WFMU: Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from June 16, 2024

Listener comments!
	6:00pm Ivan from Woodbridge: Welcome to the slot!
	6:00pm newton: I see dead people
	6:04pm HyperDose: Who conjured us back to the land of the living? I was having a great dream!
	6:04pm newton: this vivaldi cat is really smoakin', like it's winter down under
	6:07pm spodiodi: Greetings, Carol and all
	6:07pm waverly_7: Oh how brilliant!
	6:10pm gaucho: Didn’t realize how badly Vivaldi needed a drummer til now
	6:11pm newton: Im guessing Vivaldi means "alive" and so a wry choice to start the set.
	6:11pm spodiodi: Greetings, Colin as well
	6:12pm HyperDose: Oh no! Carol got stuck in the vast digital landscape!
	6:12pm tom tom the pipers son: greetings C&C welcome to your regular spot...hello all
	6:16pm gauche knee: truly loved the rawness of that talking segment. looking fwd to a summer’s journey via C & C!
	6:17pm waverly_7: Angels
	6:17pm Eugene R: I always like Bethany Ryker ("A440/Stochastic Hit Parade") who declined the term "classical" music for her show, since much of the music she played was less than 15 years old. She liked "symphonic".
	6:20pm Dean: Oh, my, this seems very promising. I myself am just now playing Sviatoslav Richter, a Haydn sonata. But I'll have to turn it off to tune in.
	6:20pm tom tom the pipers son: i might lean towards beach boys being classical...pet sounds like schubert leider
	6:21pm tom tom the pipers son: i tend to think of beatles as english music hall
	🎻 6:22pm chresti: Hi Cullan and Carol and dead people show!
	6:22pm Dean: But there's no risk of playing too much classical music, and so you can't be fired!
	6:22pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:20 but then elvis costello leans toward 14C madrigals, he might as well record with Fretwork
	6:23pm Dean: Elvis Costello with Fretwork...please, lord, no.
	🎻 6:23pm chresti: As long as they're dead it's ok.
	6:23pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:23 he could be the new Emma Kirkby
	6:24pm Dean: There's still an Emma Kirkby, though. We don't need a new one. And except for Gothic Voices, she didn't venture that far back.
	6:26pm Dean: btw, I work with a woman whose mother was with Kirkby another soprano on the famous Hogwood recording of Messiah.
	6:27pm Dean: NFAK is obviously riffing on "Within You, Without You."
	6:29pm Dean: And as I listen, I realize that Gwen Stefani found inspiration from NFAK for "Hollaback Girl." Okay, four comments in a row. I'll keep quiet for a while.
	6:29pm newton: judith nelson? Carolyn watkinson?
	6:29pm Not Dean: Judith
	6:30pm tom tom the pipers son: i remember elvis costello had lou reed as a guest on his talk show, they did a song together and costello literally was not fit to share the stage with reed, he squirmed in his pants and revealed himself as the poseur that he is
	6:31pm newton: Judith nelson's domine deus from Gloria D is mindblowing
	6:32pm Eugene R: Delphine Blue played Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan on her show last night, "Mustt Mustt" (the Massive Attack remix). WFMU "Hot list", for sure!
	6:33pm Dean: She was a marvelous singer. I attended her memorial, where Emma Kirkby sang.
	6:33pm newton: ↳ newton @6:31 her sensitivity and control are perfection
	6:34pm The Butterman: Nusrat or Sabri Bros?
	6:36pm The Butterman: So great, either way!
	6:36pm HyperDose: That was excellent!
	6:37pm Bob Barth: Carol's a firecracker
	6:38pm tom tom the pipers son: maybe it's a level of abstraction
	6:39pm Dean: @newton: Mozart Gloria? M-O-Z-A-R-T G-L-O-R-I-A It's all about class. There are no (or few) rules. Depends on where you come from or for whom you play or compose.
	6:41pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:39 no, I was thinking of Vivaldi R. 589 Academy of Ancient Music
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @6:39 didn't mozart perform for different social strata?
	6:42pm Carmichael: Heya C&C. Welcome to Father’s Day.
	6:43pm Dean: Oh, good. I think I have that Vivaldi album. Thanks. I dunno about Mozart's demographic exposure. Could be, but largely, "classical" composers depended on patrons.
