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Favoriting July 1, 2024: Carissa Véliz on digital ethics

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Today: Carissa Véliz on digital ethics

• From carissaveliz.com: Carissa is an Associate Professor at the Faculty of Philosophy and the Institute for Ethics in AI at the University of Oxford.

• Carissa’s first appearance on Techtonic was the Nov 7, 2022 show, talking about her book Privacy is Power: Why and How You Should Take Back Control of Your Data.

• Oxford Handbook of Digital Ethics, edited by Carissa Véliz

• The Ethics of Privacy and Surveillance, by Carissa Véliz



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  Interview with Carissa Véliz  
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonthiticians!
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Morninggggg
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joe_rosevear:

Hello, technicians!
  6:02pm
Meesalikeu:

nice handover from livvy — smoov — and who doesn’t like some gameboy nostalgia — ha
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Bas NL:

Hey Mark!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Friends!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hi, Mark and technical people.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:07pm
ultradamno:

↳ Song: "Mark's intro"
By the way, have you heard The 180Gs Trout Mask Replica Replica (which covers the entire album a capella)? Rich has played it quite a bit on The Radio Is Broken davidminnick1.bandcamp.com...
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Hello Mark and everyone.
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joe_rosevear:

No, don't kick my robo-dog!
  6:09pm
gabriel:

id destroy that robot dog. hey mark and friends!
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Jim the Poet:

If I was a robot-shaped dog I wouldn't mind if you kicked me puny human
  6:09pm
yippie:

i kicked that robo dog in self defense
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
ultradamno:

Important question: is the dog programmed to engage in rage function when kicked?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:10pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

That robo-dog would kick you down a hundred flights of stairs if given the chance!
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herb.nyc:

Kicks robot dog- Billy Bragg saw a shooting star and made a wish. But he realized he made boo boo-“is it wrong to wish on space hardware?” From song “New England”
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Mark Hurst:

Hi ultra, chresti, DiL, PaulR, joe_r, Meesa, Bas, Webham, KfHP, Peter, gabriel, Jim, yippie, herb - welcome and thanks for joining!
  6:12pm
RevErie:

kick that can!
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lpfnrobin:

When Siri came out - my daughters used to ask it all kinds of questions - I overheard them complain to Siti that "Your dumb Siri". I told them please dont do that. They asked why - I said because you never know what will happen in the future. It's not good to kick a robot dog nor tell a chatbot things that you wouldn't want to happen to you. Thats my thoughts anyways.
  6:13pm
gabriel:

woah thanks for sharing that album, ultradamno
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:13pm
Bas NL:

Only kick it when faulty.
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future transport:

only kick in self defense
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Ike:

Kicking a robot dog is fine, especially for testing purposes, as long as you remain mindful of the long-term risks of your own self becoming numbed to the habit of kicking anything dog-shaped. You don't want to ultimately gradually transition to kicking actual dogs. As absurd as that may sound now, you don't know what may change in the future.
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joe_rosevear:

Carissa has a website that includes audio podcasts:

www.carissaveliz.com
  6:18pm
Meesalikeu:

@ultradamo — wat an album — i listened a little — sounds great
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joe_rosevear:

And here's a TED Talk by Carissa called "The Case for Ending Data Economy":

www.youtube.com...
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joe_rosevear:

Well, OK. But maybe the AI really does have a point of view?
  6:21pm
gabriel:

i love proton
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joe_rosevear:

Hmmm, does that imply moral responsibility?
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PaulRobeson1924:

I’m wondering, What’s for breakfast Joe?
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Good evening Mark Hurst and all!!
  6:24pm
Meesalikeu:

err, i dont think a king is good idea for an ethics board example - or for anything else.
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Bas NL:

I think this discussion was first started in StarTrek with how Mr Data was treated and was granted formal individual rights.
  6:26pm
Fredericks:

Was it here that I heard that the tech world took the extreme capitalist approach due to an influx of the same math whizs that were engineered the 2008 economic crash?
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Mark Hurst:

↳ Fredericks @6:26
Yes I've mentioned that in the past
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joe_rosevear:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:24
Hi, Paul! Thanks for asking. I had a quesadilla, a slice of homemade whole wheat and rye bread, a yummy medjool date, and a bowl of oatmeal with shredded seaweed, pepitos, sunflower seeds chopped apple, and topped (after cooking) with yogurt wild caught sardine and himalayan pink salt.
  6:30pm
Fredericks:

