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Today: Surveillance in the subway, the store, the stadium, and the sky

New surveillance systems are being launched every day, with no input from citizens, and no recourse for those who are inaccurately profiled. We’re surveying newly kinds of surveillance in the subway, the store, the stadium, and the sky.

The subway

400-Pound N.Y.P.D. Robot Gets Tryout in Times Square Subway Station (NYT, Sep 22, 2023):

The K5, described as a “fully autonomous” security robot, is part of a push by the mayor for more law-enforcement technology, which has raised concerns among privacy advocates.

... [Albert Fox] Cahn said he was wary that the K5 might eventually employ facial recognition technology. “If the mayor thinks there aren’t enough cameras in Times Square, then he’s more out of touch than I realized,” Mr. Cahn said. “It’s more surveillance theater,” he added. “This is a mayor who doubles down on public relations stunts rather than public safety any chance he gets.”




• From Joseph Cox at the newly launched 404 Media, I Tracked an NYC Subway Rider's Movements with an MTA ‘Feature’ (Aug 30, 2023):
With their consent, I had entered the rider’s credit card information—data that is often easy to buy from criminal marketplaces, or which might be trivial for an abusive partner to obtain—and punched that into the MTA site for OMNY, the subway’s contactless payments system. After a few seconds, the site churned out the rider’s travel history for the past 7 days, no other verification required.

The news presents a significant privacy risk from a feature that is supposedly designed for individuals to check their own travel history, but which in reality is wide open to abuse.
The store

• The Telegraph (Sep 17, 2023) reports that UK retailers are scanning customers’ faces while they shop.

The stated aim of the facerec is to stop known shoplifters:
If your face is matched, managers at the shop will receive a silent alert and a picture of you, the suspected thief. Within seconds, you would find yourself shadowed by a chirpy member of staff, pleasantly informing you: “I’ll be right behind you if you need any help.”

. . . Business is booming. Gordon says Facewatch has doubled in size in each of the last four years and has licensed its technology in hundreds of shops. The British company works with the likes of Budgens, Costcutter, House of Fraser and Spar.

. . . Madeleine Stone, of the campaign group Big Brother Watch, is concerned about the slow creep of facial recognition technology.

“It is unacceptable to have police and private companies writing their own rules on the use of such a powerful surveillance technology,” she says. “We urgently need a democratic, lawful approach to the role of facial biometrics in Britain, but so far there hasn’t even been a parliamentary debate on it.”
The stadium

Philadelphia Phillies roll out facial authentication to let fans skip lines at Citizens Bank Park (Aug 21, 2023): “There will be a special lane available only at the first base gate that will have a facial recognition scanner.” Now is the carrot, later comes the stick.

The sky

N.Y.P.D. Will Use Drones to Monitor Labor Day Celebrations (NYT, Sep 1, 2023):
Mr. Cahn noted that while police forces have long been allowed to use planes and helicopters for surveillance, the use of low-flying drones — some of which can record audio — to monitor a barbecue raised questions about New Yorkers’ constitutional rights against unlawful searches. . . . Mr. Cahn [continued that] a drone was not the same as a human responder who could render aid or break up a fight.

“Camera systems sometimes can be helpful in investigating crimes, but they’re really ineffective as a deterrent,” Mr. Cahn said. “We continue to have police peddling the myth that their technology somehow will magically keep us safe, when in fact, it’s long term structural investments in public safety that are proven to be effective.”
See also: New York police will use drones to monitor backyard parties this weekend, spurring privacy concerns (AP, Aug 31, 2023).

Google’s spyware

• On Mastodon, by Marcus Hutchins (Sep 6, 2023): “For anyone unaware, Google Chrome is currently rolling out an update that track your interests based on browsing history, then share them with 3rd party websites. The notification page makes it sound like they added a new privacy feature, but in actuality they automatically enrolled you into their tracking system and you have to go and manually opt out.” Notice: in Google’s language, surveillance is called “privacy.”

See also the Ars Technica article (Sep 7, 2023).

