WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from January 29, 2025

Listener comments!
	10:02pm northguineahills: sam!
	10:02pm rw: sam!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: NGH! RW!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Here we are! We’re still here!
	10:04pm northguineahills: the hair care center has been demolished it's now the side of a large laundromat...
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Any way you can determine what happened to the person coming out from behind the hair care center?
	10:07pm zzz: ↳ Song: "There Will Never Be Another You" by "Sonny Rollins" Sonny sounding awfully nice here greetings DJ SS and folks ✌️
	10:07pm rw: ↳ Sam Segal @10:05 I’d guess they made it at least to the corner. Beyond that I have no idea.
	10:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:07 Heya, zzz! I thought so too. Love that little spoken intro from Sonny at the beginning too.
	10:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ rw @10:07 It’s comforting to at least have some information. Thank you, rw.
	10:09pm coelacanth∅: good evening Sam, horsepeople, horseless people...
	10:10pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:09 Nice ride, Coel! Welcome!
	10:10pm rw: Today at lunch I saw a crazy bicycle guitar.
	🥁 10:11pm tom tom the pipers son: hey there sam...folx...
	10:13pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:11 Howdy, Tom Tom!
	10:13pm rw: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hyfxldkmve7y7zxvnrbrz/Untitled-2.jpg?rlkey=j4w5pyj6qhukn235arjhneacs&dl=0
	10:14pm rw: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mpphxy06di8kj1b7g98uz/IMG_8795.mov?rlkey=a79j9lqbg22uf95251vw8r0l2&dl=0
	🥁 10:16pm WR: ↳ Song: "Libre Como El Viento" by "La Calandria con Claudi... nice Puerto Rican recording.
	🥁 10:17pm WR: ↳ Song: "Siempre Amor" by "Ramito" Viva! el cantor del montañas, Ramito!
	10:21pm coelacanth∅: you'd be summoning the Kenny G spirit if you did that,Sam.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (wfmu's Kenny G; not the terrible saxophone abuser Kenny G)
	10:28pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "West Side" by "Studio" Dig!
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:22 Hahaha good point. Maybe there have been enough hours of pain to last us all awhile…
	🥁 10:28pm tom tom the pipers son: oh was just about to say 'this is the cure...right?'
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:17 Hola, WR!
	10:28pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:22 that's poet laureate kenneth goldstein!
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:28 Yeah such a Robert Smith voice. I dig it.
	10:28pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:28 Yeah this has big Cure energy, and I am here for it.
	🥁 10:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:28 goldstein?????
	10:29pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:28 And I am glad that you are! Welcome, drowsy.
	10:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:28 i know i had enough - before he did!
	10:31pm zzz: ↳ Song: "West Side" by "Studio" good headphones track
	10:32pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 err.,, smith, not stone...
	10:32pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:31 Definitely
	10:32pm coelacanth∅: i had to look too. i know the cure has a recent album, and what i've heard from it is Excellent! but this would be a bit of a veer. (i was actually excited at the thought!)
	🥁 10:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:30 how are you coelacanth, long chat thread last night
	🥁 10:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:32 fmu sacrilege!!!!! ha ha...
	🥁 10:35pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Nausicaä (Love Will Be Revealed)" by "Cameron Win... digging this...
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:32 i'm still needing comfort food Just kidding! but i wasn't surprised a certain someone wanted out
	10:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:35 Really like this album. Just found out about this guy Cameron Winter. Really unique voice.
	🥁 10:36pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:35 yes i feel a little hurt by it that i may have caused it ....did..rather
	🥁 10:37pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @10:36 i felt authentic... liked the tempo
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @10:28 smith not stein... i just think of him as Kenny 3 hours/week of wasted valuable air time G!
	🥁 10:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:37 it felt authentic....!!!
	🥁 10:40pm tom tom the pipers son: how can you be sure whether it's you messing up on keyboard or malfunctioning autocorrect
	10:43pm rw: I think I got here too late to hear Kenny G’s shows. But I HAD known of him!
	10:46pm zzz: ↳ Song: "What Am I Gonna Do" by "TJ Dumas" banger
	10:47pm drowsy: ↳ zzz @10:46 +1
	10:48pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:46 Reconnecting with Detroit house feels good. It’s been too long!