	6:45pm Dean: The fact of the matter is that if you spend a few months comparing recordings of Shostakovich's Preludes & Fugues you will have gotten a valuable education. Love Manze and Podger! This is when both of them were hella youngster.
	6:49pm Dean: (Y'all know that Barry Guy played frequently with the AAM, right?)
	6:50pm Tommy in Neversink: This show make this eclectic station even more eclectic
	6:51pm ViolaChica: ↳ Bob Barth @6:37 Haha! Thanks Bob! I try....
	6:51pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:49 and he played on Japan's Gentlemen Take Polaroids!
	6:52pm ViolaChica: I was fortunate to perform with her in Montreal. Was amazing...especially after knowing her recordings from Music History class in during my Bachelor's degree days.
	6:52pm Dean: Did he?! I saw Japan at the Whisky, second album tour, but I soon lost interest in Sylvian's ramblings. I also interviewed Vivabeat when for a moment Rob Dean, formerly of Japan, joined that band.
	6:52pm ViolaChica: ↳ Tommy in Neversink @6:50 THANK YOU!! <3 <3
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:45 ...and hella Ah-MAZING!
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:12 Thank you for the welcome and being here with us!
	6:53pm Dean: @ViolaChica: With Rachel Podger, I'm guessing. Wow. Just wow.
	6:53pm tom tom the pipers son: for some reason i respond to bach's piano, organ and harpsichord work more than strings but my ears are not really trained on it
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ HyperDose @6:12 Ha! I have emerged! Thank goodness...
	6:54pm ViolaChica: ↳ Ivan from Woodbridge @6:00 <3 so happy to be here!
	6:54pm Dean: I am acquiring the entire Benjamin Alard series of complete Bach keyboard works, one by one. Go for it, tom tom the pipers son.
	6:55pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:53 hang tight...it's coming up...I grew up on Bach organ works - Walcha Archive label...so it is def on my favorites...and thanks to my Dad for introducing it to me. So shoutout to him on Father's Day and all the fathers here!!
	6:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @6:52 david sylvian album "blemish" in good
	6:56pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:53 Emma Kirkby actually...
	6:56pm Dean: Shout out to a dad who introduced his kid to Helmut Walcha, yes!
	6:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:55 is good oy
	6:57pm newton: A few weeks ago I restored a tin violin (1/4) that had been made at the turn of the century as a toy. m ebony wedge under the tin fingerboard, new carved pegs, vienna strings, and a chin rest. Since it is 1/4 it is too small for my hands and fat fingers. :(
	6:57pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:56 Oh man yes! I was like 3 and 4 years old and I begged to hear the records...blasted with the bass making the house shake! HA!
	6:57pm Dean: Oh, even more wow! I adore Emma in Andrew Parrott's fine recording of Purcell's Dido & Aeneas.
	7:02pm JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:41 Yeah. The magic flute was meant for the masses. It was all about who could pay for the work.
	🎻 7:02pm chresti: Good thing there's a playlist @wfmu.org!
	7:02pm Dean: I named one of my kids after JSB. Why? Because Bach can do no wrong. Read Richard Taruskin on "historical" performance. He was a sassy scholar when it came to that question.
	7:02pm Bob Barth: WFMU (bring your own sound fx)
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: my father did amazing colorings for me in my coloring books and introduced me to painting...an old painting in avatar
	7:03pm Dean: Size matters.
	7:03pm newton: the Consort of musicke
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @7:02 thx
	7:04pm Dean: Think Itzhak Perlman's quite beautiful traversal of the Sonatas & Partitas. Old violin, new performance style.
	7:05pm Dean: Early Baroque auto-tune was quite crude, too.
	7:07pm newton: even my clavicle is bad tempered
	7:07pm persimmon: Are dementia jokes funny?
	7:08pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: A show where people call in about early music instruments. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Welcome to WFMU.
	7:08pm ness: Excited for this new show!
