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Favoriting September 18, 2023: Michael Hearst discusses his new Mean Marcus album, "Say Hello To The Party"

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Today: Michael Hearst discusses his new Mean Marcus album, “Say Hello To The Party”

“Say Hello To The Party” is the debut album by Mean Marcus, fronted by composer and multi-instrumentalist Michael Hearst.

The album is available on Bandcamp as well as here and here on Michael’s website, michaelhearst.com.

Hearst’s previous albums include “Songs For Fearful Flyers” as well as “Songs For Ice Cream Trucks.”

Other projects by Hearst include a four-part series: Unusual Creatures, Extraordinary People, Curious Constructions, and Unconventional Vehicles.

Hearst is also a founding member of the band One Ring Zero, who have released nine albums.

. . . speaking of AI-generated text . . .

Microsoft Publishes Garbled AI Article Calling Tragically Deceased NBA Player “Useless” (Futurism, Sep 14, 2023): After former NBA player Brandon Hunter died recently, “Microsoft’s MSN news portal published a garbled, seemingly AI-generated article that derided Hunter as ‘useless’ in its headline.”

“‘Brandon Hunter useless at 42,’ read the article, which was quickly called out on social media. The rest of the brief report is even more incomprehensible, informing readers that Hunter ‘handed away’ after achieving ‘vital success as a ahead [sic] for the Bobcats’ and ‘performed in 67 video games.’”

A Microsoft executive claimed that “the article was not published by an unsupervised AI . . . [instead,] the content was generated through a combination of algorithmic techniques with human review.” Ooo-kay. Futurism writes that “back in 2020, MSN fired the team of human journalists responsible for vetting content published on its platform.”

Race Track [the original publisher of the piece above] shows that it has been using MSN to publish an uninterrupted stream of incoherent gobbledygook. One particularly ridiculous article profiles a ‘Corridor of Fame’ football player called ‘Pleasure Taylor,’ which appears to be a mangled reference to NFL Hall of Famer Joy Taylor [sic].’” (Actually it’s TV personality Joy Taylor’s brother Jason Taylor who is the hall of famer.)

Behind the AI boom, an army of overseas workers in ‘digital sweatshops’ (Washington Post, Aug 28, 2023). The article focuses on the Philippines:

In dingy internet cafes, jampacked office spaces or at home, they annotate the masses of data that American companies need to train their artificial intelligence models. The workers differentiate pedestrians from palm trees in videos used to develop the algorithms for automated driving; they label images so AI can generate representations of politicians and celebrities; they edit chunks of text to ensure language models like ChatGPT don’t churn out gibberish.

More than 2 million people in the Philippines perform this type of “crowdwork,” according to informal government estimates, as part of AI’s vast underbelly.


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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtopsandbottoms!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Ultradamno & all!
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ultradamno:

Hiya Bas!
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Handy Haversack:

Well, here's the bright side of softball being rained out. Hello, Mark, Techyon particles.
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonikins!
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tim:

Hey Mark!
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tim:

Howdy Bas, ultra, Handy and chresti!
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chresti:

Hi tim!
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ultradamno:

Hey Tim!
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Bas NL:

Hi Tim!
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Handy Haversack:

Hey, Tim! Damp but present.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
tim:

I like the cover artwork.
Avatar 🤖 6:07pm
MarciB:

This sounds like a great topic. I think I need to buy to "Songs for Fearful Flyers" since I am one.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Techto Beanie Babies! I heard the guest tonight was Mack Hirst.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

I'm an MH, too. But MJH.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
ultradamno:

I guess this sort of makes up for monday going from two Dan Bs to zero (for tonight, anyhow)
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Handy Haversack:

↳ ultradamno @6:09
We must not allow a Dan B gap!
  6:11pm
David in London:

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
tim:

What is Michael’s band called?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, Bas, Handy, chresti, Tim, Marci, KfHP, and DiL! Hope everyone in the NYC area has dried out a bit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:06
The artwork comes up later in the interview...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:11
Usually his work is released under his name, Michael Hearst. See www.michaelhearst.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Ciggy:

Hearst on Hurst, not Hearse
  6:13pm
Androu B.:

Hi Mark, Technocrits & Technocrats!