	10:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:43 his show was entertaining for a long time (years?) then gradually he'd just do concept shows, more often than not not involving music. every week i'd tune-in, and every week i'd turn it off. come back in an hour to see if anything else is going on yet. Nope! he's still reading the tax table, or repeating the words of a tv advertisement over and over... i guess it was an exercise in understanding people's willingness to waste their time.
	🥁 10:51pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:49 yes the show did teeter on the edge of "is this something, or is this nothing"
	10:53pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:49 I can see that. Sometimes theory and practice don’t align. I DO like the idea of pushing boundaries but pushing boundaries for pushing boundaries’ sake doesn’t always make for interesting art.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:51 yeah. i guess my usual reaction was Haha that's funny. i get it; i got it...now can we move onto something that entertaining to listen to?
	10:56pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:53 exactly. ...now if he got hired to dj a set at a shopping mall and played a tv commercial over and over i'd call him a god!
	10:57pm Dean: I think Kenny G's plausible point is that interesting art has run its course.
	🥁 10:58pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 there's this thing that jasper johns said about making art...take something ...do something to it... then do something else to it seems KG was only going halfway with that idea
	10:58pm Sam Segal: Evening, Dean!
	10:59pm Dean: Evening!
	🥁 10:59pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:57 maybe he's not looking hard enough....though, by and large, i think that's true
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:58 there's something to that. some of his lessons in tedium could've been further enhanced, or manipulated to be interesting.
	🥁 11:01pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:59 though not run its course more like the forces behind/ in front??? of art are inhibiting interesting things from happening
	🥁 11:02pm Manta: Hello!!
	11:03pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:13 so, was that bicycle playable? (was that guitar ridable?)
	11:03pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 But if the point was, as Dean pointed, that interesting had run its course, he’d have been negating his point!
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ Manta @11:02 Manta! Good to see you.
	11:04pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:03 Kid rode in on it. He played it for a few bars too.
	11:04pm Dean: Interesting things happen all the time. No dearth of those. I would say, and I doubt Kenny G would concur, that we are a largely uninspired people, by which I mean there is little, almost nothing, that inspires us. We should not expect art to be interesting. In my case, I have to make recourse to the old way, the art that did evince inspiration, once upon a time.
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:03 true. but why would anyone be trying to make such a point?
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:04 nice!
	11:05pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 exactly
	11:06pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 Seems futile in a kind of circular way
	🥁 11:07pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:04 in the gallery system there is little interesting happening, but yes interesting thing happen all the time...
	11:08pm northguineahills: Nice soup eating musics!
	11:09pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:08 Hope you’re eating some dance soup.
	🥁 11:09pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:07 boring art is interesting
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: i think there's beautiful new art around us constantly. maybe not new conceptually, but that shouldn't matter. it may or may not be beautiful in the traditional sense; but beautiful in a thought-provoking sense. even yet another picture of yet another poor person in yet another typical destitution...yes more often than not it's just the same old formula; but some percentage of the time people still bring out something that makes you think...or that you can pick apart and find all kinds of very thought-out detail...
	11:13pm Dean: and boring art is boring interesting art is boring, and interesting art is interesting
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:06 haha i had to check if you were talking about the guitarcycle!
	11:14pm rw: ↳ Dean @11:13 Plus everything in between
	🥁 11:14pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:13 touche
	11:14pm Dean: "On the third hand..."
	11:15pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:13 No, but… well… maybe!
	🥁 11:16pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:12 i'm not that trusting of artists to provide that...at least contemporary ones
	🥁 11:19pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Virginia" by "Byard Lancaster" rigorous fluting....
	🥁 11:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 total digging
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Sometimes my ears just need a rigorous fluting.
	🥁 11:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Jelena" by "Xylitol" oh sam...what a segue...
	🥁 11:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:22 that took my breath away
	11:25pm Sam Segal: Thank you for saying so, Tom Tom! I was excited when I figured out those two puzzle pieces could fit together.
	11:28pm rw: ↳ Sam Segal @11:22 Nice.