	7:09pm tom tom the pipers son: i think we gravitated here sensing fun
	7:11pm Bob Barth: Carrying on the long tradition of DJ's disappointing Ken
	7:14pm newton: ↳ Bob Barth @7:11 if ken were told he couldn't play sugar plum faerie or anything else he would shortly play every version and mashup of it he could find
	7:15pm Bob Barth: ↳ newton @7:14 if and only if he knew it would annoy his listeners
	7:16pm tom tom the pipers son: unfortunately for some, it's that systemic abuse that makes the music 'classical'
	7:17pm newton: classical sexual abuse v. avant-garde sexual abuse?
	7:18pm JReganK: Thanks, Carol and Cullan for confirming what a sick society we live in.
	7:18pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:16 unfortunately 'classical' for some. means male domination
	7:19pm tom tom the pipers son: @cullan thx for the info
	7:20pm Dean: Tchaikovsky's work is beautiful. It's familiar, and so it risks being trite, but those ballets are simply sublime. And I mean, if you want to enlist folks to ally with LGBTQ+, then you can't go wrong with Tchaikovsky. No, classical does not "mean" male domination. Its course implicates plenty of male domination, but it is not identical with it.
	7:20pm JReganK: Every time I see a nebbishy music teacher I'l see a sexual predator.
	7:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:17 well that makes me think of one case on murder
	7:21pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:20 considered as one of the fine arts?
	7:21pm Dean: I have a ton of Walcha's recordings, but folks, check out Alard.
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @7:20 ok thanks
	🎻 7:21pm chresti: Tchaikovsky was one of my mom's favorites
	7:21pm ness: I love plowing through and playing coin toss on the record failure.
	7:22pm JReganK: No wonder Bach had 20 kids.
	7:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:17 i think a different type of institutionalization
	7:22pm newton: ↳ Dean @7:21 the complete works for keyboard?
	7:22pm ViolaChica: ↳ chresti @7:21 no offense to Tchaikovsky...or your Mom! I love Tchaikovsky too!! We both do....and we have played some on the air.
	7:22pm Dean: @JReganK: Somebody had to say it, and I am grateful to you for sacrificing yourself to the punch line.
	7:23pm Dean: Yes, Alard on Harmonia Mundi, now up to nine multi-disc volumes.
	7:23pm JReganK: ↳ Dean @7:22 Your welcome?
	7:23pm JReganK: ↳ JReganK @7:23 You're
	7:23pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:21 avant gardism is a term not really on terra firma theses days...is it?
	7:24pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:23 no less than terra firma?
	7:24pm JReganK: Pardon my grammar. I'm a few whiskeys in.
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:24 meaning what is avant garde today...the market?
	7:26pm Gravitas Ridiculas: Nothing to forgive :)
	7:27pm Laura: I love Bach :)
	7:27pm Gravitas Ridiculas: This sounds extremely similar to a piece that Nobuo Uematsu composed for Final Fantasy 6; a section of "Dancing Mad." Almost absolutely positive he borrowed heavily in terms of inspiration from the organ composition
	7:28pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:26 The market? To a marxist or a capitalist? I have no idea.
	7:30pm Gravitas Ridiculas: Modern technology makes many beautiful things possible :)
	7:31pm Dean: You should play The Residents, "Bach Is Dead."
	7:31pm tom tom the pipers son: 'it is what it is' as they say i don't think the market differs for marxist or capitalists, only ones involvement with it
	7:33pm JReganK: Personally, I prefer to think of history's great composers as alien geniuses rather than lecherous scumbags.
	7:33pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:31 is it their involvement in it? or how they interpret it, what/who it represents
	7:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:31 but this has gotten away from talking about institutional abuse in the classical music world...
	7:35pm ViolaChica: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:08 Thank you for the HUGE compliment! We are thrilled to be here.
	7:36pm ViolaChica: Why is this chat making me do a math problem every time I post? lol
	7:36pm Gravitas Ridiculas: ↳ ViolaChica @7:35 We're all lucky to have you :D
	7:36pm ViolaChica: 758 was the last answer...gah!!
	7:37pm ViolaChica: ↳ Gravitas Ridiculas @7:36 <3 <3 <3 !!!!
	7:37pm ViolaChica: 506....HELP!? hahahah
	7:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:33 how they interpret it, but hasn't the dominance of the market compromised the idea of the avant garde, btw not trying to paint a "market determines all picture" just trying to locate an avant garde
	7:38pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:33 I agree, but also want to ask if institutional in this sense is different from rampant, is there an unwritten institutional policy that this abuse should happen, or is abuse in relationships, especially with power imbalances a thing that we see in cultures and times across the boards?
