WFMU: Currents with Brian D: Playlist from May 7, 2023

Listener comments!
	3:02am Pablexa™: Morning
	3:02am T GRavel: hell yeah! CURRRENTS! hey brian
	⚡ 3:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning brian, all
	⚡ 3:04am tom tom the pipers son: we are workers, fuck... what?
	3:04am Brian D: Hi everyone! (No, I'm not in the bathroom.)
	3:05am Brian D: "La migra" -- slang for US Customs and Immigration Enforcement.
	⚡ 3:05am tom tom the pipers son: ah, thanks!
	3:07am Brian D: The views of the graffiti do not necessarily represent the views of Currents or WFMU -- but they do not necessarily don't either.
	3:07am Erik/VermonT: does the writers strike affect audio ?
	⚡ 3:08am Don in Tampere: Good morning Brian! At the cabin with my friends so won't be chatting much, but will listen unless they complain!
	⚡ 3:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Brian D @3:07 a grafitti hedge!
	3:09am Brian D: ↳ Erik/VermonT @3:07 Only in that I don't have my staff of writers here...
	3:09am Brian D: ↳ Don in Tampere @3:08 Then I best be at my best tonight, Don.
	3:09am fred: Hello Brian and all
	3:12am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Marquee Moon" by "Television" thank you -- i so needed this -- but fuck, i miss Tom Verlaine 🖤🖤🖤
	3:14am slugluv1313: greetings, Brian! Everyone! gotta get some rest, but sooooo grateful for the sounds/vibes
	3:15am slugluv1313: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:04 La Migra -- scumbag border policia
	3:16am Brian D: ↳ slugluv1313 @3:12 Miss him, too, slug. So felt like hearing that tonight.
	⚡ 3:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ slugluv1313 @3:15 yes
	3:16am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:09 Fred!
	3:19am slugluv1313: ↳ Brian D @3:16 thanks -- it really helps (been a rough draining week/weekend)
	3:19am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "The Prettiest Star" by "David Bowie" David Bowie too 🖤🖤🖤
	⚡ 3:21am tom tom the pipers son: not familiar with linda lewis, a little like minnie ripperton... rip
	3:22am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:21 Song backing vocals for Bowie on Aladdin Sane and on the next two records as well.
	⚡ 3:23am tom tom the pipers son: oh, thanks
	3:23am Brian D: *Sang
	⚡ 3:25am tom tom the pipers son: cat stevens was my entryway to listening to music as a tween
	3:25am fred: ↳ Brian D @3:23 I guess typos happen when your team of writers is on strike
	3:25am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:25 There are worse gateways...
	3:26am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:25 Ha! And even when they're not, Fred.
	⚡ 3:28am tom tom the pipers son: cooper or kooper? those darn striking writers!
	3:29am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:28 Glad my editors aren't on strike.
	⚡ 3:29am tom tom the pipers son: ha!
	3:30am Chris Crisco: Cheers Brian & all! Cat or Kat?
	3:31am Brian D: Hey Chris!
	⚡ 3:32am Michael of Cologne: 'Mornin' Brian & all.
	3:33am Brian D: Michael!
	3:33am Erik/VermonT: re Kat Stephens ;-) i had no choice, my older sister drilled his unique beauty into my growing itchy swelling brain (or is that brian?)...
	⚡ 3:38am tom tom the pipers son: i just now started to wonder if gordon lightfoot was native. the name lightfoot sounds native... maybe just a late night thought
	⚡ 3:42am tom tom the pipers son: king tuff sounding a bit like harry nilsson
	3:47am T GRavel: speaking of May Day ... did y'all get a chance to catch Josh MacPhee on Trouble's show? He played music from the the Labor Movement and other Radical songs ... Josh is a great guy co-runs Interference Archive and Just Seeds
	⚡ 3:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Marquee Moon" by "Television" the moon seems to be exceptionally bright tonight too
	3:50am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:38 Wiki says he was of Scottish descent... know the "foot" thing is/can be Scottish.
	3:50am Brian D: ↳ T GRavel @3:47 Yes, that was terrific.