	11:32pm Dean: "bond": Karl Marx quotes in ch. 10 of Capital, v.1, from The Merchant of Venice: My deeds upon my head! I crave the law, The penalty and forfeit of my bond. -and- Ay, his breast, So says the bond. I don't know how to read "bond" in these passages.
	11:34pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:09 farm-made minestrone...
	11:35pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:34 I could get down to that!
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: but...i don't thing the drummer stream uses "ai" at all. does it? i thought it was just Doug's digital music collection.
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:32 reminds me....reading a passage in a book regarding genet who talks about having his consciousness formed when an(other) person called him "thief"... he was reified as such
	🥁 11:39pm WR: Was busy shopping and then putting away groceries during the first hour of the program. Just now looking at Ansonia bc page. Too many choices. Trying to make some choices.
	11:39pm Sam Segal: More rigorous fluting for you, Tom Tom.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:39 Oh I definitely know the struggle, WR. Goldmine!
	11:40pm Dean: Thief's Journal? I mean to reread Querelle and read for the first time other novels by Genet, not just the plays.
	🥁 11:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:39 i'm letting it settle in
	11:40pm Dean: Been meaning to ask how Ken's feeling.
	🥁 11:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:40 no, frederic jameson's overview of postwar french philosophy
	11:42pm Dean: Right, but was Jameson citing Thief's Journal?
	🥁 11:42pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:42 didn't say
	🥁 11:42pm tom tom the pipers son: not sure if its footnoted
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: sounds like a shakuhachi
	11:46pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:44 it did...
	11:49pm Dean: Odd. Evidently it isn't. References to Genet as thief appear on pp. 87 and 200, but I don't see footnotes or bibliographic references.
	11:50pm Dean: Not footnoted, because these are transcripts of lectures.
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:50 a ha right... but some passages are numbered in the book... must be additional notes....(?)
	🥁 11:54pm WR: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:37 start rant\ AI is marketing term for algorithms, a concept that has been in computing since the beginning. Sure there has been advances of getting huge data arrays and more complicated approaches to algorithms. But I've not come to bury AI, just sneer at it so enough of that. For the drummer stream there is definitely some algorithm involved because you can notice that it usually plays two recordings in a row that are of a type, like old time blues or folk rock or hillbilly or whatever then goes on to the next "type". Even for some mp3 players there is "random" play mode, which would use whatever algorithm the player developer put in. I've never asked or found out what stream play software they use for the drummer stream to find out what options it has. At this point of the internet, I assume that Doug didn't have to manually tag the audio files he loaded into the stream, that the software uses similar online resources like CD rip software does to grab the metadata or even just reads the metadata that was put into the audio files when they were ripped. Sorry to rant on about this, when seems you and others were just doing casual speculation. I guess I just too sensitive and grumpy about all the investment speculation and marketing wars over a logical continuation of computer programming. /end rant
	🥁 11:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:50 oh there are citations
	11:56pm northguineahills: thanks for the sounds, sam!
	11:57pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:54 Thank you for doing part of the rant that I was too tired to do, WR.
	🥁 11:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam...have a good week... i'm acquiring a feel for opera
	11:57pm T GRavel: This show was amazing!! Thanks Sam!
	11:58pm drowsy: ↳ Dean @11:32 This show flew by! Thanks very much Sam. Good night folks.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WR @11:54 i too've noticed a good cohesion between 2, 3, or even 4 tracks in a row; and have often noticed the first song after a live program being quite appropriate. ...but i imagined it was Doug setting it up, just for brief periods of time, before letting it fly random.
	🥁 11:59pm WR: ↳ Song: "You Better Get Somebody on Your Bond" by "The Fis... Interesting, that Fisk...Singers tune is on a release that Tomkins Square made as a "name your price" release of recordings that just went into public domain. You might have already mentioned that. I was distracted listening to you program at the same time as sampling Ansonia releases.
	🥁 12:00am WR: Thank you! Sam! for the tunes!
	12:00am still b/p: ↳ Dean @11:32 You mean usage in the quote, or that in Marx's reference it could be an intended metaphor relying on something other than a straightforward take on the play story element of the agreement, which Shylock wants recognized as legally binding, that specifies the uncustomary collateral and penalty? The big cruel price exacted by a financial reins-holder?