	7:39pm LesleyK: Hi Becky! Tuning in from Scotland right now but also need to hit the sack soon, as I have to jump on a train tomorrow morning. Thanks for the bed time tunes 😊
	7:40pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:38 avant garde is always on the move, it is always being co-opted by and subsumed into the bourgeoise, forgive me, marketplace
	7:40pm LesleyK: Oops wrong chat 😭... sorry
	7:41pm LesleyK: This looks good too though! 😁
	7:41pm newton: ↳ newton @7:40 and so it must constantly disavow its priors and reinvent
	7:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:38 i think when abuse enters an institution it becomes a sort of a folkway
	7:46pm JReganK: ↳ Song: "Piano Sonata #7, Op 83" by "Serge Prokofieff" I'm not sure what amazes me more. That the Soviet regime didn't find Prokofiev's work perverse or that he remained loyal to the regime his entire life.
	7:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:41 i think, in some sense, the avant garde is sort of elephant now, and we are the blind men trying to describe it in relation to modernism history is so fragmented, thje prospect of getting a handle on an avant garde seems out of reach
	7:52pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:48 I dont know that the avant garde is something we need to get a handle on. It is changing, fleeting, always was, we are blind, always have been despite our protestations. Of course we try to see, we say a lot about it, sometimes it is reassuring, but Im not convinced anyone really sees. Still worth the effort though
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:38 a teacher attempted to seduce me in college when i visited her studio, not clear if it was because of individual power dynamic or she felt she had permission to do it
	7:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:52 i can get with that
	7:56pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:54 I was molested by my chemistry teacher, and I went to my counselor who told me 3 days later that she spoke to him and that I was lying and a bad person and that I could have ruined this person's life with this false accusation.
	7:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks cullan and carol have a great week...
	🎻 7:57pm chresti: ↳ ViolaChica @7:37 Log in?
	7:57pm Ike: ↳ ViolaChica @7:37 My theory is: 1. The math Captcha is unique and easier than those stupid blurry visual Captchas. 2. It slows down or stops drunk commenters. 3. It confuses trolls.
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:56 horrible
	7:58pm newton: Carol and Cullan we love you and the music you are bringing. Next time I will keep on the topic of your music
	7:58pm Ike: But yeah, like Chresti says, if you create an account and log in, you don’t have to do the math Captcha.
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: saw that place on tv
	7:58pm cricket: hey guys, so sorry to have missed most of tonight’s episode, but loving what i’ve heard so far, as expected! can’t wait to listen to the archive later
	7:59pm Gravitas Ridiculas: can't wait to hear more from you Carol & Cullan! :)
	7:59pm Dean: I don't like creating accounts. It's why I've never registered to vote or voted.
	🎻 8:00pm chresti: Thanks Carol and Cullan!
	8:01pm radioronan: Thanks Carol & Cullen! Cheers y'all!
	8:01pm Dean: Register to vote? Fuck you, USA. I'm a citizen, you know it, and cut out the bureaucratic bullshit.
	8:01pm Dean: This was a splendid show! I look forward to future weeks.
	7:21am Jan Turkenburg: another great episode. Thank you, Carol and Cullan!

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from June 16, 2024

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From the most profound classical music recordings ever made, to genres and musical perspectives from around the globe, talk on music, art and recordings that changed our lives and the world around us. Tune-in as we explore why we only listen to "dead" people, and what is "alive" in music today. Special guests, call-ins welcome.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	Approx. start time
Norio Maeda Trio	Vivaldi "Summer" from The Four Seasons	Modern Vivaldi			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Beatles	Because "Because" by "The Beatles"	Anthology 3	Apple	Isolated vocal tracks	0:15:00 (Pop-up)
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party	Shamas-ud-Doha, Badar-ud-Doja	Shahen Shah			0:37:50 (Pop-up)
J.S. Bach	Double Concerto in d minor, BWV 1043			Andrew Manze & Rachel Podger, violins; Academy of Ancient Music	0:44:48 (Pop-up)
Monty Python	I Bet You They Won't Play This Song on the Radio	The Final Ripoff			1:09:21 (Pop-up)
J.S. Bach	Prelude & Fugue in G, BWV 541			Helmut Walcha, organ	1:22:01 (Pop-up)
Serge Prokofieff	Piano Sonata #7, Op 83			Sviatoslav Richter, piano	1:40:22 (Pop-up)
Fonola Band	Bella Ciao "Bella Ciao" by "Fonola Band"

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm Ivan from Woodbridge: Welcome to the slot!
