WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 12, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonputer Dates!
	6:00pm Rolando: Present!
	🤖 6:01pm herb.nyc: yay, rolando has a present for mark!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:02pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Hello! Very interested in hearing about this book.
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicans!
	6:03pm ultradamno: I gather because Elon Musk assumed they had demonstrated a high tolerance for extended transphobic rants and stratospherically high levels of narcissism that a Dave Chappelle audience would be a welcoming to him, he was wrong gizmodo.com...
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark! I AM the history of computing!
	6:04pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:04pm dale: ooh. is the abacus the first computer? followed by the slide rule?
	🤖 6:05pm herb.nyc: "the history of the computer" book. at ccny where i used to work, a math prof was into logic. another prof said "well he's great at computers. theoretically". we laughed, bec this math guy was not adept at computers. (psst, i was not faculty. only the lowly staff.)
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Boxing Day in the Arbitrarium. Hey I'll get ChatGPT to spit out a few hundred limericks & Haikus.
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: maybe she'll have AI recite the poems
	6:07pm Rolando: Hear we go … poetry, knowledge and honesty on Techtonic
	6:07pm arb: and it's not even poetry month!
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: Me: write six haikus about the surveillance state ChatGPT: Hidden cameras watch our every move Privacy stripped away Big Brother looms large Eyes in the sky track our steps No place to hide from view Surveillance state grows Every action monitored Freedom fades in the face of Constant watchful eyes Our thoughts no longer our own Data harvested and used In the surveillance state The watchful gaze of power Intrudes upon our lives Leaving us feeling trapped The price of safety? Loss of liberty and privacy In the surveillance state.
	🤖 6:09pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark and everyone! I vote for the interview.
	6:09pm Mike Sin: Interview next week. “Year in review” in January.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: extra points awarded if the poetry mentions solo
	6:09pm Rolando: Year in review for me, though I always look forward to the books and authors you review. Flip a coin!
	6:09pm hear, hear: What about a call-in show next week where people share their thoughts on the biggest stories you share and others perhaps that were missed?
	🤖 6:09pm MarciB: The interview sounds good - but so does your Y-i-R...can't decide!
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: You can do the wrap-up next year. I like wrap-ups because you cover a lot of material!
	🤖 6:10pm Wendy del Formaggio: I like Mike Sin's idea, too.
	6:10pm Sam: Please do the interview! I like new material better than years in reviews, especially on this show
	6:10pm morphe': There once was a Man from Twitter .. oooppss not for the playlist
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: yes, BACKSTREETS interview.
	🤖 6:11pm MarciB: The illustrations showed here are fabulous!
	6:11pm JohnEBGood: Hi Mark, I enjoyed your show but not the reality of Big Brother providing cell phone service in The City.
	6:11pm Jackie G: these ideas arent helping. either/or ....pick one for petes sake
	6:13pm Sam: There once was a man named Mark Hurst Who made every tech bubble burst He went to the river And threw his phone thither Because surveillance is the worst
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Me:Write six limericks about the surveillance state ChatGPT: There once was a surveillance state Where every move was monitored and late Privacy was a thing of the past And freedom didn't last Now everyone lived in fear and hate The government watched from above Tracking each citizen with love No place was safe to hide From the all-seeing eye In the surveillance state, we were just a glove The cameras on every street Recorded our every feat Our every thought and deed Was tracked with speed In the surveillance state, privacy was obsolete The people lived in constant dread As their lives were carefully fed Into the data banks Where they were ranked In the surveillance state, freedom was dead The watchful gaze of power Intruded upon every hour Leaving us feeling trapped And constantly slapped In the surveillance state, liberty was a flower The price of safety and security Was the loss of privacy and liberty In the surveillance state, we were all just pawns Trapped in a never-ending cycle of surveillance drones.
	6:13pm The Butterman: Inter-view, inter-view, inter-view!
	6:13pm chris in the redwoods: i once wrote a "brief history of computing" for a CTO. my paper had no pictures. FAIL! hello, Mark and folks!
	6:14pm castor: Hi Mark! I LOVE these illustrations! I also got to see the Antikythera Mechanism in the Archeological Museum in Athens, freakin incredible.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: better be 2700 years, not thousand
	6:14pm ultradamno: By the way, Sauna Youth/Feature/Monotony veteran Jen Calleja's new novel (and third book) Vehicle about "a time when looking into the past has become a socially unacceptable and illegal act" is now available for pre-order prototypepublishing.co.uk...