	12:00am rw: Thank you for the rant WR. Thank you for the show Sam. Thank you for hanging out everyone.
	12:01am Robert Johnson∅: oh how the wind do howl
	12:01am still b/p: I gotta do some midnight rigorous fluting on the portico's stone columns.
	12:02am Dean: "bond": I mean I don't know what it means in the quotes. Yes, I think Shylock is vying for a strict reading of the law.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: (howlin' here too) Thanks Sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: shit's flying up and down the street

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from January 29, 2025

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Sonny Rollins	There Will Never Be Another You	Freedom Weaver: The 1959 European Tour Recordings	Resonance	0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Noro Morales	Mi Guajira "Mi Guajira" by "Noro Morales"	His Piano and Rhythm	Ansonia	0:07:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Germán Rosario	Dime Quien Tiene Tu Amor	Germán Rosario	Ansonia	0:09:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
La Calandria con Claudio Ferrer y Sus Jibaritos	Libre Como El Viento	Saludo A Mi Islita	Ansonia	0:12:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ramito	Siempre Amor "Siempre Amor" by "Ramito"	El Cantor De La Montaña, Vol. 3	Ansonia	0:15:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Studio	West Side "West Side" by "Studio"	West Coast	Ghostly International	0:27:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Cameron Winter	Nausicaä (Love Will Be Revealed)	Heavy Metal	Partisan	0:31:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Dego and Keidi	Moths In Wallets (feat. Mr. Mensah)	Adam Rock Dissed!	Sound Signature	0:35:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Andrés	Listen to the Sound "Listen to the Sound" by "Andrés"	Andrés V	Mahogani	0:41:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
TJ Dumas	What Am I Gonna Do "What Am I Gonna Do" by "TJ Dumas"	Lost Tracks From Detroit	Stilove4music	0:44:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Theo Parrish	Dance of the Medusa "Dance of the Medusa" by "Theo Parrish"	12"	Sound Signature	0:52:43 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Struction	Givven "Givven" by "Struction"	Basis	Illian Tape	0:56:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pearson Sound	Hornet "Hornet" by "Pearson Sound"	Which Way Is Up	Hessle Audio	1:03:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
gum.mp3	Mars and Its Moons "Mars and Its Moons" by "gum.mp3"	Black Life, Red Planet	Gum Studio	1:08:17 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Byard Lancaster	Virginia "Virginia" by "Byard Lancaster"	Exactement	Souffle Continu	1:13:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Xylitol	Jelena "Jelena" by "Xylitol"	Anemones	Planet Mu	1:21:28 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Fisk Jubilee Singers	You Better Get Somebody on Your Bond	Come Around to the Backdoor : Blues, Country, Jazz & Gospel from 1924	Tompkins Square	1:27:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Arild Andersen	Dreamhorse "Dreamhorse" by "Arild Andersen"	Landloper	ECM	1:34:41 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Laura Cocks	A seed sucked between your teeth	Fathm	Out of Your Head	1:38:47 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Le Motel	Xăm Hường "Xăm Hường" by "Le Motel"	Odd Numbers / Số Lẻ	Balmat	1:44:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Andrew Chalk	Lonely House "Lonely House" by "Andrew Chalk"	Dioramas	An'archives	1:47:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Youmna Saba	Al khayal الخيال	Wishah وِشاح	Ruptured	1:50:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Maria Callas, Georges Prêtre & Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire	Tosca, Act II: Vissi d'arte	Puccini: Tosca (1965 - Prêtre) - Callas	Warner Classics/Erato	1:55:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:02pm northguineahills: sam!
	10:02pm rw: sam!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: NGH! RW!
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Here we are! We’re still here!
	10:04pm northguineahills: the hair care center has been demolished it's now the side of a large laundromat...
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Any way you can determine what happened to the person coming out from behind the hair care center?
	10:07pm zzz: ↳ Song: "There Will Never Be Another You" by "Sonny Rollins" Sonny sounding awfully nice here greetings DJ SS and folks ✌️
	10:07pm rw: ↳ Sam Segal @10:05 I’d guess they made it at least to the corner. Beyond that I have no idea.
