WFMU: Observations of Deviance with David Mittleman: Playlist from February 7, 2023

Listener comments!
	7:03pm Observations: We are live!
	7:06pm Observations: It’s a Jimmy Giuffre Jubilee!!
	7:06pm Observations: 🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷
	🥁 ♥ 7:12pm WR: Hi, That 1952 big band Big Boy certainly took me by surprise. Is it really Deviance I'm listening to, I wondered. And arrived here to find it is. Great context.
	🥁 ♥ 7:17pm doctorjazz: Giuffre fan here, looking forward to this!
	7:29pm Dean: Love, love, love Giuffre. That ECM double CD reissue is a gem.
	🥁 ♥ 7:33pm doctorjazz: Speaking of love, I'm LOVING this chocolate babka from Breads in NYC!
	🥁 ♥ 7:35pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Drive" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3 & 4" Pretty amazing he was able to go from cool West Coast jazz to this kind of free improv (recorded the day after my birthday that year).
	7:41pm Listener Gregory: Good evening, deevs!
	🥁 ♥ 7:43pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:29 I have most of my Guiffre recordings on vinyl-is the 2 CD set you're referring to called Jimmy Guiffre 3, 1961? That's the only one I have on CD (great album)!
	🥁 ♥ 7:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Voodoo" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Early Jim Hall, these are great! Giuffre pulling away from West Coast Jazz (but still in it).
	🥁 ♥ 7:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:41 Hey LG!
	7:45pm Dean: Yes, doctorjazz. There's also interesting stuff on the hat offshoot ezz-thetics.
	7:46pm Dean: 1961 is a reissue of Fusion and Thesis.
	🥁 ♥ 7:47pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:46 That's the one. (haven't listened to it in a long time, due for some playing time).
	🥁 ♥ 7:50pm WR: ↳ Song: "Two For Timbuctu" by "The Jimmy Giuffre Quartet" This is another side of Jim Giuffre I don't remember. Burning. according to discogs: Bass – Buell Neidlinger Clarinet, Tenor Saxophone – Jimmy Giuffre Drums – Billy Osborne Guitar – Jim Hall
	🥁 ♥ 7:52pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Me Too" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Speaking of the devil...Paul Bley, piano, Steve Swallow, bass (still playing a stand up back then)
	🥁 ♥ 7:53pm Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @7:44 Hola, @doctorj! This is something.
	7:53pm Dean: There are at least a couple recordings on Owl featuring the same trio with Swallow on electric bass.
	🥁 ♥ 7:55pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @7:53 I have those Owl recordings. They got heavy rotation at my house when they came out.
	🥁 ♥ 7:58pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:53 Don't have the Owl recordings, likely didn't give a Hoot when they came out...
	8:05pm Listener Gregory: The high tone of these comments is always reassuring.
	8:10pm Dean: I wisely acquired those Owl discs.
	8:14pm Listener Gregory: Some listeners felt their recordings were just screeches and tossed them in the barn. No accounting for taste.
	8:15pm Listener Gregory: Topsy is a Count Basie hit, no?
	🥁 ♥ 8:18pm doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:15 Yup! www.youtube.com...
	🥁 ♥ 8:20pm doctorjazz: Strikes me as unusual that ECM reissued Verve recordings of Giuffre-I don't think of them as a reissue label (they do repackage their own artists and reissue, but I haven't seen them reissue other labels).
	🥁 ♥ 8:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Deep Purple" by "Jimmy Giuffre" Very cool track!
	8:24pm Doug Schulkind: Double Jimmy!
	🥁 ♥ 8:25pm doctorjazz: Jimmy Rowles, celesta (checked it on Doscogs). Lovely sound!
	8:29pm Dean: ezz-thetics recently "revisited" Free Fall. I think it's just a remastering, but I could be wrong.
	🥁 ♥ 8:31pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Five Ways" by "Jimmy Giuffre" I have a Columbia "2 eye" of this, in stereo.
	8:34pm Listener Gregory: @doctorj, maybe the Verve recordings were never fully released?
	🥁 ♥ 8:36pm doctorjazz: Not sure, LG, David played from one of the 2 albums on the ECM CD set, Fusion, from his 1961 Verve mono LP (show off...😉)
	🥁 ♥ 8:37pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Five Ways" by "Jimmy Giuffre" Also Paul Bley and Steve Swallow here.
	8:41pm Listener Gregory: Ah, Giuffre’s famous fusion period!
	8:42pm Dean: Thesis and Fusion were both issued on LP in 1961, no question. From the ECM liner notes: "[T]he Giuffre/Bley/Swallow trio was a formative influence on Manfred Eicher's musical thinking.... "Over two decades, ECM has documented much of the music of Paul and Carla Bley and Teve Swallow... Now this important reissue pays tribute to the man who gave impetus to all their careers."
	8:43pm Dean: ^Steve, duh
	🥁 ♥ 8:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @8:42 It's great to have someone who actually READS the information available!
	🥁 ♥ 8:46pm doctorjazz: Black Saint/Soul Note released much of it's catalog about 10 years ago on "complete..." CD box sets. I got a few of them, missed the Guiffre, though (many of them are still floating around at decent prices).