	6:14pm James Akers: Lets hear the interview as a christmas show, that sounds perfect! Tales from the origin location of where some gifts come from.
	6:15pm Jackie G: year in review must include some "best of" Mark's rants
	6:17pm JohnEBGood: I like the get off google shirt ; )
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: aside - she talks about drawing. i have an ipad mini. can ya recommend a drawing app? (i usually draw on the back of used paper. thx)
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining tonight! I think we have several votes for INTERVIEW and one (or one and a half) for Y-I-R. So far, looks like it's gonna be "The Backstreets" next week.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Well, if you can get an iPad that understands Apple pencils, ProCreate is spectacular . $$$ but amazing!
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: That is, ProCreate is cheap, the hardware is $$$
	🤖 6:20pm herb.nyc: i see $$$ and im liking pencil and paper better. thx.
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: Paper is $$ these days!
	6:21pm Rolando: Looking at the show notes, creative and original !! very very nice Rachel Ignotovsky!
	6:21pm Carmichael: Hi all, late to the conspiracy.
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: oh, wnyc was celebrating the TRANSISTOR this morning. and when they said SEMICONDUCTOR carefully, i thought "SEMI?", yeah!
	6:22pm ultradamno: Is 'boyfriend level' reading lower than 'middle school'?
	6:22pm Feldy: I love her work! People are visual creatures, so visualizing things helps people's retention
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR hi hi!
	6:24pm dale: my graphite imac from 1999 still works fine. not really old in the scheme of things.
	🤖 6:24pm herb.nyc: aside - someone showed me some EDWARD TUFTE graphics, and it sure as hell helped me really SEE things.
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Her beautiful style is like the old Giant Golden Book of Math (Illustrations: Lowell Hess)
	6:24pm Jackie G: thomas , dont call me tommy
	6:24pm JohnEBGood: Too many of our politicians are middle school .......
	6:24pm Rolando: This is a great podcast episode +++ Enjoying this very much.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @Rolando thanks!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: computerhistory.org
	6:26pm Jackie G: thomas is a good, strong name
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: I still have the manual for my Geniac: en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:27pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh! I have Rachel's postcard set of "Women in Science." It's really cool. The drawings are lovely.
	6:28pm JohnEBGood: Yes, it is. Tommy can you here me??
	🤖 6:28pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Butterman! I'm going to a show with Luke on Wednesday, and maybe Friday, too. So, he's not Jack Torrance-ing out just yet...
	6:29pm Franco Twinkie: I wrote this on the back of a parking citation I got in Echo Park: There is this machine that's ruined my life all that it's called me is anguish and strife Despite all the claims it's not made things better it's so bloodless and cold I need my wool sweater Call me backwards a hopeless old crank but the monsters at facebook are the ones you can thank.
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1922: As I went walking That ribbon of highway I saw above me The endless skyway
	6:32pm Rolando: +++ Rachel Ignotovsky and Thomas Mason +++ you two are going to do good things together. (Only in your thirties) at least 50 more years ahead of you. Enjoy every minute together.
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1922: I associate the computer with IBM & the Nazi’s
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: "e-waste" - lower east side ecology resumes in january: 01/08/23 — Union Square Park 01/28/23 — Ridgewood (Rosemary’s Playground)
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1922: Nazis*
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1922: Jezus
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & all!
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: They are working on getting dev systems up an running on iPads. And sure you can wrote a book on it. Apple ships Pages with it .
	6:35pm castor: A lot of computer and tech development also was funded and directed by the Dept of Defense, specifically for military use. What sort of effect does that have on what tech is and is not created?
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: Plus: voice transcription and BLE keyboards make it easy to write on iPads.
	6:36pm castor: wealth is being stolen all the time
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: It's easy to push to a pretty rich Linux environment on an unlocked Android phone.
	6:37pm morphe': Great GI (Genuine Intelligence) Interview ..... ??? True that AI is not good with Irony, Metaphor, etc????