	⚡ 3:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Brian D @3:50 i see, thanks
	3:51am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:49 Noticed that on my way in.
	3:51am fred: ↳ T GRavel @3:47 That was a great show. I usually switch to Jan's show, but this time I didn't. His details about the records and where they came from were excellent. It made me want to see that place he runs (but that's out of reach)
	3:52am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:51 The archive, for those interested: www.wfmu.org...
	3:55am Erik/VermonT: Its late/early free association time-zone: i didn't know this until semi-recently: David Bowie originally released ‘The Prettiest Star’ as a single in March 1970. It was later re-recorded for his sixth album, Aladdin Sane. ‘The Prettiest Star’ was a rarity for Bowie: a straightforward and sincere love song, of a type he rarely wrote again. Its release as the follow-up to ‘Space Oddity’ may have confused listeners expecting another sci-fi themed single, and ‘The Prettiest Star’ failed to chart. The original version has Marc Bolan guest on guitar & Visconti playing Bass. I kinda like the original.
	⚡ 3:56am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Song: "Loving Cup (Alternate Take)" by "Rolling Stones" Is that Mick Taylor getting more sound-space?
	4:06am Chris Crisco: Geoffrey ... Geoffrey ... Take a stress pill and think things over ... Geoffrey
	4:06am Brian D: ↳ Erik/VermonT @3:55 I actually have that earlier version at home.
	4:07am Brian D: ↳ Michael of Cologne @3:56 Yep, and showing he should have probably gotten more.
	⚡ 4:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Clip: NBC-So-called godfather of AI resigns from ... some people i know are just into the mindfuck of ai and are becoming techno fascists
	⚡ 4:12am Marley P. Dogg: Morning friends
	⚡ 4:13am tom tom the pipers son: there's this singer i used to know who is getting involved with ai on several levels, one is transforming her image through ai. she ends up resemblung an updated female robot from metropolis- a fascist icon
	4:17am Brian D: ↳ Marley P. Dogg @4:12 Greetings, Marley.
	4:18am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:13 The potential applications are truly frightening. Will be even harder to discern what is truth and reality...
	4:20am London Calling Francky: Morning Currentors and Brian!
	4:21am London Calling Francky: ↳ Brian D @4:18 As a Lecturer in IT, I can tell you my institution is currently having a major AI soul-searching freak out!
	⚡ 4:21am tom tom the pipers son: yes, and the person i'm talking about is getting a lot of play now in london as some specialist in ai and music
	4:23am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:18 Sure, but that's only a better photoshop. And it might not be that hard to train a model to tell the difference (someone in my office works on that). AI is a misnomer (at least for now), it's a tool, and still a blunt one
	⚡ 4:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @4:23 i think what adds to the danger in a gold rush mentality fueling belief, it ai plus unfettered capitalism
	4:28am fred: ↳ Song: "Clip: Shootings in Serbia" by "n/a" Speaking of freak out, Serbia had two mass shootings in a week and that shocked people there. In another country two in a single day is business as usual
	4:29am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:23 Still blunt, maybe, but getting sharpened as we speak. Or are we robots?
	4:30am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:27 So many things can be blamed on something plus unfettered capitalism. It doesn't take an AI to see the common factor there
	4:41am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:29 From what lI overheard about GAN, it looks like it wouldn't take much to favor the adversarial side to have a good fake detector. But Google focuses its massive resources on the fake side. Which ties in again to unfettered capitalism. There is research on detecting fakes, but the funding is laughable
	4:42am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:41 Right. That "unfettered capitalism" thing is no small issue...
	⚡ 4:44am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @4:29 A multi-layer artificial neural network mining mountains of digital data for matched patterns that are extrapolated. This guarantees that future events are a regurgitation of what has already eventuated.
	4:47am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 AI only interpolates, actually. Extrapolation is the next threshold, and that would be more alarming
	⚡ 4:47am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 Maybe we humans are well on the way to dumbing ourselves down to the level of AI.