	6:00pm newton: I see dead people
	6:04pm HyperDose: Who conjured us back to the land of the living? I was having a great dream!
	6:04pm newton: this vivaldi cat is really smoakin', like it's winter down under
	6:07pm spodiodi: Greetings, Carol and all
	6:07pm waverly_7: Oh how brilliant!
	6:10pm gaucho: Didn’t realize how badly Vivaldi needed a drummer til now
	6:11pm newton: Im guessing Vivaldi means "alive" and so a wry choice to start the set.
	6:11pm spodiodi: Greetings, Colin as well
	6:12pm HyperDose: Oh no! Carol got stuck in the vast digital landscape!
	6:12pm tom tom the pipers son: greetings C&C welcome to your regular spot...hello all
	6:16pm gauche knee: truly loved the rawness of that talking segment. looking fwd to a summer’s journey via C & C!
	6:17pm waverly_7: Angels
	6:17pm Eugene R: I always like Bethany Ryker ("A440/Stochastic Hit Parade") who declined the term "classical" music for her show, since much of the music she played was less than 15 years old. She liked "symphonic".
	6:20pm Dean: Oh, my, this seems very promising. I myself am just now playing Sviatoslav Richter, a Haydn sonata. But I'll have to turn it off to tune in.
	6:20pm tom tom the pipers son: i might lean towards beach boys being classical...pet sounds like schubert leider
	6:21pm tom tom the pipers son: i tend to think of beatles as english music hall
	🎻 6:22pm chresti: Hi Cullan and Carol and dead people show!
	6:22pm Dean: But there's no risk of playing too much classical music, and so you can't be fired!
	6:22pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:20 but then elvis costello leans toward 14C madrigals, he might as well record with Fretwork
	6:23pm Dean: Elvis Costello with Fretwork...please, lord, no.
	🎻 6:23pm chresti: As long as they're dead it's ok.
	6:23pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:23 he could be the new Emma Kirkby
	6:24pm Dean: There's still an Emma Kirkby, though. We don't need a new one. And except for Gothic Voices, she didn't venture that far back.
	6:26pm Dean: btw, I work with a woman whose mother was with Kirkby another soprano on the famous Hogwood recording of Messiah.
	6:27pm Dean: NFAK is obviously riffing on "Within You, Without You."
	6:29pm Dean: And as I listen, I realize that Gwen Stefani found inspiration from NFAK for "Hollaback Girl." Okay, four comments in a row. I'll keep quiet for a while.
	6:29pm newton: judith nelson? Carolyn watkinson?
	6:29pm Not Dean: Judith
	6:30pm tom tom the pipers son: i remember elvis costello had lou reed as a guest on his talk show, they did a song together and costello literally was not fit to share the stage with reed, he squirmed in his pants and revealed himself as the poseur that he is
	6:31pm newton: Judith nelson's domine deus from Gloria D is mindblowing
	6:32pm Eugene R: Delphine Blue played Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan on her show last night, "Mustt Mustt" (the Massive Attack remix). WFMU "Hot list", for sure!
	6:33pm Dean: She was a marvelous singer. I attended her memorial, where Emma Kirkby sang.
	6:33pm newton: ↳ newton @6:31 her sensitivity and control are perfection
	6:34pm The Butterman: Nusrat or Sabri Bros?
	6:36pm The Butterman: So great, either way!
	6:36pm HyperDose: That was excellent!
	6:37pm Bob Barth: Carol's a firecracker
	6:38pm tom tom the pipers son: maybe it's a level of abstraction
	6:39pm Dean: @newton: Mozart Gloria? M-O-Z-A-R-T G-L-O-R-I-A It's all about class. There are no (or few) rules. Depends on where you come from or for whom you play or compose.