	6:39pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I don't think the limitation is intentional, except to the extent that it was hard enough to get a small device to do what they needed it to do to be useful for consumption, and they had no incentive to makes them any more powerful. I've tried running an IDE and compiler on fairly powerful tablet, and it was tortuously slow. It's much cheaper to make a desktop or laptop device that's better suited to development. Now, Apple's actually charging you money to be able to develop for Apple devices, _that_'s gratuitous.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Me: write an ironic statement about artificial intelligence. ChatGPT: One ironic statement about artificial intelligence is: "With the development of artificial intelligence, humans are becoming more intelligent every day." This statement is ironic because while artificial intelligence is designed to augment human intelligence, it is ultimately still a machine and does not possess the ability to truly understand or replicate human intelligence.
	🤖 6:39pm Bas NL: An app teaching the way to use paper and pen for writing would be awesome.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: I wonder where went to TRS-80 we had in high school?
	6:39pm JohnEBGood: Tools and education are available to the struggling here in the USA. You Stop the Hate by Do not Hate.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: "went the"
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1922: Good job, ChatGPT bot!
	6:40pm ?: Mark, if you're gonna do a best of, include David Sax Analog Future interview. One of your best, if not your best.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: ChatGPT can be pretty entertaining, if somewhat pedantic and dull. But you can ask it not to be pedantic and dull.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: ? - thanks! Will do if/when YIR comes about.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @Bas good point - an app called "Put Down The Phone"
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1922: Is IBM in this history book on computers?
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR definitely, IBM is in there
	6:42pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Speaking of problematic tech figures, William Shockley, "father of the transistor," was into eugenics and what not.
	6:43pm dale: 'whacky hijinx' - love those!
	6:43pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Is Dehomag mentioned? Maybe a bit grim...
	6:45pm morphe': There once was an AI device that spoke ejits followed it and went broke.. they awoke in a daze a self absorbed haze and were escorted out of society ooooppppsss not for
	6:46pm JohnEBGood: Joyful creation. Dirt. Let's hook up. I'm the Captain
	6:47pm Rolando: Reuse, Repair, Repurpose ! Joyful creation. - Preach it sister !
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: Robert Crumb worked at Hallmark.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: I restoring restoring microscopes at work. Decades old but with some basic TLC they become like new.
	6:48pm morphe': Would love to see R. Crumb Hallmark cards...
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: The DNA for Zap is there if you squint.
	6:49pm Jackie G: Rachel and Thomas, good luck in all your future endeavors. Such great energy.
	6:49pm ultradamno: R. Crumb’s lowly years cranking out cards for American Greetings dangerousminds.net...
	6:51pm ultradamno: A great horror movie could be made about people getting neuralink implants infused with the terror of 15,000 animals
	6:52pm James Akers: rachelignotofskydesign.com... soooo gooood
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Ultra. Hallmark - American Greeting SAME DAMN THING!
	6:52pm dale: no angelfood mcspades cards for hallmark?
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: Haha!
	6:53pm dale: i guess he had to rein things in.
	6:53pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: I, too, thought of Crumb…. I wonder if along the way she mentions the attempts to make automatic anti-aircraft cannons during the Second World War, I recall it as being a failure but they learned a lot about control theory. I think Norbert Wiener was involved, but I might be wrong about that.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: That was fun interview!
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1922: Yeah!
	6:54pm Count d'Al Dente: Did she do the artwork? Makes me think of Chris Ware.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1922: Holy shit!
	6:55pm dale: i saw the falcon 9 launch last week while on a beach on florida. pretty wild seeing stage one drop back down and land. followed by a huge sonic boom!
	6:56pm Jeff Moore: Since I have the obsessive need to bring any conversation around to wristwatches, I'll note that the page on the Antikythera mechanism (including the picture of the happy hard-hat diver) flash-reminded me (since there's a diving reference and the Antikythera mechanism is an elaborate perpetual calendar complication) of a recent wristwatch from Greek designers (the Ianos ΜΗΧΑΝΙΚΟΣ) which references a Greek air-pump mechanism to assist divers. www.flickr.com... https://ianoswatches.com/ianos-mihanikos
	6:56pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Nothing complicated about Elon Musk--he's simply a petty turd person.
	6:56pm JohnEBGood: I like the show Black Matter from Canada.