Cars

It’s Official: Cars Are the Worst Product Category We Have Ever Reviewed for Privacy (Mozilla, Sep 6, 2023): “Car brands quietly entered the data business by turning their vehicles into powerful data-gobbling machines. Machines that . . . have an unmatched power to watch, listen, and collect information about what you do and where you go in your car.”

Tesla came in dead last, out of all car makers, for especially bad privacy practices.

But also:
Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. It’s worth reading the review in full, but you should know it includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy.
Surveillance (“smart”) devices

Like privacy? Then smart devices are a dumb idea, reports the Register (Sep 7, 2023):
And while smart speakers are only supposed to listen after being invoked with a “wake” phrase, their data collection and who they share that with may surprise. For instance, researchers found that Bose products are shuffling info off to the Meta social media empire, meaning owners are giving data to Zuckercorp regardless of whether they have a Facebook account.

. . . Google was found to be sucking up data from every smart camera or doorbell looked at, while Blink and Ring devices also beamed it back to the Amazon mothership. “Google’s Nest product demands full name, email, date of birth and gender.”

. . . Washing machines are smart now too, apparently, and the things they want to know about their owners have nothing to do with spin cycles. For example, LG and Hoover products don’t allow use of their apps without knowing how old you are. LG was the worst for prying, wanting “name, date of birth, email, phone contact book, precise location and phone number,” while Hoover demanded “users’ contacts and phone numbers on Android devices.” For Miele products, precise location tracking is enabled by default and required to use the app.
Surveillance TVs from LG, Samsung, and Sony are also listed.



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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyon Particles!
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtubterraneans!
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoidals.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtonquistadors!
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David (in London):

In those accompanying photos, one is a true evil with the subjugation of humanity at its very core. The other is a Dalek.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
ultradamno:

All this surveillance has really rendered a song like "who's making love to your old lady while you were out making love" obsolete...probably not the number one concern, but still....
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ David (in London) @6:02
Hahaha, exactly.
Hi Mark! Hi everyone!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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Franco Twinkie:

Howdy Mark!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! All!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ David (in London) @6:02
DISCRIMINATE! DISCRIMINATE!
  6:03pm
SM Ken:

Hello all!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm going to refrain from talking about Eric Adams on the comments-page because I don't like bringing negativity here.
  6:04pm
Rolando:

Hello Friends, Here we go.
  6:04pm
7000ad:

Still a lot of distortion coming through on the livestream, as other listeners have mentioned
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ 7000ad @6:04
I'm hearing it, too. It sounds like Mark's mic is too hot.
  6:05pm
7000ad:

Its on all the music too
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
listener james from westwood:

Was walking my neighborhood as part of knocking on doors for local elections and holy metric fuck were there a lotta Ring doorbells in this slice of Jersey suburbia. I and the candidate both waved at them after we left door hangers.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:03
Bas, when we saw Lewsberg, Ava Mendoza opened and was excellent. Playing 11/9 in Utrecht at TivoliVredenburg: avamendozamusic.bandcamp.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ listener james from westwood @6:05
I had a talk with a surprisingly informed staff member of our assembly member about the Ring doorbell at their office, which they justified having because of the "climate of political violence" in these later days. So ... that was kind of awful.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
listener james from westwood:

I haven't been to friends' houses since Nov 2019 but I can only imagine they've tooled up with the snitch-cams on their houses since the pandemic started.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:05
As part of the excellent 'Le Guess Who?' festival. I love to go there each year, but it sold out early and i missed out on getting tickets... :(
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
listener james from westwood:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:06
Can imagine it for someone in gov't, but this was like two out of three regular folks' houses. Sometimes you even had to look up because they were mounted on overhangs or the like.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
David (in London):

I've used Mark's phrase on several occasions and remarked to people, 'Oh, you have an Alexa home surveillance device?' - they always look very perturbed.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ listener james from westwood @6:08
Oh, I hear you. Walking around our neighborhood is terrifying to see all the surveillance cams.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

When the Old Codger rode the subway, passengers had to bring their own shovels!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
listener james from westwood:

Either way, on those streets no fuckery was gonna go unwatched. Times past you only had those sorts of eyes on the streets when you wandered into areas run by the Mob.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
listener james from westwood:

The NYPD cop bot has, how does one put it, notable badonkadonk.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:08
Ach, that's a shame!