	4:48am Brian D: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 So, for work, I interviewed a guy who has developed an AI program designed to train medical personnel on "empathic speaking." It doesn't speak FOR the personnel; it only gives them ideas to improve communication. Good enough. But there are people already talking about using the tech to replace humans, online at least.
	⚡ 4:48am tom tom the pipers son: fast buck fakes
	4:50am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:48 Sorry to be a one-note instrument, but what are "these people" promoting?
	⚡ 4:50am Michael of Cologne: ↳ fred @4:47 The extrapolation is necessarily fake because AI literally has no future dimension. It can only process algorithmically what has been.
	4:53am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:50 Exactly, so far. Extrapolation in latent space is a very hot area of research
	⚡ 4:54am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @4:48 Yep, cost-cutting to enhance the accumulation of thingified value aka capitalism. A perfect fit between algorithmization and endless accumulation.
	4:55am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:50 They're not promoting anything. It's a training tool to assist medical personnel in effective communication.
	⚡ 4:55am tom tom the pipers son: although it's not ai but maybe relates in a zeitgeist type of way, this conversation makes me think of fox news and tucker carlson ... purposefully ignoring reality to cynically market lies to make a buck
	4:56am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:55 I was referring to the people talking about replacing humans
	4:57am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:56 Oh. Online mental health counseling.
	⚡ 4:58am Michael of Cologne: ↳ fred @4:53 Problem is, time itself, and hence the dimension of the future, is wholly pre-spatial. On the wrong track from the very start (with the Greeks) by spatializing time.
	5:00am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:57 With the sorry state of mental health counseling (not just in the US), that could be positive, if not ideal
	5:03am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:00 That's (sadly) true. But the problem is, some of these "players" don't plan on disclosing that people aren't actually talking to, uh, people.
	5:06am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:58 I get your point. My personal blinders come from working for researchers who use AI for music, where time is very much spatial
	5:09am fred: ↳ Brian D @5:03 People not talking to people might be a factor in the mental health crisis, so that's indeed concerning
	⚡ 5:11am tom tom the pipers son: my comment about fox news too "fuzzy"
	5:12am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:11 No, it was on point (I need to stop overposting)
	⚡ 5:13am tom tom the pipers son: thx fred
	5:13am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:12 No such thing, Fred. You're good here.
	5:14am London Calling Francky: ↳ Song: "0622.6" by "nil." This is reminding me of Godspeed You! Black Emperor for some reason... and that is a very very good thing!
	5:19am Brian D: ↳ London Calling Francky @5:14 Indeed, definitely a little GSYBE in there. Belated hello, by the way, LCF.
	5:24am London Calling Francky: ↳ Brian D @5:19 A very good night/morning to you Brian! An amazing thought provoking track selection and lively AI debate on here! Thank you for accompanying so pleasantly my not-yet-AI-powered grading of students' work!
	5:25am Chris Crisco: So it was the CIA that was responsible for You Made Me So Very Happy! I knew it!
	5:28am Brian D: ↳ London Calling Francky @5:24 My pleasure...
	⚡ 5:28am tom tom the pipers son: wow starting to get light already nyc time! moon is low in sky now, very pretty
	5:29am Brian D: ↳ Chris Crisco @5:25 Think it was the tagline for MK Ultra. (Not bad for a guy with no writers.)
	5:30am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:28 Yeah, just noticed that, too, tom tom.
	⚡ 5:38am Michael of Cologne: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:28 Moon was full on Friday, so still beautifully big.
	⚡ 5:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:38 yes
	5:39am Chris Crisco: ↳ Brian D @5:29 Haha! That has to be the worst song of all time! Every cliche bubblegum rhyme all rolled up into one song.
	5:40am fred: I like that there's moon talk now when the show started with Marquee Moon
	⚡ 5:42am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:38 moon still bright even as the sky has brightened
	5:42am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:40 Full circle, if you will.
	⚡ 5:43am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Song: "Almost Blue" by "Chet Baker" Slinky - nice!
	5:44am fred: ↳ Brian D @5:42 As the Beastie Boys said, I know you planned it!