	8:47pm Dean: I'm a fan of liner notes, and I think they deserve credit where due as sources of knowledge and scholarship. Perhaps the best example is Graham Johnson's compilation into a scholarly book of hundreds of pages of notes he wrote for the complete Schubert lieder series he directed for Hyperion.
	🥁 ♥ 8:47pm doctorjazz: Wonderful Jubilee! Have to cut out for now, will definitely have to catch the rest in the archives! Thanks, David! Laters, all!
	8:47pm Listener Gregory: @Dean, Teve has been unfairly neglected. Interesting about Eicher.
	🥁 ♥ 8:49pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @8:42 The sound/music of Guiffre in the 60s could definitely be seen as a template for the ECM "sound".
	8:49pm Dean: The notes discuss how the sound was perceived as "soft" and, accordingly, derided.
	8:52pm Listener Gregory: So long, @doctorj!
	8:52pm Observations: Good article- www.nytimes.com...
	🥁 ♥ 8:57pm WR: ↳ Dean @8:42 thanks for that bit of info Dean. Makes sense, nice that they put it in print.
	9:10pm Listener Gregory: You have to give credit to Giuffre for not spending a lot of time thinking up names for his groups.
	♥ 9:10pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @8:47 I've always read all liner notes of all releases I've bought. I've even cited liner notes in academic settings for non-musical topics (I believe it was grad paper on immigration movements)
	♥ 9:11pm northguineahills: to not read liner notes, is a waste of a resource (I read the poetry and other musings as well that are included)
	9:11pm Dean: And rightly so, ngh! In law school I wandered over to the Rhetoric Dep't where I wrote a paper about liner notes.
	♥ 9:12pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @9:11 I would like to read that!
	9:13pm Observations: Five different sax players on Cork ‘n’ Bib
	9:16pm Dean: If I can find it... This was 2003 or so? It was a course on materiality in Early Modern Europe. I wrote about late 20th century early musical reconstructions of important historical events. Liner notes both provide knowledge, e.g., about playing practices, but also promoted a kind of verisimilitude designed to enhance the listener's experience of a long vanished episode.
	9:17pm Dean: And speaking of poetry, I have to bow out to attend a poetry workshop I'm taking. Coincidentally, the poem I will workshop tonight mentions Gothic cathedrals!
	🥁 ♥ 9:19pm WR: ↳ Dean @9:17 laters Dean.
	9:21pm Observations: "The house where Jimmy [Guiffre] and his first wife lived with their pet cheetah." jazztimes.com...
	9:24pm Listener Gregory: I have always read liner notes, but I find that many reissues are rather oppressive with their many-paged booklets. Every time I get a new record by an artist, I don’t feel I need to read a long appreciation of their work. Positive blurbs by other musicians aren’t always very insightful either. Good liner notes are not that easy to write.
	9:24pm Listener Gregory: In my humble opinion!!!!
	♥ 9:26pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @9:17 write on!
	9:31pm Listener Gregory: I only have one brother and have always found that to be sufficient.
	🥁 ♥ 9:31pm WR: ↳ Observations @8:52 Just finished reading the Times article. From 2014. Interesting insights. When I was making my initial self education exploration into jazz in 70-72 I got pretty much any Jimmy Giuffre LP I could find at reasonable price. I remember some on Atlantic. Wish I had access to my LPs to see what I have. Only remember a couple for sure.
	🥁 ♥ 9:33pm WR: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:31 I have (had) four brothers. Adds variety and also you can step back and let them fight among themselves.
	🥁 ♥ 9:35pm WR: ↳ Observations @8:52 Another plus about that NY Times article you linked is the phot of Carla Bley, Paul Bley, Steve Swallow, Jimmy Giuffre and Juanita Giuffre. Amazing.
	♥ 9:37pm northguineahills: I only got into Giuffre when I asked my grandmother to bring me some of my grandfather's records in '96. Unfortunately, his record collection ended in the 50s...
	9:41pm Listener Gregory: @WR, sometimes you can stand back and let them fight amongst themselves, but sometimes one of them stands back to let you fight with the others. However, I imagine that a big family can be fun.
	♥ 9:47pm northguineahills: ↳ WR @9:33 I have two younger identical twin brothers. They are the exact opposite of me in most ways (and more like my parents). I always allowed (and when I was young, encouraged) them to fight amongst themselves...
	9:53pm Listener Gregory: Gotta go a bit early. David, I enjoyed this far more than I would have enjoyed the State of the Union address. On behalf of this great country, I thank you! I am pleased to report that the state of Deviance is strong!
	🥁 ♥ 9:55pm WR: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:41 Yeah, or when their lawyer makes threatening phone calls.
	♥ 9:58pm northguineahills: thanks, david!
	🥁 ♥ 9:59pm WR: Great episode! David! So much I had not heard before, by an artist I thought I knew. Thank you! Thank you!
	10:01pm Observations: thank you one and all. I'll be here next week!