	10:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:07 Heya, zzz! I thought so too. Love that little spoken intro from Sonny at the beginning too.
	10:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ rw @10:07 It’s comforting to at least have some information. Thank you, rw.
	10:09pm coelacanth∅: good evening Sam, horsepeople, horseless people...
	10:10pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:09 Nice ride, Coel! Welcome!
	10:10pm rw: Today at lunch I saw a crazy bicycle guitar.
	🥁 10:11pm tom tom the pipers son: hey there sam...folx...
	10:13pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:11 Howdy, Tom Tom!
	10:13pm rw: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hyfxldkmve7y7zxvnrbrz/Untitled-2.jpg?rlkey=j4w5pyj6qhukn235arjhneacs&dl=0
	10:14pm rw: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mpphxy06di8kj1b7g98uz/IMG_8795.mov?rlkey=a79j9lqbg22uf95251vw8r0l2&dl=0
	🥁 10:16pm WR: ↳ Song: "Libre Como El Viento" by "La Calandria con Claudi... nice Puerto Rican recording.
	🥁 10:17pm WR: ↳ Song: "Siempre Amor" by "Ramito" Viva! el cantor del montañas, Ramito!
	10:21pm coelacanth∅: you'd be summoning the Kenny G spirit if you did that,Sam.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (wfmu's Kenny G; not the terrible saxophone abuser Kenny G)
	10:28pm DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "West Side" by "Studio" Dig!
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:22 Hahaha good point. Maybe there have been enough hours of pain to last us all awhile…
	🥁 10:28pm tom tom the pipers son: oh was just about to say 'this is the cure...right?'
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:17 Hola, WR!
	10:28pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:22 that's poet laureate kenneth goldstein!
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:28 Yeah such a Robert Smith voice. I dig it.
	10:28pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:28 Yeah this has big Cure energy, and I am here for it.
	🥁 10:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:28 goldstein?????
	10:29pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:28 And I am glad that you are! Welcome, drowsy.
	10:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:28 i know i had enough - before he did!
	10:31pm zzz: ↳ Song: "West Side" by "Studio" good headphones track
	10:32pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:29 err.,, smith, not stone...
	10:32pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:31 Definitely
	10:32pm coelacanth∅: i had to look too. i know the cure has a recent album, and what i've heard from it is Excellent! but this would be a bit of a veer. (i was actually excited at the thought!)
	🥁 10:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:30 how are you coelacanth, long chat thread last night
	🥁 10:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:32 fmu sacrilege!!!!! ha ha...
	🥁 10:35pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Nausicaä (Love Will Be Revealed)" by "Cameron Win... digging this...
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:32 i'm still needing comfort food Just kidding! but i wasn't surprised a certain someone wanted out
	10:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:35 Really like this album. Just found out about this guy Cameron Winter. Really unique voice.
	🥁 10:36pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:35 yes i feel a little hurt by it that i may have caused it ....did..rather
	🥁 10:37pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @10:36 i felt authentic... liked the tempo
	10:37pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @10:28 smith not stein... i just think of him as Kenny 3 hours/week of wasted valuable air time G!
	🥁 10:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:37 it felt authentic....!!!
	🥁 10:40pm tom tom the pipers son: how can you be sure whether it's you messing up on keyboard or malfunctioning autocorrect
	10:43pm rw: I think I got here too late to hear Kenny G’s shows. But I HAD known of him!
	10:46pm zzz: ↳ Song: "What Am I Gonna Do" by "TJ Dumas" banger
	10:47pm drowsy: ↳ zzz @10:46 +1
	10:48pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:46 Reconnecting with Detroit house feels good. It’s been too long!
	10:49pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:43 his show was entertaining for a long time (years?) then gradually he'd just do concept shows, more often than not not involving music. every week i'd tune-in, and every week i'd turn it off. come back in an hour to see if anything else is going on yet. Nope! he's still reading the tax table, or repeating the words of a tv advertisement over and over... i guess it was an exercise in understanding people's willingness to waste their time.