	⚡ 5:45am Michael of Cologne: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:42 Ah! Moon gets exposed to summery skies. I love it when the sun shines on the backside of a waning moon in the morning.
	⚡ 5:46am tom tom the pipers son: right...
	5:51am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:45 I's better than the smell of napalm
	5:52am Chris Crisco: "You've Always Shown Me That ... Lovin' You Is Where It's At" ... who wrote this shit Tom Snyder?
	5:52am dday: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:28 Kooper as in Kuperstein..his real name
	5:53am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:51 Wrongly described as smelling "like victory."
	⚡ 5:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dday @5:52 oh, didn't know that
	⚡ 5:55am tom tom the pipers son: ok brian another fun show and chat, i'm going to get breakfast, suspect you are too. thanks
	5:55am Brian D: Folks, this raven is flying home for breakfast with the missus. Thank you for joining me. Stay safe and have a great week. More details next show, but Currents will have an interview on the 20th/21st.
	⚡ 5:57am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @5:53 The moon's backside has a fragrance of bergamot. Try a whiff in your dreams. And thanks.
	5:57am fred: Thanks Brian, have a great week
	5:58am dday: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:53 Yes. Sadly Al faced the same anti-semitic bs in america in the 60's as did his childhood friend and bass playing legend (my friend) Harvey Goldstein Brooks. The only credit Harvey has on a recording with his birth name was on Dylan's "Highway 61 Revisited"
	⚡ 5:58am tom tom the pipers son: oh...
	5:59am MrDeb: Thanks so much Brian!
	6:00am dday: Sweet man Mr. Brooks. He wrote a book in 2020 "A View from the Bottom" an excellent read...music history from the source

Currents with Brian D: Playlist from May 7, 2023

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Television	Marquee Moon "Marquee Moon" by "Television"	The Blow-Up	ROIR		0:00:00 (Pop-up)

David Bowie	The Prettiest Star "The Prettiest Star" by "David Bowie"	Aladdin Sane	RCA		0:15:02 (Pop-up)
Linda Lewis	It's In His Kiss "It's In His Kiss" by "Linda Lewis"	Not A Little Girl Anymore	Arista	R.I.P.: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/may/04/linda-lewis-death-british-singer-and-famed-backing-vocalist-dies-aged-72	0:18:27 (Pop-up)
Cat Stevens (Yusuf)	Angelsea "Angelsea" by "Cat Stevens (Yusuf)"	Catch Bull At Four	A&M/Island		0:21:44 (Pop-up)
Al Kooper	Let Your Love Shine "Let Your Love Shine" by "Al Kooper"	A Possible Projection of the Future / Childhood's End	Columbia		0:26:13 (Pop-up)
Gordon Lightfoot	Early Morning Rain	Songbook	Rhino	R.I.P.: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/01/arts/music/gordon-lightfoot-dead.html	0:30:18 (Pop-up)
Junior Parker	Tomorrow Never Knows	Funny How Time Slips Away	United Artists		0:33:37 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clip: Al Jazeera-Palestinian hunger striker dies	n/a	n/a		0:37:09 (Pop-up)
King Tuff	How I Love "How I Love" by "King Tuff"	Smalltown Stardust	Sub Pop		0:37:38 (Pop-up)
One Eleven Heavy	Treasure "Treasure" by "One Eleven Heavy"	Poolside	Kith & Kin Records		0:48:16 (Pop-up)
Rolling Stones	Loving Cup (Alternate Take)	Exile On Main Street (Remastered) 2CD	Rolling Stones Records		0:52:41 (Pop-up)
Andy Shauf	Wasted on You "Wasted on You" by "Andy Shauf"	Norm	Anti-		0:58:16 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clip: NBC-So-called godfather of AI resigns from Google	n/a	n/a		1:01:52 (Pop-up)