I like that I now keep an eye out for shows in Utrecht.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
David (in London):

That thing looks scarcely more advanced than the ill-fated HitchBot.
  6:10pm
Honest Bernardo from Argentina:

It looks like Grimace shaped - just not purple lol
  6:11pm
SM Ken:

I hear the distortion also. Egad. Will try to get rid of that ASAP
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Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:09
Love how you introduced me to new things in my hometown, Handy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
listener james from westwood:

Only change is for those BattleBots folks to design a wedge bot that can get under the bottom lip and check its undercarriage a bit too enthusiatically. . . .
  6:11pm
GC in Pk Slp:

Discussion earlier today on Brian Lehrer Show WNYC about the Omni card. Basically an infomercial, only touched briefly on ‘privacy concerns’. Mostly it seemed to go: we’ll all have IPhones and this’ll be super convenient. …..here’s to a future full of turnstile jumping.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Scott Williams:

↳ 7000ad @6:05
I hear the distortion now, for the 1st time today, on the pop-up live stream. Looking into it....
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
ultradamno:

They know "totally autonomous" is not reassuring, right?
  6:15pm
Honest Bernardo from Argentina:

I’m sure no one’s gonna graffiti, topple it over and trash it right? 😂
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Bas NL:

Mr. Hurst... Public Safety... MOOOHAAHAAAHAAA!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Honest Bernardo from Argentina @6:15
Well, there's been a depressing lack of vandalizing the new cameras and ad screens in the new subway cars so far.
Avatar 🤖 6:16pm
MarciB:

I use the term "tracking device" instead of phone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
ultradamno:

Well, I remember a feelgood movie called RoboCop...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Handy Haversack:

I know, every week, I'm like, I'm pretty sure I was on the subway this week, but WAS I? If only there were a better way!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
David (in London):

↳ ultradamno @6:16
An ED-209 on every street corner...
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coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:15
it is sad, the apathy.
...and that cannot be toppled over. it needs to be spray-painted, guerilla style.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
coelacanth∅:

(lenses first)
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Handy Haversack:

And let us not forget that the OMNY company made its bones with military surveillance systems (as featured on Techtonic): hellgatenyc.com...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
chresti:

It has a hello kitty kind of face -the nypd bot
  6:18pm
listener james from westwood:

Ohhh, for an ED-209, just head to some stairs.
  Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Zinn The Mood:

Hey there, comrades and Mark.

Am I a bad person for thinking lesser and wanting to put a little distance between old friends and family are have completely sold out to “convenience” in outfitting their homes and lives with all sorts of surveillance apparatus?

Asking fucking “Siri” questions answered using it to play the same old tired-ass tunes we all grew up with. It’s so lame, stupid. And moreover, dangerous.

At least my children will frequently comment to me on the ubiquity of surveillance cameras. I’ve taught them to not passively accept all this, reminding them it wasn’t like this. And I tell them it might be a good idea to someday carry some spray paint.

Teach Your Children.

Convenience is overrated, and taken to its furthest extent gonna be the end of us all.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Handy Haversack:

The 404 is a really interesting site. Highly recommended.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
chresti:

↳ chresti @6:18
Also it's shaped much like a vacuum cleaner.
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Scott Williams @6:12
Yeah, it's been pervasive during the last few shows I've heard... just a froth of distortion coating everything I've been hearing.

It seems extra bad now, as Mark is talking.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
disco_nap_:

Thank you for talking about financial abuse, Mark!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:19
FWIW, I am not hearing that on the AAC stream on VLC.
  6:20pm
Dean:

Y'all saw the NYT Magazine piece about Hank Asher?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/magazine/hank-asher-data.html

This shit is not new.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
We need more guys who say Dickian
Avatar 🤖 6:21pm
MarciB:

↳ Dean @6:20
I'm afraid to read it!
  6:22pm
Dean:

It's fascinating, MarciB.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
David (in London):

Literally every supermarket auto check-out here has a camera attached to it now, it's true. I keep some folded newspaper in my bag now, which I can hang over the lens when using one.
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Jeff Moore:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:20
Huh!

i just fired up VLC, listening to:

stream0.wfmu.org...