	🥁 10:51pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:49 yes the show did teeter on the edge of "is this something, or is this nothing"
	10:53pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:49 I can see that. Sometimes theory and practice don’t align. I DO like the idea of pushing boundaries but pushing boundaries for pushing boundaries’ sake doesn’t always make for interesting art.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:51 yeah. i guess my usual reaction was Haha that's funny. i get it; i got it...now can we move onto something that entertaining to listen to?
	10:56pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:53 exactly. ...now if he got hired to dj a set at a shopping mall and played a tv commercial over and over i'd call him a god!
	10:57pm Dean: I think Kenny G's plausible point is that interesting art has run its course.
	🥁 10:58pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 there's this thing that jasper johns said about making art...take something ...do something to it... then do something else to it seems KG was only going halfway with that idea
	10:58pm Sam Segal: Evening, Dean!
	10:59pm Dean: Evening!
	🥁 10:59pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:57 maybe he's not looking hard enough....though, by and large, i think that's true
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:58 there's something to that. some of his lessons in tedium could've been further enhanced, or manipulated to be interesting.
	🥁 11:01pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:59 though not run its course more like the forces behind/ in front??? of art are inhibiting interesting things from happening
	🥁 11:02pm Manta: Hello!!
	11:03pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @10:13 so, was that bicycle playable? (was that guitar ridable?)
	11:03pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 But if the point was, as Dean pointed, that interesting had run its course, he’d have been negating his point!
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ Manta @11:02 Manta! Good to see you.
	11:04pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:03 Kid rode in on it. He played it for a few bars too.
	11:04pm Dean: Interesting things happen all the time. No dearth of those. I would say, and I doubt Kenny G would concur, that we are a largely uninspired people, by which I mean there is little, almost nothing, that inspires us. We should not expect art to be interesting. In my case, I have to make recourse to the old way, the art that did evince inspiration, once upon a time.
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:03 true. but why would anyone be trying to make such a point?
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:04 nice!
	11:05pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 exactly
	11:06pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 Seems futile in a kind of circular way
	🥁 11:07pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:04 in the gallery system there is little interesting happening, but yes interesting thing happen all the time...
	11:08pm northguineahills: Nice soup eating musics!
	11:09pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:08 Hope you’re eating some dance soup.
	🥁 11:09pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:07 boring art is interesting
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: i think there's beautiful new art around us constantly. maybe not new conceptually, but that shouldn't matter. it may or may not be beautiful in the traditional sense; but beautiful in a thought-provoking sense. even yet another picture of yet another poor person in yet another typical destitution...yes more often than not it's just the same old formula; but some percentage of the time people still bring out something that makes you think...or that you can pick apart and find all kinds of very thought-out detail...
	11:13pm Dean: and boring art is boring interesting art is boring, and interesting art is interesting
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: ↳ rw @11:06 haha i had to check if you were talking about the guitarcycle!
	11:14pm rw: ↳ Dean @11:13 Plus everything in between
	🥁 11:14pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:13 touche
	11:14pm Dean: "On the third hand..."
	11:15pm rw: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:13 No, but… well… maybe!
	🥁 11:16pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:12 i'm not that trusting of artists to provide that...at least contemporary ones
	🥁 11:19pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Virginia" by "Byard Lancaster" rigorous fluting....
	🥁 11:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:19 total digging
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Sometimes my ears just need a rigorous fluting.
	🥁 11:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Jelena" by "Xylitol" oh sam...what a segue...
	🥁 11:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:22 that took my breath away
	11:25pm Sam Segal: Thank you for saying so, Tom Tom! I was excited when I figured out those two puzzle pieces could fit together.
	11:28pm rw: ↳ Sam Segal @11:22 Nice.
	11:32pm Dean: "bond": Karl Marx quotes in ch. 10 of Capital, v.1, from The Merchant of Venice: My deeds upon my head! I crave the law, The penalty and forfeit of my bond. -and- Ay, his breast, So says the bond. I don't know how to read "bond" in these passages.
	11:34pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:09 farm-made minestrone...
	11:35pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:34 I could get down to that!
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: but...i don't thing the drummer stream uses "ai" at all. does it? i thought it was just Doug's digital music collection.