Bobby Volkman	Radio Control "Radio Control" by "Bobby Volkman"	His Own Mad Road	Self-released		1:02:30 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clips: Shootings in US (Texas, Alabama, Newark, Atlanta)	n/a	n/a		1:07:01 (Pop-up)
Brian Harnetty	A Feast of Liberation/instrumental played together	Words and Silences	Winesap		1:08:25 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clip: KVIA-Shooting at outlet mall in Texas	n/a	n/a		1:13:37 (Pop-up)
Jimi Hendrix	Machine Gun "Machine Gun" by "Jimi Hendrix"	Machine Gun: The Fillmore East First Show 12/31/1969	Legacy		1:14:15 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clip: Shootings in Serbia "Clip: Shootings in Serbia" by "n/a"	n/a	n/a		1:23:05 (Pop-up)
Nick Cave & Warren Ellis	White Elephant	Carnage	Goliath		1:23:59 (Pop-up)
n/a	Clip: ABC-Death on NYC subway	n/a	n/a		1:30:04 (Pop-up)
Pod	123 "123" by "Pod"	No Seattle: Forgotten Sounds of the North-West Grunge Era 1986-97	Soul Jazz		1:30:29 (Pop-up)
A Certain Ratio	Holy Smoke "Holy Smoke" by "A Certain Ratio"	1982	Mute Artists		1:38:34 (Pop-up)
Debby Friday	Let U Down "Let U Down" by "Debby Friday"	Good Luck	Sub Pop		1:42:41 (Pop-up)

Joni Void	Parallax Error (+N NAO)	Everyday Is The Song	Constellation		1:52:56 (Pop-up)
Kelela	Happy Ending "Happy Ending" by "Kelela"	Raven	Warp		1:57:15 (Pop-up)
Charlotte Abigery and Bolis Pupul	It Hit Me	Topical Dancer	Deewee		2:01:33 (Pop-up)
nil.	0622.6 "0622.6" by "nil."	01	Intangible Arts		2:07:04 (Pop-up)

Sirom	Prods the Fire with a Bone, Rolls over with a Snake	The Liquified Throne of Simplicity	Glitterbeat		2:18:22 (Pop-up)
Chet Baker	Almost Blue "Almost Blue" by "Chet Baker"	Chet Baker In Tokyo	King Records		2:38:54 (Pop-up)
London Brew	Raven Flies Low "Raven Flies Low" by "London Brew"	London Brew	Concord Jazz		2:46:36 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	3:02am Pablexa™: Morning
	3:02am T GRavel: hell yeah! CURRRENTS! hey brian
	⚡ 3:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning brian, all
	⚡ 3:04am tom tom the pipers son: we are workers, fuck... what?
	3:04am Brian D: Hi everyone! (No, I'm not in the bathroom.)
	3:05am Brian D: "La migra" -- slang for US Customs and Immigration Enforcement.
	⚡ 3:05am tom tom the pipers son: ah, thanks!
	3:07am Brian D: The views of the graffiti do not necessarily represent the views of Currents or WFMU -- but they do not necessarily don't either.
	3:07am Erik/VermonT: does the writers strike affect audio ?
	⚡ 3:08am Don in Tampere: Good morning Brian! At the cabin with my friends so won't be chatting much, but will listen unless they complain!
	⚡ 3:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Brian D @3:07 a grafitti hedge!
	3:09am Brian D: ↳ Erik/VermonT @3:07 Only in that I don't have my staff of writers here...
	3:09am Brian D: ↳ Don in Tampere @3:08 Then I best be at my best tonight, Don.
	3:09am fred: Hello Brian and all
	3:12am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Marquee Moon" by "Television" thank you -- i so needed this -- but fuck, i miss Tom Verlaine 🖤🖤🖤
	3:14am slugluv1313: greetings, Brian! Everyone! gotta get some rest, but sooooo grateful for the sounds/vibes
	3:15am slugluv1313: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:04 La Migra -- scumbag border policia
	3:16am Brian D: ↳ slugluv1313 @3:12 Miss him, too, slug. So felt like hearing that tonight.
	⚡ 3:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ slugluv1313 @3:15 yes
	3:16am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:09 Fred!