	6:41pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:39 no, I was thinking of Vivaldi R. 589 Academy of Ancient Music
	6:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @6:39 didn't mozart perform for different social strata?
	6:42pm Carmichael: Heya C&C. Welcome to Father’s Day.
	6:43pm Dean: Oh, good. I think I have that Vivaldi album. Thanks. I dunno about Mozart's demographic exposure. Could be, but largely, "classical" composers depended on patrons.
	6:45pm Dean: The fact of the matter is that if you spend a few months comparing recordings of Shostakovich's Preludes & Fugues you will have gotten a valuable education. Love Manze and Podger! This is when both of them were hella youngster.
	6:49pm Dean: (Y'all know that Barry Guy played frequently with the AAM, right?)
	6:50pm Tommy in Neversink: This show make this eclectic station even more eclectic
	6:51pm ViolaChica: ↳ Bob Barth @6:37 Haha! Thanks Bob! I try....
	6:51pm newton: ↳ Dean @6:49 and he played on Japan's Gentlemen Take Polaroids!
	6:52pm ViolaChica: I was fortunate to perform with her in Montreal. Was amazing...especially after knowing her recordings from Music History class in during my Bachelor's degree days.
	6:52pm Dean: Did he?! I saw Japan at the Whisky, second album tour, but I soon lost interest in Sylvian's ramblings. I also interviewed Vivabeat when for a moment Rob Dean, formerly of Japan, joined that band.
	6:52pm ViolaChica: ↳ Tommy in Neversink @6:50 THANK YOU!! <3 <3
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:45 ...and hella Ah-MAZING!
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:12 Thank you for the welcome and being here with us!
	6:53pm Dean: @ViolaChica: With Rachel Podger, I'm guessing. Wow. Just wow.
	6:53pm tom tom the pipers son: for some reason i respond to bach's piano, organ and harpsichord work more than strings but my ears are not really trained on it
	6:53pm ViolaChica: ↳ HyperDose @6:12 Ha! I have emerged! Thank goodness...
	6:54pm ViolaChica: ↳ Ivan from Woodbridge @6:00 <3 so happy to be here!
	6:54pm Dean: I am acquiring the entire Benjamin Alard series of complete Bach keyboard works, one by one. Go for it, tom tom the pipers son.
	6:55pm ViolaChica: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:53 hang tight...it's coming up...I grew up on Bach organ works - Walcha Archive label...so it is def on my favorites...and thanks to my Dad for introducing it to me. So shoutout to him on Father's Day and all the fathers here!!
	6:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @6:52 david sylvian album "blemish" in good
	6:56pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:53 Emma Kirkby actually...
	6:56pm Dean: Shout out to a dad who introduced his kid to Helmut Walcha, yes!
	6:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:55 is good oy
	6:57pm newton: A few weeks ago I restored a tin violin (1/4) that had been made at the turn of the century as a toy. m ebony wedge under the tin fingerboard, new carved pegs, vienna strings, and a chin rest. Since it is 1/4 it is too small for my hands and fat fingers. :(
	6:57pm ViolaChica: ↳ Dean @6:56 Oh man yes! I was like 3 and 4 years old and I begged to hear the records...blasted with the bass making the house shake! HA!
	6:57pm Dean: Oh, even more wow! I adore Emma in Andrew Parrott's fine recording of Purcell's Dido & Aeneas.
	7:02pm JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @6:41 Yeah. The magic flute was meant for the masses. It was all about who could pay for the work.
	🎻 7:02pm chresti: Good thing there's a playlist @wfmu.org!
	7:02pm Dean: I named one of my kids after JSB. Why? Because Bach can do no wrong. Read Richard Taruskin on "historical" performance. He was a sassy scholar when it came to that question.
	7:02pm Bob Barth: WFMU (bring your own sound fx)
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: my father did amazing colorings for me in my coloring books and introduced me to painting...an old painting in avatar
	7:03pm Dean: Size matters.
	7:03pm newton: the Consort of musicke
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @7:02 thx
	7:04pm Dean: Think Itzhak Perlman's quite beautiful traversal of the Sonatas & Partitas. Old violin, new performance style.