Observations of Deviance with David Mittleman: Playlist from February 7, 2023

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time

The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Ictus "Ictus" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	Thesis	Verve	1961		0:02:47 (Pop-up)
Jim Giuffre And His Orchestra	Big Boy Pt. 1	Big Boy (Part 1 & Part 2)	Modern	1952	10", 78 RPM	0:05:07 (Pop-up)
Giuffre / Konitz / Connors / Bley	Blues In The Closet	IAI Festival	IAI	1978	Guiffre & Konitz duo	0:08:33 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	On inventing his own sound	Jazz Clarinetist Jimmy Giuffre: A Look Back	N/A	1994	https://www.npr.org/2008/04/28/90004452/jazz-clarinetist-jimmy-giuffre-a-look-back	0:13:42 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Mobiles - Movement 1	Piece For Clarinet And String Orchestra / Mobiles	Verve	1961		0:14:29 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Flight "Flight" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	Flight, Bremen 1961	hat ART	1992	recorded November 23, 1961 at Sendesaal Radio Bremen / Germany	0:15:32 (Pop-up)
Howard Rumsey's Lighthouse All-Stars	Four Others	Sunday Jazz A La Lighthouse, Vol. 1	Contemporary	1953	Composed by and featuring Jimmy Giuffre, mono	0:21:09 (Pop-up)

Jimmy Giuffre	Four Brothers "Four Brothers" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	The Four Brothers Sound	Atlantic	1959		0:30:09 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3 & 4	Drive "Drive" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3 & 4"	New York Concerts	Elemental	2014	recorded at Wollman Auditorium at Columbia University, New York City, May 19, 1965; Don Friedman, Barre Phillips, Joe Chambers	0:33:29 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Voodoo "Voodoo" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Atlantic	1957	mono	0:41:36 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre Quartet	Two For Timbuctu	In Person	Verve	1960	live at the Five Spot Café, New York, August 1960	0:44:27 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Me Too "Me Too" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	1961	ECM	1992		0:51:24 (Pop-up)

Jimmy Giuffre	Dervish "Dervish" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	Music For People, Birds Butterflies & Mosquitoes	Choice	1973		0:59:15 (Pop-up)
Karl Berger	On Jimmy Giuffre "On Jimmy Giuffre" by "Karl Berger"	Creative Music Studio Benefit Concert - 1977-01-15, The Church of the Covenant, Boston, MA	No Label	1977	https://youtu.be/KfMWLCvlDzs	1:02:43 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Mobiles - Movement 4	Piece For Clarinet And String Orchestra / Mobiles	Verve	1961		1:03:32 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Topsy "Topsy" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	Western Suite	Atlantic	1960		1:05:02 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Cry, Want "Cry, Want" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	Fusion	Verve	1961	mono	1:16:26 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Deep Purple "Deep Purple" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	The Jimmy Giuffre Clarinet	Atlantic	1956	mono	1:21:35 (Pop-up)