	3:19am slugluv1313: ↳ Brian D @3:16 thanks -- it really helps (been a rough draining week/weekend)
	3:19am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "The Prettiest Star" by "David Bowie" David Bowie too 🖤🖤🖤
	⚡ 3:21am tom tom the pipers son: not familiar with linda lewis, a little like minnie ripperton... rip
	3:22am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:21 Song backing vocals for Bowie on Aladdin Sane and on the next two records as well.
	⚡ 3:23am tom tom the pipers son: oh, thanks
	3:23am Brian D: *Sang
	⚡ 3:25am tom tom the pipers son: cat stevens was my entryway to listening to music as a tween
	3:25am fred: ↳ Brian D @3:23 I guess typos happen when your team of writers is on strike
	3:25am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:25 There are worse gateways...
	3:26am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:25 Ha! And even when they're not, Fred.
	⚡ 3:28am tom tom the pipers son: cooper or kooper? those darn striking writers!
	3:29am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:28 Glad my editors aren't on strike.
	⚡ 3:29am tom tom the pipers son: ha!
	3:30am Chris Crisco: Cheers Brian & all! Cat or Kat?
	3:31am Brian D: Hey Chris!
	⚡ 3:32am Michael of Cologne: 'Mornin' Brian & all.
	3:33am Brian D: Michael!
	3:33am Erik/VermonT: re Kat Stephens ;-) i had no choice, my older sister drilled his unique beauty into my growing itchy swelling brain (or is that brian?)...
	⚡ 3:38am tom tom the pipers son: i just now started to wonder if gordon lightfoot was native. the name lightfoot sounds native... maybe just a late night thought
	⚡ 3:42am tom tom the pipers son: king tuff sounding a bit like harry nilsson
	3:47am T GRavel: speaking of May Day ... did y'all get a chance to catch Josh MacPhee on Trouble's show? He played music from the the Labor Movement and other Radical songs ... Josh is a great guy co-runs Interference Archive and Just Seeds
	⚡ 3:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Marquee Moon" by "Television" the moon seems to be exceptionally bright tonight too
	3:50am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:38 Wiki says he was of Scottish descent... know the "foot" thing is/can be Scottish.
	3:50am Brian D: ↳ T GRavel @3:47 Yes, that was terrific.
	⚡ 3:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Brian D @3:50 i see, thanks
	3:51am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:49 Noticed that on my way in.
	3:51am fred: ↳ T GRavel @3:47 That was a great show. I usually switch to Jan's show, but this time I didn't. His details about the records and where they came from were excellent. It made me want to see that place he runs (but that's out of reach)
	3:52am Brian D: ↳ fred @3:51 The archive, for those interested: www.wfmu.org...
	3:55am Erik/VermonT: Its late/early free association time-zone: i didn't know this until semi-recently: David Bowie originally released ‘The Prettiest Star’ as a single in March 1970. It was later re-recorded for his sixth album, Aladdin Sane. ‘The Prettiest Star’ was a rarity for Bowie: a straightforward and sincere love song, of a type he rarely wrote again. Its release as the follow-up to ‘Space Oddity’ may have confused listeners expecting another sci-fi themed single, and ‘The Prettiest Star’ failed to chart. The original version has Marc Bolan guest on guitar & Visconti playing Bass. I kinda like the original.
	⚡ 3:56am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Song: "Loving Cup (Alternate Take)" by "Rolling Stones" Is that Mick Taylor getting more sound-space?
	4:06am Chris Crisco: Geoffrey ... Geoffrey ... Take a stress pill and think things over ... Geoffrey
	4:06am Brian D: ↳ Erik/VermonT @3:55 I actually have that earlier version at home.
	4:07am Brian D: ↳ Michael of Cologne @3:56 Yep, and showing he should have probably gotten more.
	⚡ 4:08am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Clip: NBC-So-called godfather of AI resigns from ... some people i know are just into the mindfuck of ai and are becoming techno fascists
	⚡ 4:12am Marley P. Dogg: Morning friends
	⚡ 4:13am tom tom the pipers son: there's this singer i used to know who is getting involved with ai on several levels, one is transforming her image through ai. she ends up resemblung an updated female robot from metropolis- a fascist icon
	4:17am Brian D: ↳ Marley P. Dogg @4:12 Greetings, Marley.