	7:05pm Dean: Early Baroque auto-tune was quite crude, too.
	7:07pm newton: even my clavicle is bad tempered
	7:07pm persimmon: Are dementia jokes funny?
	7:08pm Peter from Saranac Lake NY: A show where people call in about early music instruments. THAT'S what I'm talking about. Welcome to WFMU.
	7:08pm ness: Excited for this new show!
	7:09pm tom tom the pipers son: i think we gravitated here sensing fun
	7:11pm Bob Barth: Carrying on the long tradition of DJ's disappointing Ken
	7:14pm newton: ↳ Bob Barth @7:11 if ken were told he couldn't play sugar plum faerie or anything else he would shortly play every version and mashup of it he could find
	7:15pm Bob Barth: ↳ newton @7:14 if and only if he knew it would annoy his listeners
	7:16pm tom tom the pipers son: unfortunately for some, it's that systemic abuse that makes the music 'classical'
	7:17pm newton: classical sexual abuse v. avant-garde sexual abuse?
	7:18pm JReganK: Thanks, Carol and Cullan for confirming what a sick society we live in.
	7:18pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:16 unfortunately 'classical' for some. means male domination
	7:19pm tom tom the pipers son: @cullan thx for the info
	7:20pm Dean: Tchaikovsky's work is beautiful. It's familiar, and so it risks being trite, but those ballets are simply sublime. And I mean, if you want to enlist folks to ally with LGBTQ+, then you can't go wrong with Tchaikovsky. No, classical does not "mean" male domination. Its course implicates plenty of male domination, but it is not identical with it.
	7:20pm JReganK: Every time I see a nebbishy music teacher I'l see a sexual predator.
	7:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:17 well that makes me think of one case on murder
	7:21pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:20 considered as one of the fine arts?
	7:21pm Dean: I have a ton of Walcha's recordings, but folks, check out Alard.
	7:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @7:20 ok thanks
	🎻 7:21pm chresti: Tchaikovsky was one of my mom's favorites
	7:21pm ness: I love plowing through and playing coin toss on the record failure.
	7:22pm JReganK: No wonder Bach had 20 kids.
	7:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:17 i think a different type of institutionalization
	7:22pm newton: ↳ Dean @7:21 the complete works for keyboard?
	7:22pm ViolaChica: ↳ chresti @7:21 no offense to Tchaikovsky...or your Mom! I love Tchaikovsky too!! We both do....and we have played some on the air.
	7:22pm Dean: @JReganK: Somebody had to say it, and I am grateful to you for sacrificing yourself to the punch line.
	7:23pm Dean: Yes, Alard on Harmonia Mundi, now up to nine multi-disc volumes.
	7:23pm JReganK: ↳ Dean @7:22 Your welcome?
	7:23pm JReganK: ↳ JReganK @7:23 You're
	7:23pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:21 avant gardism is a term not really on terra firma theses days...is it?
	7:24pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:23 no less than terra firma?
	7:24pm JReganK: Pardon my grammar. I'm a few whiskeys in.
	7:26pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:24 meaning what is avant garde today...the market?
	7:26pm Gravitas Ridiculas: Nothing to forgive :)
	7:27pm Laura: I love Bach :)
	7:27pm Gravitas Ridiculas: This sounds extremely similar to a piece that Nobuo Uematsu composed for Final Fantasy 6; a section of "Dancing Mad." Almost absolutely positive he borrowed heavily in terms of inspiration from the organ composition
	7:28pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:26 The market? To a marxist or a capitalist? I have no idea.
	7:30pm Gravitas Ridiculas: Modern technology makes many beautiful things possible :)
	7:31pm Dean: You should play The Residents, "Bach Is Dead."
	7:31pm tom tom the pipers son: 'it is what it is' as they say i don't think the market differs for marxist or capitalists, only ones involvement with it
	7:33pm JReganK: Personally, I prefer to think of history's great composers as alien geniuses rather than lecherous scumbags.
	7:33pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:31 is it their involvement in it? or how they interpret it, what/who it represents
	7:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:31 but this has gotten away from talking about institutional abuse in the classical music world...
	7:35pm ViolaChica: ↳ Peter from Saranac Lake NY @7:08 Thank you for the HUGE compliment! We are thrilled to be here.