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: That's all!?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Mennlinn Rebarts: Hahaha, that's the most succinct description of EMusk I've read so far.
	6:57pm catherine: Elon Musk has replaced Donald Trump as media's most favorite go-to subject
	6:57pm Jackie G: Elon Musk has a very waxy face.
	6:57pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Respect for pedestrians? Take it from someone who's been hit by a car, it's non existent..
	6:57pm Count d'Al Dente: What about this yootoob mirror link?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm JohnEBGood: Dark Matter my bad!!
	6:57pm castor: Thanks Mark!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm morphe': Thanks MH and all !!!
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst and Rachel!
	6:58pm Jeff Moore: On the Musk/Twitter tip: Migration to Mastodon is in full swing. The Mastodon user count keeps rising, and there's now a vibrant and engaged community over there.
	6:58pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Mennlinn Rebarts: I disagree, I think there used to be something to him, but wealth has given him a god-complex. Similarly, Mr Chappelle used to be quite funny at times, now he's more of troll.
	6:59pm morphe': As said during O's show...the Theremin Doc is a sad/crazy Cold War story ..
	6:59pm ultradamno: I loved Block Party, but he's burned down any respect I ever had for him
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: 7,500 satellites? Why not just put up half a billion cell phone towers every kilometer across the surface of the Earth?
	🤖 7:00pm PaulRobeson1922: Beautiful! Thank you Mark and friends!
	7:00pm JohnEBGood: Happy Holidays all !!!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 12, 2022

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Rachel Ignotofsky, author and illustrator, “The History of the Computer”
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Rachel Ignotofsky and Thomas Mason	0:10:10 (Pop-up)
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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonputer Dates!
	6:00pm Rolando: Present!
	🤖 6:01pm herb.nyc: yay, rolando has a present for mark!
	🤖 6:01pm Will thee Sound Guy: Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:02pm Hopey Sockmonkey: Hello! Very interested in hearing about this book.
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicans!
	6:03pm ultradamno: I gather because Elon Musk assumed they had demonstrated a high tolerance for extended transphobic rants and stratospherically high levels of narcissism that a Dave Chappelle audience would be a welcoming to him, he was wrong gizmodo.com...
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Mark! I AM the history of computing!
	6:04pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:04pm dale: ooh. is the abacus the first computer? followed by the slide rule?
	🤖 6:05pm herb.nyc: "the history of the computer" book. at ccny where i used to work, a math prof was into logic. another prof said "well he's great at computers. theoretically". we laughed, bec this math guy was not adept at computers. (psst, i was not faculty. only the lowly staff.)
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: Boxing Day in the Arbitrarium. Hey I'll get ChatGPT to spit out a few hundred limericks & Haikus.
	🤖 6:06pm chresti: maybe she'll have AI recite the poems
	6:07pm Rolando: Hear we go … poetry, knowledge and honesty on Techtonic
	6:07pm arb: and it's not even poetry month!
	🤖 6:07pm Webhamster Henry: Me: write six haikus about the surveillance state ChatGPT: Hidden cameras watch our every move Privacy stripped away Big Brother looms large Eyes in the sky track our steps No place to hide from view Surveillance state grows Every action monitored Freedom fades in the face of Constant watchful eyes Our thoughts no longer our own Data harvested and used In the surveillance state The watchful gaze of power Intrudes upon our lives Leaving us feeling trapped The price of safety? Loss of liberty and privacy In the surveillance state.
	🤖 6:09pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Mark and everyone! I vote for the interview.
	6:09pm Mike Sin: Interview next week. “Year in review” in January.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: extra points awarded if the poetry mentions solo
	6:09pm Rolando: Year in review for me, though I always look forward to the books and authors you review. Flip a coin!
	6:09pm hear, hear: What about a call-in show next week where people share their thoughts on the biggest stories you share and others perhaps that were missed?
	🤖 6:09pm MarciB: The interview sounds good - but so does your Y-i-R...can't decide!
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: You can do the wrap-up next year. I like wrap-ups because you cover a lot of material!
	🤖 6:10pm Wendy del Formaggio: I like Mike Sin's idea, too.
	6:10pm Sam: Please do the interview! I like new material better than years in reviews, especially on this show
	6:10pm morphe': There once was a Man from Twitter .. oooppss not for the playlist
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: yes, BACKSTREETS interview.