	4:18am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:13 The potential applications are truly frightening. Will be even harder to discern what is truth and reality...
	4:20am London Calling Francky: Morning Currentors and Brian!
	4:21am London Calling Francky: ↳ Brian D @4:18 As a Lecturer in IT, I can tell you my institution is currently having a major AI soul-searching freak out!
	⚡ 4:21am tom tom the pipers son: yes, and the person i'm talking about is getting a lot of play now in london as some specialist in ai and music
	4:23am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:18 Sure, but that's only a better photoshop. And it might not be that hard to train a model to tell the difference (someone in my office works on that). AI is a misnomer (at least for now), it's a tool, and still a blunt one
	⚡ 4:27am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @4:23 i think what adds to the danger in a gold rush mentality fueling belief, it ai plus unfettered capitalism
	4:28am fred: ↳ Song: "Clip: Shootings in Serbia" by "n/a" Speaking of freak out, Serbia had two mass shootings in a week and that shocked people there. In another country two in a single day is business as usual
	4:29am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:23 Still blunt, maybe, but getting sharpened as we speak. Or are we robots?
	4:30am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:27 So many things can be blamed on something plus unfettered capitalism. It doesn't take an AI to see the common factor there
	4:41am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:29 From what lI overheard about GAN, it looks like it wouldn't take much to favor the adversarial side to have a good fake detector. But Google focuses its massive resources on the fake side. Which ties in again to unfettered capitalism. There is research on detecting fakes, but the funding is laughable
	4:42am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:41 Right. That "unfettered capitalism" thing is no small issue...
	⚡ 4:44am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @4:29 A multi-layer artificial neural network mining mountains of digital data for matched patterns that are extrapolated. This guarantees that future events are a regurgitation of what has already eventuated.
	4:47am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 AI only interpolates, actually. Extrapolation is the next threshold, and that would be more alarming
	⚡ 4:47am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 Maybe we humans are well on the way to dumbing ourselves down to the level of AI.
	4:48am Brian D: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:44 So, for work, I interviewed a guy who has developed an AI program designed to train medical personnel on "empathic speaking." It doesn't speak FOR the personnel; it only gives them ideas to improve communication. Good enough. But there are people already talking about using the tech to replace humans, online at least.
	⚡ 4:48am tom tom the pipers son: fast buck fakes
	4:50am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:48 Sorry to be a one-note instrument, but what are "these people" promoting?
	⚡ 4:50am Michael of Cologne: ↳ fred @4:47 The extrapolation is necessarily fake because AI literally has no future dimension. It can only process algorithmically what has been.
	4:53am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:50 Exactly, so far. Extrapolation in latent space is a very hot area of research
	⚡ 4:54am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @4:48 Yep, cost-cutting to enhance the accumulation of thingified value aka capitalism. A perfect fit between algorithmization and endless accumulation.
	4:55am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:50 They're not promoting anything. It's a training tool to assist medical personnel in effective communication.
	⚡ 4:55am tom tom the pipers son: although it's not ai but maybe relates in a zeitgeist type of way, this conversation makes me think of fox news and tucker carlson ... purposefully ignoring reality to cynically market lies to make a buck
	4:56am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:55 I was referring to the people talking about replacing humans
	4:57am Brian D: ↳ fred @4:56 Oh. Online mental health counseling.
	⚡ 4:58am Michael of Cologne: ↳ fred @4:53 Problem is, time itself, and hence the dimension of the future, is wholly pre-spatial. On the wrong track from the very start (with the Greeks) by spatializing time.
	5:00am fred: ↳ Brian D @4:57 With the sorry state of mental health counseling (not just in the US), that could be positive, if not ideal
	5:03am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:00 That's (sadly) true. But the problem is, some of these "players" don't plan on disclosing that people aren't actually talking to, uh, people.