	7:36pm ViolaChica: Why is this chat making me do a math problem every time I post? lol
	7:36pm Gravitas Ridiculas: ↳ ViolaChica @7:35 We're all lucky to have you :D
	7:36pm ViolaChica: 758 was the last answer...gah!!
	7:37pm ViolaChica: ↳ Gravitas Ridiculas @7:36 <3 <3 <3 !!!!
	7:37pm ViolaChica: 506....HELP!? hahahah
	7:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:33 how they interpret it, but hasn't the dominance of the market compromised the idea of the avant garde, btw not trying to paint a "market determines all picture" just trying to locate an avant garde
	7:38pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:33 I agree, but also want to ask if institutional in this sense is different from rampant, is there an unwritten institutional policy that this abuse should happen, or is abuse in relationships, especially with power imbalances a thing that we see in cultures and times across the boards?
	7:39pm LesleyK: Hi Becky! Tuning in from Scotland right now but also need to hit the sack soon, as I have to jump on a train tomorrow morning. Thanks for the bed time tunes 😊
	7:40pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:38 avant garde is always on the move, it is always being co-opted by and subsumed into the bourgeoise, forgive me, marketplace
	7:40pm LesleyK: Oops wrong chat 😭... sorry
	7:41pm LesleyK: This looks good too though! 😁
	7:41pm newton: ↳ newton @7:40 and so it must constantly disavow its priors and reinvent
	7:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:38 i think when abuse enters an institution it becomes a sort of a folkway
	7:46pm JReganK: ↳ Song: "Piano Sonata #7, Op 83" by "Serge Prokofieff" I'm not sure what amazes me more. That the Soviet regime didn't find Prokofiev's work perverse or that he remained loyal to the regime his entire life.
	7:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:41 i think, in some sense, the avant garde is sort of elephant now, and we are the blind men trying to describe it in relation to modernism history is so fragmented, thje prospect of getting a handle on an avant garde seems out of reach
	7:52pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:48 I dont know that the avant garde is something we need to get a handle on. It is changing, fleeting, always was, we are blind, always have been despite our protestations. Of course we try to see, we say a lot about it, sometimes it is reassuring, but Im not convinced anyone really sees. Still worth the effort though
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:38 a teacher attempted to seduce me in college when i visited her studio, not clear if it was because of individual power dynamic or she felt she had permission to do it
	7:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:52 i can get with that
	7:56pm newton: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:54 I was molested by my chemistry teacher, and I went to my counselor who told me 3 days later that she spoke to him and that I was lying and a bad person and that I could have ruined this person's life with this false accusation.
	7:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks cullan and carol have a great week...
	🎻 7:57pm chresti: ↳ ViolaChica @7:37 Log in?
	7:57pm Ike: ↳ ViolaChica @7:37 My theory is: 1. The math Captcha is unique and easier than those stupid blurry visual Captchas. 2. It slows down or stops drunk commenters. 3. It confuses trolls.
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ newton @7:56 horrible
	7:58pm newton: Carol and Cullan we love you and the music you are bringing. Next time I will keep on the topic of your music
	7:58pm Ike: But yeah, like Chresti says, if you create an account and log in, you don’t have to do the math Captcha.
	7:58pm tom tom the pipers son: saw that place on tv
	7:58pm cricket: hey guys, so sorry to have missed most of tonight’s episode, but loving what i’ve heard so far, as expected! can’t wait to listen to the archive later
	7:59pm Gravitas Ridiculas: can't wait to hear more from you Carol & Cullan! :)
	7:59pm Dean: I don't like creating accounts. It's why I've never registered to vote or voted.
	🎻 8:00pm chresti: Thanks Carol and Cullan!
	8:01pm radioronan: Thanks Carol & Cullen! Cheers y'all!
	8:01pm Dean: Register to vote? Fuck you, USA. I'm a citizen, you know it, and cut out the bureaucratic bullshit.
	8:01pm Dean: This was a splendid show! I look forward to future weeks.
	7:21am Jan Turkenburg: another great episode. Thank you, Carol and Cullan!

Why Do We Only Listen to Dead People? with Carol Gimbel and Cullan Bryant: Playlist from June 16, 2024

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