	🤖 6:11pm MarciB: The illustrations showed here are fabulous!
	6:11pm JohnEBGood: Hi Mark, I enjoyed your show but not the reality of Big Brother providing cell phone service in The City.
	6:11pm Jackie G: these ideas arent helping. either/or ....pick one for petes sake
	6:13pm Sam: There once was a man named Mark Hurst Who made every tech bubble burst He went to the river And threw his phone thither Because surveillance is the worst
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Me:Write six limericks about the surveillance state ChatGPT: There once was a surveillance state Where every move was monitored and late Privacy was a thing of the past And freedom didn't last Now everyone lived in fear and hate The government watched from above Tracking each citizen with love No place was safe to hide From the all-seeing eye In the surveillance state, we were just a glove The cameras on every street Recorded our every feat Our every thought and deed Was tracked with speed In the surveillance state, privacy was obsolete The people lived in constant dread As their lives were carefully fed Into the data banks Where they were ranked In the surveillance state, freedom was dead The watchful gaze of power Intruded upon every hour Leaving us feeling trapped And constantly slapped In the surveillance state, liberty was a flower The price of safety and security Was the loss of privacy and liberty In the surveillance state, we were all just pawns Trapped in a never-ending cycle of surveillance drones.
	6:13pm The Butterman: Inter-view, inter-view, inter-view!
	6:13pm chris in the redwoods: i once wrote a "brief history of computing" for a CTO. my paper had no pictures. FAIL! hello, Mark and folks!
	6:14pm castor: Hi Mark! I LOVE these illustrations! I also got to see the Antikythera Mechanism in the Archeological Museum in Athens, freakin incredible.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: better be 2700 years, not thousand
	6:14pm ultradamno: By the way, Sauna Youth/Feature/Monotony veteran Jen Calleja's new novel (and third book) Vehicle about "a time when looking into the past has become a socially unacceptable and illegal act" is now available for pre-order prototypepublishing.co.uk...
	6:14pm James Akers: Lets hear the interview as a christmas show, that sounds perfect! Tales from the origin location of where some gifts come from.
	6:15pm Jackie G: year in review must include some "best of" Mark's rants
	6:17pm JohnEBGood: I like the get off google shirt ; )
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: aside - she talks about drawing. i have an ipad mini. can ya recommend a drawing app? (i usually draw on the back of used paper. thx)
	6:17pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining tonight! I think we have several votes for INTERVIEW and one (or one and a half) for Y-I-R. So far, looks like it's gonna be "The Backstreets" next week.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: Well, if you can get an iPad that understands Apple pencils, ProCreate is spectacular . $$$ but amazing!
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: That is, ProCreate is cheap, the hardware is $$$
	🤖 6:20pm herb.nyc: i see $$$ and im liking pencil and paper better. thx.
	🤖 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: Paper is $$ these days!
	6:21pm Rolando: Looking at the show notes, creative and original !! very very nice Rachel Ignotovsky!
	6:21pm Carmichael: Hi all, late to the conspiracy.
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: oh, wnyc was celebrating the TRANSISTOR this morning. and when they said SEMICONDUCTOR carefully, i thought "SEMI?", yeah!
	6:22pm ultradamno: Is 'boyfriend level' reading lower than 'middle school'?
	6:22pm Feldy: I love her work! People are visual creatures, so visualizing things helps people's retention
	🤖 6:23pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Hi Hi
	6:23pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR hi hi!
	6:24pm dale: my graphite imac from 1999 still works fine. not really old in the scheme of things.
	🤖 6:24pm herb.nyc: aside - someone showed me some EDWARD TUFTE graphics, and it sure as hell helped me really SEE things.
	🤖 6:24pm Webhamster Henry: Her beautiful style is like the old Giant Golden Book of Math (Illustrations: Lowell Hess)
	6:24pm Jackie G: thomas , dont call me tommy
	6:24pm JohnEBGood: Too many of our politicians are middle school .......
	6:24pm Rolando: This is a great podcast episode +++ Enjoying this very much.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: @Rolando thanks!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: computerhistory.org
	6:26pm Jackie G: thomas is a good, strong name
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: I still have the manual for my Geniac: en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:27pm Wendy del Formaggio: Oh! I have Rachel's postcard set of "Women in Science." It's really cool. The drawings are lovely.