Would like to know if Michael is related in any way to the multimillionaire Hearst dynasty.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:12
I also have a Borg Hellraiser antenna. It really helps with WFMU reception.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:13
Borg Hellraiser is my favorite polka band!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
tim:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:12
Cool! It would make a good book cover too.
  6:16pm
Androu B.:

Hope EFD gets to play some tracks off this album.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
tim:

The Day After!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ tim @6:17
That's the one...
  6:20pm
Dean:

1977, Métal Urbain, "Panik"...soundtrack to Hearst's panic?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Folsom:

Anyone remember that TV series that was kind of like Twilight Zone in the 80s, there was a show where the woman could stop time, at the end of the show there was a frozen missile in the air about to land.
  6:20pm
David in London:

We’re old enough to remember when the cutting edge technological innovation was the Speak & Spell.
  6:20pm
Dean:

https://genius.com/Metal-urbain-panik-lyrics
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
tim:

I felt that loathing a dread of the 80s as what’s his face really ramped up.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Handy Haversack:

People of a certain vintage.
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Rich in Washington:

as a teen I was traumatized by a Joe Cuomo radio show which posited that Reagan wanted to bring about Armageddon to fulfill biblical prophecy and bring back Jesus. It scared that crap out of me.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:20
You act like something better has come along. Name it!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
tim:

↳ tim @6:21
And it’s stuck around during Biden.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
tim:

↳ Folsom @6:20
Yes I do. Was it Amazing Stories?
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Bas NL:

I propose to introduce a new calendar based on the birth of the internet. (1983) So one is born before or after the start of internet. (years BI/AI)
  6:25pm
Androu B.:

↳ Folsom @6:20
Was it "The Hitchhiker"? That was a cable-only series on the USA Network.
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G:

↳ Bas NL @6:24
The internet was a super niche thing till the www, mid 90s.
  6:25pm
David in London:

The real turning point I saw was in the mid Eighties, with what was called the New Age Travellers. They were basically just a few scruffy post hippies in beaten up old camper vans, but they were portrayed as enemies of the state when they tried to mount their annual trip to Stonehenge. I knew then that a line has been crossed and the state was starting to regard people as its enemy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Folsom:

↳ tim @6:22
I looked though wiki on the episode list, the one I was thinking of wasn't listed, I'll keep looking.
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Bas NL:

↳ G @6:25
So was Jesus Christ.. ;)
  6:27pm
yippie:

i prefer phonautograms
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Folsom:

OK I found it, Twilight Zone from the 80s, A Little Peace and Quiet, lady could stop time but no one to talk to but if she starts it up then the missiles land.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

WFMU should arrange with some manufacturers to have some cassette and record players as marathon prizes, to get them into the hands of users.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:25
As the sun rose on the beanfield
They came like a wolf on the fold
And no they didn't give a warning
They took their bloody toll ...

And no they didn't give a reason
It's what your votes condone
It seems they were committing treason
By trying to live on the road
  6:28pm
yippie:

i know a guy named marcus who made his musician name "skid marcus"
  6:30pm
David in London:

Is that NMA, Handles? Yeah, the Battle of the Beanfield was a disgrace.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
tim:

↳ Bas NL @6:24
Good one, Bas!

I would lasso like to propose a Tech Conscientious Objector status to in order to not be required to participate in mandatory participation in things like retina scans at the airport.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:30
It's the Levellers. Heavily NMA influenced.
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tim:

What! Irony be damned!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:32pm
ultradamno:

I believe irony has been damned, it explains how it's the punchline of the only joke Elon Musk seems to know.
  6:32pm
David in London:

Handles, ah, right. Don’t really know their oeuvre, but I know they were plugged into that scene.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David in London @6:32
"Crusties"? I think. As I recall, the NME cover was "Anarcho-hippie-folk-punk in the UK." They cited their main influences as NMA and Manic Street Preachers, which, how can you go wrong? It doesn't explain the didgeridoo, but it was the nineties. Things happened.
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DjLorraine:

WFs here have palm scan machines
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Bas NL:

↳ tim @6:30
Wearing a proud 'Do Not Probe' batch.
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Jim the Poet:

I could use a good probing
  6:36pm
Androu B.:

Say, does this album have any prog elements? That would make an appropriate segue for the upcoming program!
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tim:

↳ Bas NL @6:35
Good one!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ tim @6:37
I am a proud signatory to the "Won't Probe Bas" pledge.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
tim:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:36
How much time do you have, Jim the Poet?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Androu B. @6:36
Good point, Androu
  6:39pm
chresti:

Like William Randolph Hearst
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
tim:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:38
Oooh, I’m going to take the “Won’t Probe Bas” pledge campaign to the college campus. We make this a worldwide movement!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:38
Would not exclude exchange of drinks of course...
Avatar 🤖 6:41pm
herb.nyc:

Hi. This Hearst fella sounds like a cool guy. With cool songs. It seems he has no cd version of Mean Marcus. Ugh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:40
Of course. That's how we know the pledge is real!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

(Jack Mello filling in for Daniel Blumin tonight.)
  6:41pm
Androu B.:

↳ chresti @6:39
As I asked earlier up on the chatboard, wondered if he had any relation to the multimillionaire dynasty.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
ultradamno:

↳ chresti @6:39
...and the resulting multinational mass media conglomerate group
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
chresti:

↳ ultradamno @6:42
That's right!
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chresti:

↳ Androu B. @6:41
Me too!
  6:45pm
Dean:

The founding of Ford Motor Co. did not bode well for this country, either.
  6:45pm
Androu B.:

↳ ultradamno @6:42
Not to mention hostage-turned-bank robber Patty Hearst.
  6:45pm
Fredericks:

Lou Reed's Berlin wasn't a happy pop record.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
The Butterman:

I don’t get the playlist pic with the stick of butter that says “e-mails”
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Bas NL:

Will check Hearst on bc! Curious now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
chresti:

↳ The Butterman @6:46
They melt?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
tim:

↳ Fredericks @6:45
Side 2 is devastating. It’s such a great record. One of Lou’s best.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
ultradamno:

↳ Androu B. @6:45
...and the ½ Japanese song about her...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Handy Haversack:

Yeah. Opt-out demands. It would sure be nice.

Gotta start chopping stuff. Thanks, Mark! And Michael. And all phonetic Hursts!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Jim the Poet:

↳ tim @6:38
I can fit it in
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ The Butterman @6:46
I think the gag is to pronounce it "buttery males."
Avatar 🤖 6:49pm
herb.nyc:

The new New Pornographers has cover art kinda similar to Mean Marcus. Kinda
Avatar 🤖 6:51pm
herb.nyc:

Useless. Maybe Ai meant Unuseless, similar to the “101 unuseless Japanese inventions” book
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joe mulligan:

so it seems that there are no watchdogs to keep an eye on AI news stories and no consequences while they experiment with the technology
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
cbunny:

o my goodness! When I was in Barcelona earlier this year, I had a dinner with the people who created Futurism!! A friend of a mutual friend introduced to a super rad journalist who invited us to dinner with them. They're all hilarious, and on the right page. You'd love them, @Mark Hurst!!
  6:52pm
yippie:

its better to be useless than to be used for evil, so being useless is a pretty high compliment nowadays
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
tim:

Man, all that Microsoft a-hole has to do is say “My apologies”.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Bas NL:

AI: 'Son... You can't handle the truth.'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
chresti:

They think they're real?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Not artificial intelligence, sub-optimal intelligence.
  6:54pm
Dean:

Corridor of Erudition
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paddy in matawan:

LT 56
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cbunny:

The journalist friend had just had an article about AI regulation on the front page of YahooNews earlier that day. Her editor kept giving her crap about using 'Futurists" as sources, so much of our conversation was "What is a futurist?" hahaha! much wine was consumed.
  6:55pm
Androu B.:

The world that "WALL-E" warned us would become a reality.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
ultradamno:

I just saw Drew Barrymore, Bill Maher, The Talk and Jennifer Hudson have backed off doing scab shows...now sure about The View at the moment
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
cbunny:

news.yahoo.com...

"Europe sounds the alarm on ChatGPT"

“The ongoing joke in the AI community,” said Leonhard, “is that if you ask AI to fix climate change, it would kill all humans. It's inconvenient for us, but it is the most logical answer.”
  6:58pm
David in London:

Thanks for a great show today, Mark.
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paddy in matawan:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim:

Thanks Hurst/Hearst Brothers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:59pm
Androu B.:

Thanks so much, mark ! Keep fighting the good fight!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark & Michael. Avoid looking up!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
cbunny:

Good show and interview, thx Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Thanks Michael!
  7:00pm
Androu B.:

↳ Song: "Alprazolam" by "Songs for Fearful Flyers"
You know, I often wonder how pharma folks come up with these alien names for perscription drugs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
  8:06pm
Michael Hearst:

↳ Androu B. @6:13
I wish! No, last name was shortened from Herskowitz or something like that a century ago.
  8:11pm
Michael Hearst:

↳ herb.nyc @6:41
I just burned some today! Hit me up at info@michaelhearst.com
  8:18pm
Michael Hearst:

Thanks so much, Mark! And thanks to everyone for tuning in.
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