Jimmy Giuffre	The Five Ways "The Five Ways" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	Free Fall	Columbia	1963	mono	1:29:16 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 4	Dragonfly "Dragonfly" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 4"	Dragonfly	Soul Note	1983		1:39:35 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Four Brothers	Hollywood & Newport 1957-1958	Fresh Sounds	1992	recorded Live at Stars of Jazz, KABC TV, Hollywood, January 7, 1957	1:44:46 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Mobiles - Movement 3	Piece For Clarinet And String Orchestra / Mobiles	Verve	1961		1:47:24 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Scootin' About	Graz Live 1961	ezz-thetics REVISITED by Hat Hut	2021	recorded live October 27, 1961 (at Großer Saal der Arbeiterkammer) by ORF Graz	1:48:13 (Pop-up)

Sonny Stitt	Uptown "Uptown" by "Sonny Stitt"	Plays Jimmy Giuffre Arrangements	Verve	1959	featuring Jimmy Giuffre, mono	1:57:43 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Sonic "Sonic" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	Thesis	Verve	1961		2:03:02 (Pop-up)
Carla Bley and Steve Swallow	On The Jimmy Giuffre 3	ECM50 \| 1961 Carla Bley and Steve Swallow on Jimmy Giuffre 3	N/A	2021	https://youtu.be/DKxACz7B0IM	2:07:44 (Pop-up)
Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre	Cork 'N' Bib	Lee Konitz Meets Jimmy Giuffre	Verve	1959		2:09:53 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	Whirrrr "Whirrrr" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3"	Emphasis, Stuttgart 1961	hat ART	1993	recorded November 7, 1961 at Mozartsaal, Liederhalle Stuttgart / Germany	2:19:43 (Pop-up)