	6:28pm JohnEBGood: Yes, it is. Tommy can you here me??
	🤖 6:28pm Wendy del Formaggio: Hi Butterman! I'm going to a show with Luke on Wednesday, and maybe Friday, too. So, he's not Jack Torrance-ing out just yet...
	6:29pm Franco Twinkie: I wrote this on the back of a parking citation I got in Echo Park: There is this machine that's ruined my life all that it's called me is anguish and strife Despite all the claims it's not made things better it's so bloodless and cold I need my wool sweater Call me backwards a hopeless old crank but the monsters at facebook are the ones you can thank.
	🤖 6:31pm PaulRobeson1922: As I went walking That ribbon of highway I saw above me The endless skyway
	6:32pm Rolando: +++ Rachel Ignotovsky and Thomas Mason +++ you two are going to do good things together. (Only in your thirties) at least 50 more years ahead of you. Enjoy every minute together.
	🤖 6:32pm PaulRobeson1922: I associate the computer with IBM & the Nazi’s
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: "e-waste" - lower east side ecology resumes in january: 01/08/23 — Union Square Park 01/28/23 — Ridgewood (Rosemary’s Playground)
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1922: Nazis*
	🤖 6:34pm PaulRobeson1922: Jezus
	🤖 6:34pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & all!
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: They are working on getting dev systems up an running on iPads. And sure you can wrote a book on it. Apple ships Pages with it .
	6:35pm castor: A lot of computer and tech development also was funded and directed by the Dept of Defense, specifically for military use. What sort of effect does that have on what tech is and is not created?
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: Plus: voice transcription and BLE keyboards make it easy to write on iPads.
	6:36pm castor: wealth is being stolen all the time
	6:37pm Jeff Moore: It's easy to push to a pretty rich Linux environment on an unlocked Android phone.
	6:37pm morphe': Great GI (Genuine Intelligence) Interview ..... ??? True that AI is not good with Irony, Metaphor, etc????
	6:39pm (Murakami Whywolf))): I don't think the limitation is intentional, except to the extent that it was hard enough to get a small device to do what they needed it to do to be useful for consumption, and they had no incentive to makes them any more powerful. I've tried running an IDE and compiler on fairly powerful tablet, and it was tortuously slow. It's much cheaper to make a desktop or laptop device that's better suited to development. Now, Apple's actually charging you money to be able to develop for Apple devices, _that_'s gratuitous.
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: Me: write an ironic statement about artificial intelligence. ChatGPT: One ironic statement about artificial intelligence is: "With the development of artificial intelligence, humans are becoming more intelligent every day." This statement is ironic because while artificial intelligence is designed to augment human intelligence, it is ultimately still a machine and does not possess the ability to truly understand or replicate human intelligence.
	🤖 6:39pm Bas NL: An app teaching the way to use paper and pen for writing would be awesome.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: I wonder where went to TRS-80 we had in high school?
	6:39pm JohnEBGood: Tools and education are available to the struggling here in the USA. You Stop the Hate by Do not Hate.
	🤖 6:39pm Ken From Hyde Park: "went the"
	🤖 6:39pm PaulRobeson1922: Good job, ChatGPT bot!
	6:40pm ?: Mark, if you're gonna do a best of, include David Sax Analog Future interview. One of your best, if not your best.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: ChatGPT can be pretty entertaining, if somewhat pedantic and dull. But you can ask it not to be pedantic and dull.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: ? - thanks! Will do if/when YIR comes about.
	6:41pm Mark Hurst: @Bas good point - an app called "Put Down The Phone"
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1922: Is IBM in this history book on computers?
	6:42pm Mark Hurst: @PaulR definitely, IBM is in there
	6:42pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Speaking of problematic tech figures, William Shockley, "father of the transistor," was into eugenics and what not.
	6:43pm dale: 'whacky hijinx' - love those!
	6:43pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Is Dehomag mentioned? Maybe a bit grim...
	6:45pm morphe': There once was an AI device that spoke ejits followed it and went broke.. they awoke in a daze a self absorbed haze and were escorted out of society ooooppppsss not for
	6:46pm JohnEBGood: Joyful creation. Dirt. Let's hook up. I'm the Captain
	6:47pm Rolando: Reuse, Repair, Repurpose ! Joyful creation. - Preach it sister !