	5:06am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @4:58 I get your point. My personal blinders come from working for researchers who use AI for music, where time is very much spatial
	5:09am fred: ↳ Brian D @5:03 People not talking to people might be a factor in the mental health crisis, so that's indeed concerning
	⚡ 5:11am tom tom the pipers son: my comment about fox news too "fuzzy"
	5:12am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:11 No, it was on point (I need to stop overposting)
	⚡ 5:13am tom tom the pipers son: thx fred
	5:13am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:12 No such thing, Fred. You're good here.
	5:14am London Calling Francky: ↳ Song: "0622.6" by "nil." This is reminding me of Godspeed You! Black Emperor for some reason... and that is a very very good thing!
	5:19am Brian D: ↳ London Calling Francky @5:14 Indeed, definitely a little GSYBE in there. Belated hello, by the way, LCF.
	5:24am London Calling Francky: ↳ Brian D @5:19 A very good night/morning to you Brian! An amazing thought provoking track selection and lively AI debate on here! Thank you for accompanying so pleasantly my not-yet-AI-powered grading of students' work!
	5:25am Chris Crisco: So it was the CIA that was responsible for You Made Me So Very Happy! I knew it!
	5:28am Brian D: ↳ London Calling Francky @5:24 My pleasure...
	⚡ 5:28am tom tom the pipers son: wow starting to get light already nyc time! moon is low in sky now, very pretty
	5:29am Brian D: ↳ Chris Crisco @5:25 Think it was the tagline for MK Ultra. (Not bad for a guy with no writers.)
	5:30am Brian D: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:28 Yeah, just noticed that, too, tom tom.
	⚡ 5:38am Michael of Cologne: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:28 Moon was full on Friday, so still beautifully big.
	⚡ 5:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:38 yes
	5:39am Chris Crisco: ↳ Brian D @5:29 Haha! That has to be the worst song of all time! Every cliche bubblegum rhyme all rolled up into one song.
	5:40am fred: I like that there's moon talk now when the show started with Marquee Moon
	⚡ 5:42am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:38 moon still bright even as the sky has brightened
	5:42am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:40 Full circle, if you will.
	⚡ 5:43am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Song: "Almost Blue" by "Chet Baker" Slinky - nice!
	5:44am fred: ↳ Brian D @5:42 As the Beastie Boys said, I know you planned it!
	⚡ 5:45am Michael of Cologne: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:42 Ah! Moon gets exposed to summery skies. I love it when the sun shines on the backside of a waning moon in the morning.
	⚡ 5:46am tom tom the pipers son: right...
	5:51am fred: ↳ Michael of Cologne @5:45 I's better than the smell of napalm
	5:52am Chris Crisco: "You've Always Shown Me That ... Lovin' You Is Where It's At" ... who wrote this shit Tom Snyder?
	5:52am dday: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:28 Kooper as in Kuperstein..his real name
	5:53am Brian D: ↳ fred @5:51 Wrongly described as smelling "like victory."
	⚡ 5:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dday @5:52 oh, didn't know that
	⚡ 5:55am tom tom the pipers son: ok brian another fun show and chat, i'm going to get breakfast, suspect you are too. thanks
	5:55am Brian D: Folks, this raven is flying home for breakfast with the missus. Thank you for joining me. Stay safe and have a great week. More details next show, but Currents will have an interview on the 20th/21st.
	⚡ 5:57am Michael of Cologne: ↳ Brian D @5:53 The moon's backside has a fragrance of bergamot. Try a whiff in your dreams. And thanks.
	5:57am fred: Thanks Brian, have a great week
	5:58am dday: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:53 Yes. Sadly Al faced the same anti-semitic bs in america in the 60's as did his childhood friend and bass playing legend (my friend) Harvey Goldstein Brooks. The only credit Harvey has on a recording with his birth name was on Dylan's "Highway 61 Revisited"
	⚡ 5:58am tom tom the pipers son: oh...
	5:59am MrDeb: Thanks so much Brian!
	6:00am dday: Sweet man Mr. Brooks. He wrote a book in 2020 "A View from the Bottom" an excellent read...music history from the source

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