Jimmy Giuffre	Four Brothers "Four Brothers" by "Jimmy Giuffre"	Jimmy Giuffre	Capitol	1955		2:27:20 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3 & 4	Syncopate	New York Concerts	Elemental	2014	recorded at Judson Hall, New York City, September 3, 1965; Joe Chambers, Richard Davis	2:30:43 (Pop-up)
The Jimmy Giuffre 3	The Swamp People	Trav'lin' Light	Atlantic	1958	mono	2:38:58 (Pop-up)
Jimmy Giuffre	Mobiles - Movement 2	Piece For Clarinet And String Orchestra / Mobiles	Verve	1961		2:44:20 (Pop-up)
Creative Music Studio Workshop Ensemble	Untitled	Creative Music Studio Benefit Concert - 1977-01-15, The Church of the Covenant, Boston, MA	No Label	1977	https://youtu.be/KfMWLCvlDzs; Jimmy Giuffre, Ingrid, Karl Berger, Ed Blackwell, Patty Price	2:45:54 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	7:03pm Observations: We are live!
	7:06pm Observations: It’s a Jimmy Giuffre Jubilee!!
	7:06pm Observations: 🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷🎷
	🥁 ♥ 7:12pm WR: Hi, That 1952 big band Big Boy certainly took me by surprise. Is it really Deviance I'm listening to, I wondered. And arrived here to find it is. Great context.
	🥁 ♥ 7:17pm doctorjazz: Giuffre fan here, looking forward to this!
	7:29pm Dean: Love, love, love Giuffre. That ECM double CD reissue is a gem.
	🥁 ♥ 7:33pm doctorjazz: Speaking of love, I'm LOVING this chocolate babka from Breads in NYC!
	🥁 ♥ 7:35pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Drive" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3 & 4" Pretty amazing he was able to go from cool West Coast jazz to this kind of free improv (recorded the day after my birthday that year).
	7:41pm Listener Gregory: Good evening, deevs!
	🥁 ♥ 7:43pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:29 I have most of my Guiffre recordings on vinyl-is the 2 CD set you're referring to called Jimmy Guiffre 3, 1961? That's the only one I have on CD (great album)!
	🥁 ♥ 7:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Voodoo" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Early Jim Hall, these are great! Giuffre pulling away from West Coast Jazz (but still in it).
	🥁 ♥ 7:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:41 Hey LG!
	7:45pm Dean: Yes, doctorjazz. There's also interesting stuff on the hat offshoot ezz-thetics.
	7:46pm Dean: 1961 is a reissue of Fusion and Thesis.
	🥁 ♥ 7:47pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:46 That's the one. (haven't listened to it in a long time, due for some playing time).
	🥁 ♥ 7:50pm WR: ↳ Song: "Two For Timbuctu" by "The Jimmy Giuffre Quartet" This is another side of Jim Giuffre I don't remember. Burning. according to discogs: Bass – Buell Neidlinger Clarinet, Tenor Saxophone – Jimmy Giuffre Drums – Billy Osborne Guitar – Jim Hall
	🥁 ♥ 7:52pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Me Too" by "The Jimmy Giuffre 3" Speaking of the devil...Paul Bley, piano, Steve Swallow, bass (still playing a stand up back then)
	🥁 ♥ 7:53pm Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @7:44 Hola, @doctorj! This is something.
	7:53pm Dean: There are at least a couple recordings on Owl featuring the same trio with Swallow on electric bass.
	🥁 ♥ 7:55pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @7:53 I have those Owl recordings. They got heavy rotation at my house when they came out.
	🥁 ♥ 7:58pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @7:53 Don't have the Owl recordings, likely didn't give a Hoot when they came out...
	8:05pm Listener Gregory: The high tone of these comments is always reassuring.
	8:10pm Dean: I wisely acquired those Owl discs.
	8:14pm Listener Gregory: Some listeners felt their recordings were just screeches and tossed them in the barn. No accounting for taste.
	8:15pm Listener Gregory: Topsy is a Count Basie hit, no?
	🥁 ♥ 8:18pm doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:15 Yup! www.youtube.com...
	🥁 ♥ 8:20pm doctorjazz: Strikes me as unusual that ECM reissued Verve recordings of Giuffre-I don't think of them as a reissue label (they do repackage their own artists and reissue, but I haven't seen them reissue other labels).
	🥁 ♥ 8:24pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Deep Purple" by "Jimmy Giuffre" Very cool track!
	8:24pm Doug Schulkind: Double Jimmy!
	🥁 ♥ 8:25pm doctorjazz: Jimmy Rowles, celesta (checked it on Doscogs). Lovely sound!
	8:29pm Dean: ezz-thetics recently "revisited" Free Fall. I think it's just a remastering, but I could be wrong.
	🥁 ♥ 8:31pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Five Ways" by "Jimmy Giuffre" I have a Columbia "2 eye" of this, in stereo.
	8:34pm Listener Gregory: @doctorj, maybe the Verve recordings were never fully released?
	🥁 ♥ 8:36pm doctorjazz: Not sure, LG, David played from one of the 2 albums on the ECM CD set, Fusion, from his 1961 Verve mono LP (show off...😉)
	🥁 ♥ 8:37pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Five Ways" by "Jimmy Giuffre" Also Paul Bley and Steve Swallow here.
	8:41pm Listener Gregory: Ah, Giuffre’s famous fusion period!
	8:42pm Dean: Thesis and Fusion were both issued on LP in 1961, no question. From the ECM liner notes: "[T]he Giuffre/Bley/Swallow trio was a formative influence on Manfred Eicher's musical thinking.... "Over two decades, ECM has documented much of the music of Paul and Carla Bley and Teve Swallow... Now this important reissue pays tribute to the man who gave impetus to all their careers."
	8:43pm Dean: ^Steve, duh
	🥁 ♥ 8:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @8:42 It's great to have someone who actually READS the information available!