	6:47pm Franco Twinkie: Robert Crumb worked at Hallmark.
	🤖 6:48pm Bas NL: I restoring restoring microscopes at work. Decades old but with some basic TLC they become like new.
	6:48pm morphe': Would love to see R. Crumb Hallmark cards...
	6:49pm Franco Twinkie: The DNA for Zap is there if you squint.
	6:49pm Jackie G: Rachel and Thomas, good luck in all your future endeavors. Such great energy.
	6:49pm ultradamno: R. Crumb’s lowly years cranking out cards for American Greetings dangerousminds.net...
	6:51pm ultradamno: A great horror movie could be made about people getting neuralink implants infused with the terror of 15,000 animals
	6:52pm James Akers: rachelignotofskydesign.com... soooo gooood
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: Thanks Ultra. Hallmark - American Greeting SAME DAMN THING!
	6:52pm dale: no angelfood mcspades cards for hallmark?
	6:52pm Franco Twinkie: Haha!
	6:53pm dale: i guess he had to rein things in.
	6:53pm (((Murakami Whywolf): ultradamno: I, too, thought of Crumb…. I wonder if along the way she mentions the attempts to make automatic anti-aircraft cannons during the Second World War, I recall it as being a failure but they learned a lot about control theory. I think Norbert Wiener was involved, but I might be wrong about that.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: That was fun interview!
	🤖 6:54pm PaulRobeson1922: Yeah!
	6:54pm Count d'Al Dente: Did she do the artwork? Makes me think of Chris Ware.
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1922: Holy shit!
	6:55pm dale: i saw the falcon 9 launch last week while on a beach on florida. pretty wild seeing stage one drop back down and land. followed by a huge sonic boom!
	6:56pm Jeff Moore: Since I have the obsessive need to bring any conversation around to wristwatches, I'll note that the page on the Antikythera mechanism (including the picture of the happy hard-hat diver) flash-reminded me (since there's a diving reference and the Antikythera mechanism is an elaborate perpetual calendar complication) of a recent wristwatch from Greek designers (the Ianos ΜΗΧΑΝΙΚΟΣ) which references a Greek air-pump mechanism to assist divers. www.flickr.com... https://ianoswatches.com/ianos-mihanikos
	6:56pm Mennlinn Rebarts: Nothing complicated about Elon Musk--he's simply a petty turd person.
	6:56pm JohnEBGood: I like the show Black Matter from Canada.
	6:57pm Franco Twinkie: That's all!?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Mennlinn Rebarts: Hahaha, that's the most succinct description of EMusk I've read so far.
	6:57pm catherine: Elon Musk has replaced Donald Trump as media's most favorite go-to subject
	6:57pm Jackie G: Elon Musk has a very waxy face.
	6:57pm Peter from Boonton formerly Dover NJ: Respect for pedestrians? Take it from someone who's been hit by a car, it's non existent..
	6:57pm Count d'Al Dente: What about this yootoob mirror link?
	🤖 6:57pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm JohnEBGood: Dark Matter my bad!!
	6:57pm castor: Thanks Mark!!!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm morphe': Thanks MH and all !!!
	🤖 6:58pm Will thee Sound Guy: Thank you Mark Hurst and Rachel!
	6:58pm Jeff Moore: On the Musk/Twitter tip: Migration to Mastodon is in full swing. The Mastodon user count keeps rising, and there's now a vibrant and engaged community over there.
	6:58pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Mennlinn Rebarts: I disagree, I think there used to be something to him, but wealth has given him a god-complex. Similarly, Mr Chappelle used to be quite funny at times, now he's more of troll.
	6:59pm morphe': As said during O's show...the Theremin Doc is a sad/crazy Cold War story ..
	6:59pm ultradamno: I loved Block Party, but he's burned down any respect I ever had for him
	🤖 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: 7,500 satellites? Why not just put up half a billion cell phone towers every kilometer across the surface of the Earth?
	🤖 7:00pm PaulRobeson1922: Beautiful! Thank you Mark and friends!
	7:00pm JohnEBGood: Happy Holidays all !!!

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