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:32 reminds me....reading a passage in a book regarding genet who talks about having his consciousness formed when an(other) person called him "thief"... he was reified as such
	🥁 11:39pm WR: Was busy shopping and then putting away groceries during the first hour of the program. Just now looking at Ansonia bc page. Too many choices. Trying to make some choices.
	11:39pm Sam Segal: More rigorous fluting for you, Tom Tom.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:39 Oh I definitely know the struggle, WR. Goldmine!
	11:40pm Dean: Thief's Journal? I mean to reread Querelle and read for the first time other novels by Genet, not just the plays.
	🥁 11:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:39 i'm letting it settle in
	11:40pm Dean: Been meaning to ask how Ken's feeling.
	🥁 11:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:40 no, frederic jameson's overview of postwar french philosophy
	11:42pm Dean: Right, but was Jameson citing Thief's Journal?
	🥁 11:42pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:42 didn't say
	🥁 11:42pm tom tom the pipers son: not sure if its footnoted
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: sounds like a shakuhachi
	11:46pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:44 it did...
	11:49pm Dean: Odd. Evidently it isn't. References to Genet as thief appear on pp. 87 and 200, but I don't see footnotes or bibliographic references.
	11:50pm Dean: Not footnoted, because these are transcripts of lectures.
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:50 a ha right... but some passages are numbered in the book... must be additional notes....(?)
	🥁 11:54pm WR: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:37 start rant\ AI is marketing term for algorithms, a concept that has been in computing since the beginning. Sure there has been advances of getting huge data arrays and more complicated approaches to algorithms. But I've not come to bury AI, just sneer at it so enough of that. For the drummer stream there is definitely some algorithm involved because you can notice that it usually plays two recordings in a row that are of a type, like old time blues or folk rock or hillbilly or whatever then goes on to the next "type". Even for some mp3 players there is "random" play mode, which would use whatever algorithm the player developer put in. I've never asked or found out what stream play software they use for the drummer stream to find out what options it has. At this point of the internet, I assume that Doug didn't have to manually tag the audio files he loaded into the stream, that the software uses similar online resources like CD rip software does to grab the metadata or even just reads the metadata that was put into the audio files when they were ripped. Sorry to rant on about this, when seems you and others were just doing casual speculation. I guess I just too sensitive and grumpy about all the investment speculation and marketing wars over a logical continuation of computer programming. /end rant
	🥁 11:55pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @11:50 oh there are citations
	11:56pm northguineahills: thanks for the sounds, sam!
	11:57pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:54 Thank you for doing part of the rant that I was too tired to do, WR.
	🥁 11:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam...have a good week... i'm acquiring a feel for opera
	11:57pm T GRavel: This show was amazing!! Thanks Sam!
	11:58pm drowsy: ↳ Dean @11:32 This show flew by! Thanks very much Sam. Good night folks.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WR @11:54 i too've noticed a good cohesion between 2, 3, or even 4 tracks in a row; and have often noticed the first song after a live program being quite appropriate. ...but i imagined it was Doug setting it up, just for brief periods of time, before letting it fly random.
	🥁 11:59pm WR: ↳ Song: "You Better Get Somebody on Your Bond" by "The Fis... Interesting, that Fisk...Singers tune is on a release that Tomkins Square made as a "name your price" release of recordings that just went into public domain. You might have already mentioned that. I was distracted listening to you program at the same time as sampling Ansonia releases.
	🥁 12:00am WR: Thank you! Sam! for the tunes!
	12:00am still b/p: ↳ Dean @11:32 You mean usage in the quote, or that in Marx's reference it could be an intended metaphor relying on something other than a straightforward take on the play story element of the agreement, which Shylock wants recognized as legally binding, that specifies the uncustomary collateral and penalty? The big cruel price exacted by a financial reins-holder?
	12:00am rw: Thank you for the rant WR. Thank you for the show Sam. Thank you for hanging out everyone.
	12:01am Robert Johnson∅: oh how the wind do howl
	12:01am still b/p: I gotta do some midnight rigorous fluting on the portico's stone columns.
	12:02am Dean: "bond": I mean I don't know what it means in the quotes. Yes, I think Shylock is vying for a strict reading of the law.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: (howlin' here too) Thanks Sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: shit's flying up and down the street

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