...and I'm hearing distortion.
  6:23pm
allyjojo:

Reuters wrote an article about RiteAid using this same type of camera surveillance
  6:23pm
listener james from westwood:

FaceTormentNexus.
  Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Zinn The Mood @6:18
(Apologies for typos and bad predictive auto-type).

Local liquor store in Astoria was broken into recently. Owner decided to install a huge wall tv screen that apparently does just what your saying.

Every time since upon entering I either train my eyes downward or out my hand in front of my face with the middle finger up.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:22
Maybe my ears are distorted? I don't know ... it doesn't seem very noticeable to me? I am trying to compare to a baseline, but it just doesn't seem to be too present?

Generally willing to admit I'm off base, though!
Avatar 🤖 6:24pm
MarciB:

↳ Dean @6:22
I'll read it ;) Just ordered Kashmir Hill's "Your Face Belongs to Us"!
  6:24pm
Dean:

VLC and distortion here, too.
  6:27pm
GC in Pk Slp:

Article worth reading, about one of the hustlers and his enablers who built some data harvesting architecture:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/magazine/hank-asher-data.html?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
PaulRobeson1923:

Will The Can? be subject to servilsnce? “We’ve noticed u U have been in here longer than 60% of users… do u want to buy flax?”

Hi Hi Hi
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:27pm
Handy Haversack:

I've yet to see it in the TS station. I wonder how often its trained on harassing the asylum migrants selling fruit and gum in there. Seems like all subway cops are interested in lately is chasing them away.
  6:28pm
Catherine M.:

Today in Whole Foods I had the option of "paying with my palm." I had a little ad hoc conversation with other customers in line, and they were as horrified as I was, but I wondered if they would have noticed if I hadnt called their attention to it.
  6:28pm
queems:

one more thing that sucks about the phillies
  6:28pm
Dean:

Are you stalking me, GC in Pk Slp? I *just* rec'd that NYT piece up-thread!
  6:28pm
SM Ken:

Yeah distortion is on the MP3 stream only. Trying to isolate it right now, sorry all!
Avatar 🤖 6:29pm
herb.nyc:

Thanks for surveillance of our faces, Phillies. And then you beat our (lowly) Mets. 4x in past 4 days.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
PaulRobeson1923:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:27
“This Can has noticed…”
  6:30pm
queems:

it was brutal to watch
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ultradamno:

The person you will talk to about it will be the Phillie Phanatic
Avatar 🤖 6:30pm
MarciB:

I get so frustrated when ppl say "that ship has sailed" or "I don't have anything to hide" etc
Avatar 🤖 6:32pm
herb.nyc:

NYPD drones? Listen to npr’s REVEAL program, yest’s edition. We learn about brave journalists in El Salvador, and how the govt is watching them. Like, a drone entered their living room. ——
The Spy Inside Your Smartphone
Around the globe, journalists, human rights activists, scholars and others are facing digital attacks from Pegasus, military-grade spyware originally developed to go after criminals. ... Sep 23, 2023
  6:33pm
Dean:

Agree, MarciB. Everybody has something to hide. Why? Because we're all little cheaters and crooks? No! It's because we all have SSNs, bank account numbers, credit card numbers... Who in the hell thinks they have nothing to keep under wraps?!
Avatar 6:34pm
Fredericks:

Corporatism: Big business and big government working in tandem.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
The Butterman:

Just got back from three day trip to Florida. Heavy heavy pat downs for me. Then the palm swab they did to me alarmed on the machine and they did an even more thorough pst down all while this TSA lady worker was angry-yelling at everyone and slamming down the bins creating total fucking chaos. Then several delays and the new terminal A at Newark is even worse than the old one. Flying is a traumatic experience. All the tech has made it 1000 times worse. But the plane flew well and landed safely.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Bas NL:

I caught my mother reading a newspaper in the garden on G**gle Earth.
  6:35pm
Dean:

Answering my own rhetorical question, I can think of one person who has nothing to hide, the fictional Crates of Thebes in Marcel Schwob's "Crates, Cynic," a profile appearing in Schwob's Imaginary Lives.
Avatar 🤖 6:35pm
MarciB:

↳ Dean @6:33
Folks think I'm being paranoid -since I am a dyed in the wool privacy advocate (as we all are here, I'd say!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ David (in London) @6:22
it makes sense self-checkout has cameras.
i don't use them. i now boycot the closest, by far most convenient do-it-yourself store (lowes).
i do occasionally go in, see that they still and apparently permanently don't employ check-out people; go gather up a bunch of stuff and go up to the self checkout, ask the attendant if self-checkout is the only option then dump all my stuff on the counter and leave.
  6:36pm
David (in London):

NYPD Blue becomes NYPD Drone. Sigh.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:36pm
Handy Haversack:

I cannot believe we cop-mayored ourselves.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
PaulRobeson1923:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:29
“You have blood in yer…” how long till the Cans are smart
Avatar 6:38pm
sensisio:

l always learn a lot here :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
ultradamno:

nypost.com...
Avatar 6:39pm
Fredericks:

Ubiquitous. Is the word you were looking for, I believe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
coelacanth∅:

there was a mayor maybe 12 years ago -i've forgotten what town -
that passed an ordinance to give the right to shoot down drones when they're being intrusive.
of course it got defeated in higher courts, but he said he wanted to make a statement.
a fucking hero.
not many of them though.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Handy Haversack:

K8 has a work laptop from the NYC Board of Ed now, and it won't let me install another browser or even add any privacy extensions to Chrome, the default browser on it. More, she can't even ACCESS DuckDuckGo search when on the school's network! They are FORCED to make every web search on Google so that the lifetime dossiers on the kids, who are all now trammeled into Google Classroom, can be compiled more thoroughly.

Who won the pandemic? Google.
Avatar 🤖 6:41pm
MarciB:

What is incredibly frustrating is that if you are a service-based business, not appearing in Google's first page results = much less business. Ask me how I know ;(
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
disco_nap_:

This news makes me extra glad I listened to Mark and switched from Chrome to Firefox a while back
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Dano59:

... maybe we should flip the script on the tech corporations and govt agencies and start using 'privacy-invasion advocates' before their name. Every time. until the mainstream catches on.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ disco_nap_ @6:44
And Mark would tell you to get off Firefox, which accepts millions from Google every year for ... something.

But at least you can install privacy extensions on it.
  Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Zinn The Mood:

↳ Catherine M. @6:28
Very important what you intuitively did there.
*Always* speak up and out in public in situations like these. There are many more than we’re conditioned into believing that agree with us but just passively go along with whatever the latest is. All the more important with the rapidity of changes flurrying around us.
We have to speak out more in public about all of these nightmarish developments.
  Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
SeaCreature:

Not looking forward to this week’s laptop “upgrade” can’t imagine what kinda crap’ll be on there, since the AI bot said Hi last month. XRay was right.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
coelacanth∅:

i haven't used chrome since the first year it was released. there's no reason to.
  6:46pm
Dean:

One could do worse than start with Nissenbaum's Obfuscation: A User's Guide for Privacy and Protest. It's a bit dated, but still an inspiring, informative read.
https://direct.mit.edu/books/book/3112/ObfuscationA-User-s-Guide-for-Privacy-and-Protest
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Dano59:

"ExPLODER" one sponsor wag said at Lilith Fair when I said I couldn't register on their website.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "Mark's comments"
S-car-go?
  6:47pm
Dean:

Obfuscation, by the way, is open access.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
coelacanth∅:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:45
i've been thinking for a few years there's something smelly festering within firefox
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ coelacanth∅ @6:47
Yeah. The answer seems increasingly to be "Get Off the Internet."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
disco_nap_:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:45
Dang really? Disappointed but not surprised
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Some new cars have cameras pointed at the driver's face, supposedly to beep a warning if they sense the person falling asleep.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:22
OK, I am noticing it now. I needed a second drink to clear my brain up.
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Dano59:

↳ Bas NL @6:34
Giggle Urff definitely knows all the crap cars I've owned over the years. I was even able to read the license plates..
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coelacanth∅:

obviously tesla
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ultradamno:

But at least they will all crash themselves eventually
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MarciB:

Tesla owners are so proud of their cars - I don't get it
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listener james from westwood:

My surprised face, this is.
  6:50pm
Dean:

I dunno, my VW downloads firmware now and then. Weird.
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Bas NL:

↳ Dano59 @6:49
Urff indeed! :|
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MarciB:

Grateful our 2013 Mini - with a CD player - is blissfully analog that way.
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The Butterman:

If your doin’ it in the car.
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chresti:

↳ Jeff Moore @6:22
Hearing distortion just now through my earbuds via iphone app
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PaulRobeson1923:

Wow! The sexual life of Sopwith! Is stranger than that of the man!
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disco_nap_:

You tell em, Mark!!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ MarciB @6:51
We've been on a sustained doonwards trajectory since power windows came around. Rush saw it coming.
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Blobs:

Preach, Mark!
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The Butterman:

Why don’t we do it in the road. No one will be watching us…wait…
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MarciB:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
Yes!
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PaulRobeson1923:

1st The Car. Next The Can.
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ultradamno:

I had the computer in my car flip out once. Every hazard alert started going off and it slowed down to a crawl. I was close enough to home to get there. But after it sat for awhile it was fine, like a reboot.
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disco_nap_:

↳ The Butterman @6:54
I lol'd irl
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chresti:

↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:54
Can is first?
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rsj:

2012, mayans were right
  6:55pm
Dean:

Cars? Everything started to go wrong in 1908. Model T. Henry Ford, fuck that guy.
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Handy Haversack:

Stupid Daleks!

Thanks, Mark! This was a great one. Keep raging against the Machine! We sure need your voice out there.

Don't buy anything!
  6:55pm
queems:

i’m riding my 2010 honda into the ground
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dale:

get a renault alliance. they were the motor trend car of the year in 85 or 86.
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Deano de los Muertos:

My 2005 Prius is on its last legs
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ultradamno:

Model T is frequently cited among the worst cars ever....
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disco_nap_:

Stop shopping 🎶 revbilly.com
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PaulRobeson1923:

↳ chresti @6:55
Alphabetically!
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Blobs:

Mark, what do you say to the people who say they don’t care about maintaining privacy because they “don’t do anything wrong”?
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Fredericks:

I'm wrapping myself in tin foil and riding a tricycle.
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Handy Haversack:

We have a 2003 Toyota. Might be our forever car.
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chresti:

97 Buick
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Dano59:

I have been wanting a Honda but I heard from a parts manager today that parts for even a 2015 model are nearly impossible to find. I imagine the UAW strike is going to affect this for many car owners trying to get repairs requiring parts
  6:57pm
SSS:

I hate to point it out (and not that I approve) but I bet it is to protect against claims when an accident is caused by a certain sex act while in motion....In a car.....a fast car....
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Ken From Hyde Park:

I'm pretty sure the electronic license plates are spying on us, too. www.thedrive.com... Thanks, Mark!
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MarciB:

I have LG washer but don't need to use any stinking apps to use it! thank goodness
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dale:

have an lg washer and dryer. they report back to lg what cycles i use and lg sends me an email telling me when to run a 'clean' cycle.
  6:57pm
P-90:

Thanks @Mark!
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PaulRobeson1923:

Thank U u
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chresti:

I hope the rice cooker doesn't spy on people!
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Deano de los Muertos:

Thanks Mark
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Song: "Destroy All Data" by "Lulu Lewis"
Yay, Lulu Lewis!
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Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! Great show!
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Blobs:

@SSS that makes sense. And is also the perfect bogeyman to implement a creepy policy.
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Blobs:

Peace, Mark - thank you.
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sensisio:

↳ Ken From Hyde Park @6:48
yeeesh!!
  6:59pm
Dean:

Remember the good ol' days of "If this van's a-rockin', don't come a-knockin'"?
  6:59pm
GiB:

mosquitoes net drone trap?
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Dano59:

↳ chresti @6:58
that darned microwave Sarah Palin warned us about
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chresti:

↳ SSS @6:57
Makes sense.
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
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listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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