↳ Mark Hurst @6:28
Poor ethical influences.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Will the wind ever remember
The names it has blown in the past?
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Ike:

↳ Fredericks @6:30
Never mind the 2008 economic crash, people haven't even learned the lessons of the Dutch tulip crash of 1637.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 6:33pm
PaulRobeson1924:

Have the employee raise their hand to use the bathroom. Like public school
  6:36pm
chresti:

My son got fired from a remote job because he took a lunch break that was longer than a half hour
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PaulRobeson1924:

↳ PaulRobeson1924 @6:33
We do it for the morning show too. Every time a GListener has to go we 🙋 and Mr.Clay allows us to go.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Privacy! Please!
  6:42pm
Dean:

I live in a much less wealthy neighborhood, and so the cost of purchasing the four houses around my place wasn't so difficult.
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dk50b:

↳ Fredericks @6:26
The 2008 economic crash was caused by the Subprime Mortgage Crisis, which wouldn't have happened without the Feds removing regulatory oversight.
  6:44pm
Dean:

Also, my DO NOT DISTURB placard on the front door knob seems to work pretty well.
  6:45pm
morphe':

Bono also bought a neighbor's house in So. Dublin for his privacy ... and moved the U2 corp. paperwise to the Netherlands to avoid paying Irish taxes... the country where he gained his start and wealth ...
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joe_rosevear:

Mark, that's interesting that Zuckerberg bought the four homes around his own. Here's a link. It says he leased the homes back to the original owners. Hmmm, I wonder if he gave them a fair price that took into account the true cost to the original owners?:

www.nbcnews.com...
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Bas NL:

↳ morphe' @6:45
The Netherlands is home to many wea... great artists!
  6:47pm
traven:

↳ morphe' @6:45
Just how much is that guy worth?
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future transport:

The Robot Dog With A Flamethrower | Thermonator
www.youtube.com...
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joe_rosevear:

Ah, self destructing files! That's clever. I wonder how it could be done?
  6:49pm
Fredericks:

To digitize is to surveil.
  6:52pm
Fredericks:

↳ Ike @6:32
A.I>Ike.
  6:52pm
Dean:

Related, a book I've mentioned on these boards before, Nissenbaum's Obfuscation, which is like a Steal This Book for our time.
https://www.amazon.com/Obfuscation-Users-Guide-Privacy-Protest/dp/0262529866
  6:52pm
Dean:

It's a bit dated now, but its heart is in the right place.
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ultradamno:

In the analog world: Uncovering U.S. Postal Service’s Secretive Surveillance Program www.msn.com...
  6:54pm
Dean:

Clapper, such a hideous, cynical beast. The antithesis of patriotism, whatever that is. A self-important, entitled, Establishment prick. The US and likely much of the world is so much worse due to the likes of people like Clapper.
  6:55pm
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a robot dog is not a dog. Is it ok to kick a robot? Any robot? whose robot? a robot that does what? Is it ever ethical NOT to kick a robot?
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PaulRobeson1924:

7/1/2024: slow going in the special room. Remember to buy more kale and eggs and Chia seed
  6:56pm
yippie:

and the phone companies took away the phone booths, so now other people on the street can hear us when we talk on the phone. No walls no privacy
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dk50b:

Didn't see anyone note how extremely unwise it is to kick NYPD's Spot, AKA Hyundai owned Boston Dynamics' Digidog, or whatever other adorable name other police agencies have given him.
  6:57pm
morphe':

Thanks Mark and all !!!
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Will thee SG OCNY:

Thank you Mark!!!
  6:57pm
Gaston Musella:

Great stuff.
  6:57pm
Joey C:

Great show Mark.
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bleubombersune:

Mark Thanks information provided is invaluable
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Bas NL:

Surveillance in order to guard Ethics...

Thanks Mark! Thanks Carissa!
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joe_rosevear:

Thanks, Mark, Carissa, and all the Technicians!
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chresti:

↳ Song: "Hurst & Ottsc" by "I Won't Google That"
Perfect!
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joe_rosevear:

Maybe Duckduckgo?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member ♥ 7:00pm
ultradamno:

Nelson's character would be listening to the Estevez list....Emilio would be listening to Survivor and other pump up music
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Bas NL:

↳ Song: "Hurst & Ottsc" by "I Won't Google That"
On Mark's excellent Premium!
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lpfnrobin:

Thanks Mark! what a great show
  7:00pm
Fredericks:

↳ dk50b @6:42
That is also true.
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