	🥁 ♥ 8:46pm doctorjazz: Black Saint/Soul Note released much of it's catalog about 10 years ago on "complete..." CD box sets. I got a few of them, missed the Guiffre, though (many of them are still floating around at decent prices).
	8:47pm Dean: I'm a fan of liner notes, and I think they deserve credit where due as sources of knowledge and scholarship. Perhaps the best example is Graham Johnson's compilation into a scholarly book of hundreds of pages of notes he wrote for the complete Schubert lieder series he directed for Hyperion.
	🥁 ♥ 8:47pm doctorjazz: Wonderful Jubilee! Have to cut out for now, will definitely have to catch the rest in the archives! Thanks, David! Laters, all!
	8:47pm Listener Gregory: @Dean, Teve has been unfairly neglected. Interesting about Eicher.
	🥁 ♥ 8:49pm doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @8:42 The sound/music of Guiffre in the 60s could definitely be seen as a template for the ECM "sound".
	8:49pm Dean: The notes discuss how the sound was perceived as "soft" and, accordingly, derided.
	8:52pm Listener Gregory: So long, @doctorj!
	8:52pm Observations: Good article- www.nytimes.com...
	🥁 ♥ 8:57pm WR: ↳ Dean @8:42 thanks for that bit of info Dean. Makes sense, nice that they put it in print.
	9:10pm Listener Gregory: You have to give credit to Giuffre for not spending a lot of time thinking up names for his groups.
	♥ 9:10pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @8:47 I've always read all liner notes of all releases I've bought. I've even cited liner notes in academic settings for non-musical topics (I believe it was grad paper on immigration movements)
	♥ 9:11pm northguineahills: to not read liner notes, is a waste of a resource (I read the poetry and other musings as well that are included)
	9:11pm Dean: And rightly so, ngh! In law school I wandered over to the Rhetoric Dep't where I wrote a paper about liner notes.
	♥ 9:12pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @9:11 I would like to read that!
	9:13pm Observations: Five different sax players on Cork ‘n’ Bib
	9:16pm Dean: If I can find it... This was 2003 or so? It was a course on materiality in Early Modern Europe. I wrote about late 20th century early musical reconstructions of important historical events. Liner notes both provide knowledge, e.g., about playing practices, but also promoted a kind of verisimilitude designed to enhance the listener's experience of a long vanished episode.
	9:17pm Dean: And speaking of poetry, I have to bow out to attend a poetry workshop I'm taking. Coincidentally, the poem I will workshop tonight mentions Gothic cathedrals!
	🥁 ♥ 9:19pm WR: ↳ Dean @9:17 laters Dean.
	9:21pm Observations: "The house where Jimmy [Guiffre] and his first wife lived with their pet cheetah." jazztimes.com...
	9:24pm Listener Gregory: I have always read liner notes, but I find that many reissues are rather oppressive with their many-paged booklets. Every time I get a new record by an artist, I don’t feel I need to read a long appreciation of their work. Positive blurbs by other musicians aren’t always very insightful either. Good liner notes are not that easy to write.
	9:24pm Listener Gregory: In my humble opinion!!!!
	♥ 9:26pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @9:17 write on!
	9:31pm Listener Gregory: I only have one brother and have always found that to be sufficient.
	🥁 ♥ 9:31pm WR: ↳ Observations @8:52 Just finished reading the Times article. From 2014. Interesting insights. When I was making my initial self education exploration into jazz in 70-72 I got pretty much any Jimmy Giuffre LP I could find at reasonable price. I remember some on Atlantic. Wish I had access to my LPs to see what I have. Only remember a couple for sure.
	🥁 ♥ 9:33pm WR: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:31 I have (had) four brothers. Adds variety and also you can step back and let them fight among themselves.
	🥁 ♥ 9:35pm WR: ↳ Observations @8:52 Another plus about that NY Times article you linked is the phot of Carla Bley, Paul Bley, Steve Swallow, Jimmy Giuffre and Juanita Giuffre. Amazing.
	♥ 9:37pm northguineahills: I only got into Giuffre when I asked my grandmother to bring me some of my grandfather's records in '96. Unfortunately, his record collection ended in the 50s...
	9:41pm Listener Gregory: @WR, sometimes you can stand back and let them fight amongst themselves, but sometimes one of them stands back to let you fight with the others. However, I imagine that a big family can be fun.
	♥ 9:47pm northguineahills: ↳ WR @9:33 I have two younger identical twin brothers. They are the exact opposite of me in most ways (and more like my parents). I always allowed (and when I was young, encouraged) them to fight amongst themselves...
	9:53pm Listener Gregory: Gotta go a bit early. David, I enjoyed this far more than I would have enjoyed the State of the Union address. On behalf of this great country, I thank you! I am pleased to report that the state of Deviance is strong!
	🥁 ♥ 9:55pm WR: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:41 Yeah, or when their lawyer makes threatening phone calls.
	♥ 9:58pm northguineahills: thanks, david!
	🥁 ♥ 9:59pm WR: Great episode! David! So much I had not heard before, by an artist I thought I knew. Thank you! Thank you!
	10:01pm Observations: thank you one and all. I'll be here next week!

Observations of Deviance with David Mittleman: Playlist from February 7, 2023

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