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Favoriting July 29, 2024: Tech and the sandwich generation

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Today: Tech and the sandwich generation



Techtonic listeners of a certain age may be in the “sandwich generation,” with responsibilities for aging parents while still raising kids. Big Tech allows or even promotes predation of the elderly and children, but there are ways to resist. Today we’ll cover tech suggestions for both: how to deal with parents’ digital assets, and how to guide kids toward better digital choices.

Stand By for Failure: A Documentary About Negativland (Sunday, August 11, 2024 – doors at 6:30pm, film at 7pm). Hosted by Station Manager Ken and DJ Olivia of Radio Ravioli. Live Zoom Q&A to follow with director Ryan Worsley.

Caring for elders w/tech

August 17, 2020 Techtonic: Elaine Kasket, author, “All the Ghosts in the Machine” – on the afterlife of data

August 28, 2023 Techtonic: Tamara Kneese, author of “Death Glitch”

Caring for kids w/tech




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iPad Kids Are Getting Out of Hand (Vice, Nov 21, 2023): “Millennials are raising ‘bizarre and terribly behaved’ children, glued to screens.” Excerpt:
Ryan Lowe is a child and adolescent psychotherapist and spokesperson for the Association of Child Psychotherapists. . . . “They’re not learning the basic skills of patience and containing themselves long enough to manage something difficult or frustrating.” This can disadvantage kids because “if a device is put in front of a child the minute they start to fret or find things difficult, then that’s the only way they learn to cope with difficult feelings”.

Behavioural and neurodevelopmental optometrist Bhavin Shah says there are a couple of other really important consequences of iPad use. “The first is that more children are becoming short sighted than ever before.” Increased screen time is one of the biggest factors for this. Children under the age of three can also pick up underdeveloped fine motor skills and a difficulty in visual spatial awareness, says Shah, “because children are used to a 2D world instead of the real one”.
Jonathan Haidt’s suggestions for kids and tech (Jan 18, 2024):
1. No Smartphone Before High School (give only flip phones in middle school)

2. No Social Media Before 16

3. Phone-Free Schools (all phones go into phone lockers or Yondr pouches)

4. Far more free play and independence
NYC planning a school cellphone ban for February, principals say (Chalkbeat, July 17, 2024): “Schools Chancellor David Banks has been talking with principals across the five boroughs about cellphones, and said that they overwhelmingly want a citywide policy. Gov. Kathy Hochul is also planning to announce a statewide school cellphone policy this year.”

Number of teens who ‘don’t enjoy life’ has doubled with social media (NY Post, June 19, 2023, on Jean Twenge’s book Generations): “Today, teens can spend up to nine hours a day glued to screens — and half of them say they are online ‘almost constantly.’” (Elsewhere, Twenge suggest: keep the phone out of the bedroom at night, delay getting them a surveillance phone – and socmedia accounts – for as long as possible, and even then, set up parental controls to disable app downloading.)

• Jonathan Haidt discusses his recent book The Anxious Generation on the Persuasion podcast (March 30, 2024):
It’s what I call the phone-based childhood that blocks many developmental pathways. The purpose of childhood is to give the animal time to wire up its brain and learn behaviors that we’ll need in adulthood. And what is it that children need to do to wire up? Play. All mammals play, and play is essential. If you deprive baby rhesus monkeys, mice or any animal of play, they don’t develop proper social skills. They’re much more anxious for the rest of their lives. They don’t explore as much. . . . children need to seek out risk and thrill repeatedly. If you take those away, you don’t get as much growth or overcoming of anxiety.
• From Get Tech Out of the Classroom Before It’s Too Late (by Jessica Grose in NYT Opinion, April 10, 2024):
The bad guys, as I see it, are tech companies.

One way or another, we’ve allowed Big Tech’s tentacles into absolutely every aspect of our children’s education, with very little oversight and no real proof that their devices or programs improve educational outcomes. Last year Collin Binkley at The Associated Press analyzed public records and found that “many of the largest school systems spent tens of millions of dollars in pandemic money on software and services from tech companies, including licenses for apps, games and tutoring websites.” However, he continued, schools “have little or no evidence the programs helped students.”

. . . We’ve let tech companies and their products set the terms of the argument about what education should be, and too many people, myself included, didn’t initially realize it. Companies never had to prove that devices or software, broadly speaking, helped students learn before those devices had wormed their way into America’s public schools. And now the onus is on parents to marshal arguments about the detriments of tech in schools.
P.S. From the reader comments on the NYT site:
I’m a college professor and I can tell you what I see in this generation of students: they don’t talk to each other, they stare at their phones, they think YouTube is a college-level source, they can’t write by hand or take notes or even read very well. It’s appalling. I’ve been teaching for almost 19 years and what has happened over the last 10 years is nothing short of criminal. Education has sold its soul to big tech and now we are reaping the consequences.
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ultradamno:

Mark! Techtonkfurters! (since hot dogs ARE sandwiches!)
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ultradamno:

↳ ultradamno @5:55
I looked it up!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Mark! Friends!
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Handy Haversack:

Mark! Techyons!
  6:02pm
Fredericks:

Technistas?
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Hi wireless crew!
  6:03pm
David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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chresti:

Hi Mark and techtonicians!
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DjLorraine:

*practices a respectful bow*
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Webhamster Henry:

I'm an open faced sandwich right now...actually, the bottom layer is mostly gone. I'm of course morphing into the top layer.
  6:08pm
Fredericks:

Not elderly, but parent free. An orphan?
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Jim the Poet:

I'm pretty sure I don't have kids
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Steve Del Sol:

Yes. My sandwich has already been eaten. But this happens to most of us, yes? We all eat THIS sandwich.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Steve Del Sol:

Should a made sandwiches for dinner...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Ooh! Wobbly interview!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Jim the Poet @6:08
Last time I checked, I had no kids, either.
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chresti:

We're a moldering sandwich- open face after our parents passed away
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:09
Just reading this conversation makes me want to go get another vasectomy.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
ultradamno:

Childless cat bachelor
Avatar 🤖 6:11pm
MarciB:

↳ Fredericks @6:08
I always wonder about that - parent-free, kid-free, maybe we're older orphans!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Spikey BXL:

Good evening Mark, tonics.

Today my 13yr old made fun of me (49) because I had received App usage advice from an old man (60+) at the healthcare provider's booth at the hospital.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Greetings, Mark and tech industry.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:14pm
Handy Haversack:

Atlanta listeners were prevented from making the WFMU Pirate Cruise because of this.
Avatar 6:15pm
joe_rosevear:

Hello, Mark and all. Sorry I'm late, although I didn't miss the show's beginning--I caught it on my cell phone!
  6:17pm
Marie in Chicago:

Paper, baby
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:14
Smart KFHP flew Thursday and beat the issue. Friends of mine were stuck in Atlanta for the whole weekend.
  6:20pm
Marie in Chicago:

Nice simple rule about the calls being incoming
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:20pm
Webhamster Henry:

The kid in trouble scam is so old I think it started in postcards or telegraphs.
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Peter from Saranac Lake NY:

Hello Mark and all.

IDK whether a different release date would have made a difference for Crowdstrike.

Former wife is a computer programmer at UPS. They install new software updates at, like 4:30 AM on a Sunday. If something goes wrong, they work like fiends to fix it.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:20
Telegraph destroyed STOP Ask no questions STOP Send now STOP
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:

Yes, use the technique as used in Terminator 2 "How is Wolfie?"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Spikey BXL:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
Sarah Connor?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi!
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ultradamno:

The iPad just updated...seems to have survived it...
Avatar 🤖 6:23pm
MarciB:

I'm a photo manager and I totally approve of Elaine's advice!
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
LIQUID METAL
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Webhamster Henry:

↳ Webhamster Henry @6:21
"When John called home to warn the Voights, Max, recognizing "Janelle" as a Terminator imposter, barked furiously. John therefore feared that the T-1000 was already at the house, and asked the T-800 at his side about this. The T-800 then proceeded to speak with the T-1000 over the phone, imitating John's voice. After learning the dog's real name Max from John, he asked "Janelle" why Wolfie was barking. "Janelle" failed to recognize that the name was incorrect, assuring that "Wolfie" was just fine. Thus the T-1000 inadvertently gave away that it was not the real Janelle. The T-800 immediately hung up and informed John that his foster parents were dead."
  6:24pm
Fredericks:

And links rot.
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PaulRobeson1924:

Hii
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ultradamno:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:23
All started here....and he's a neurotoxin! static.tvtropes.org...
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Ciggy:

Gift:
Today - NYTIMES article
"How One Man Lost $740,000 to Scammers Targeting His Retirement Savings" www.nytimes.com...
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mackeral:

hey folks
  6:27pm
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How about Crowdstrike thouroghly testing the update in-house before releasing it out to customers.

If it fails in-house..it's not released until it passes

Seems like a simple idea, but was not done
  6:28pm
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My math problem totaled 666

Woooooooo
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Handy Haversack:

↳ ultradamno @6:25
And apotheosis here: tvtropes.org...
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Marci:

I was recently learned about a company called Trustworthy that does DAM work. They are legit - but omg you have to hire someone to help you add + scan all of your info. They are recommended by privacy advocates - but still, if the web gets down, then what?
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Marci:

↳ Ciggy @6:25
I swear we read variations of this story every few weeks.
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Henry Hudson's Distant Relative:

Why not just keep a physical Rolodex with all DAM info? I'd rather do that than trust a company.
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Marci:

Use the 3-2-1 backup plan that I recommend to my clients. 3 sources - 2 external hard drives and one cloud.
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Handy Haversack:

Facebook, Google, et al. MIGHT last to the end of the internet, but there's no reason to assume their products and services will. Gmail lives only as long as it's useful to Alphabet as the best driver of data gathering. If any sort of actual privacy law were passed or even if they just thought of something better, there's no reason to assume any of these services would persist.
  Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Henry Hudson's Distant Relative:

↳ Henry Hudson's Distant Relative @6:31
Basically, a physical Rolodex with all passwords, etc.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:10
Likewise, I wish I could get another hysterectomy.
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Marci:

↳ Henry Hudson's Distant Relative @6:33
the only issue with that (and I have all mis passwords written down too), is there's the worry that if something happens to your home, and that's the only place it's saved, then you're stuck.
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Handy Haversack:

Quoting Marci now! The Techtonic equivalent of an Instant Request!
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Marci:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:35
I'm a techtonic star lol!
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Spikey BXL:

A simple fire retardant pouch also a good idea for those important print outs.
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Spikey BXL @6:36
I tell the cats that only my FAVORITE gets to go in the pouch!
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Spikey BXL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:37
Is the volume/content of the pouch measured in.. litter?
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Wendy del Formaggio:

You can also store important documents at your local bank in their safe-deposit box. You have to pay a rental fee, but it's usually pretty low, especially if you just need a little box for documents. Might be less than $50/year. And, you can also keep cash and drugs in there if, ya know...
  6:38pm
Joey C:

Thanks for the useful information Mark!
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Ciggy:

↳ Marci @6:32
Sources?
  6:40pm
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I did some work at a facility in Flanders,NJ which was a storage archive facility for all kinds of data. Not only did they have documents, but also the outdated machines needed to read some of them. The bulk of the building was 5 stories underground.

I want to live there..5 stories underground
  6:41pm
Marie in Chicago:

Ireland I think passed some protective legislation for children online and one of the creators said leaving your child alone online is like leaving your child in a room with a stranger...
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tim:

Hey Mark and everyone! I missed the first half because I was outside playing with my kids! Haha. I have a 5 and 8 year old and a 78 year old mom in independent living. She 78 going on 90 physically and 12 emotionally.
Avatar 🤖 6:43pm
Marci:

↳ Ciggy @6:40
The sources would total 3 ways - so two external hard drives and one cloud source (=3) But also, printing out is great and important too, though I know it's not feasible to print everything important.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ tim @6:42
If only there were a happy medium ...
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Ciggy:

↳ Marci @6:43
I'm sorry, I'm having dinner. I'm not concentrating thoroughly on the context.
  6:46pm
Dean:

Remember when the most serious pedagogical concern was that students were using their laptops in class to shop online?
  6:48pm
Dean:

My kids (13 and 18) are glued to their screens, but they also play constantly in person with multiple friends.
Avatar 🤖 6:49pm
herb.nyc:

Am listening. Am nodding. I will alert some young parents i know. PLAY in yr early years, yes!
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Tommy in Neversink:

not to mention how kids are more overweight today because of the inactivity . Many are headed toward diabetes. Another reason to be depressed
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Tommy in Neversink:

So glad I grew up in the 60s and 70s
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:52pm
Handy Haversack:

Google Classroom, like so many other Google products, is not only clearly designed not to do what it says on the tin but to load a data mine with ore for Google but also a *terrible* product. It is hard to use, opaque, slow, and clunky. But the fear level among the civil-managerial class about not being "cutting-edge" is so great that they'd rather sacrifice generations of kids to Tech than actually evaluate a product.
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ultradamno:

On the other hand, they have more choices on You Tube of novelty songs called Hawk Tuah than ever before...
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Steve Del Sol:

Build housing with them.
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∫ydniuß:

Thanks, Mike!
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tim:

↳ tim @6:42
There's a lot I want to add to this discussion. I'm 51. I'm 10 - 25 years older than most of the parents in my kids classes. Most of the parents are miles ahead of me regarding tech. I'm still a dumb ass. I don't stream anything other than FMU. My kids get their passive entertainment in physical form from the library. We listen to records and cds. This isn't intentional it's because I'm not interested. My kids accidentally benefit from my morning I guess - haha!
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Handy Haversack:

Glad you're back, Mike Hurst! Many thanks!
  6:57pm
Sam:

People are going to believe more and more AI lies. And that’s why we won’t need elections in 4 years.
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Steve Del Sol:

How can we protect them IF WE ARE ON THE INSIDE OF THE SANDWICH?!??
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joe_rosevear:

Hey, thanks Mark and everyone--good show!
  6:57pm
Marie in Chicago:

Thanks, Mark!
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listener 126464:

Important stuff. Thank you, Mark.
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tim:

Thanks, Mark!
  6:57pm
wenzo:

Thanks Mark!
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Neil Neil the orange peel:

Cheers Mark and all.
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Marci:

Another great show - thanks Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Thank you, Mark!
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark
  6:59pm
Sam:

Cheers Mark! Thanks again for your integrity and moral rectitude!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Mark Hurst:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:57
I have to practice saying my name.
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bleubombersune:

Mark Thanks
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Handy Haversack:

↳ Mark Hurst @7:00
Ha, don't we all!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:57
"Handy, how is Wolfie Hurst?"
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