WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from December 29, 2013

Listener comments!
	10:01pm Dave Mandl: Evening, amigos.
	10:03pm scuttle: Off to an awesome start!
	10:04pm fleep: On behalf of animal sex brains everywhere, good evening Dave.
	10:04pm pacific standard simon: Is this really you? I thought someone else was subbing, based on the first song.
	10:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi Dave, and all the other various Dave listeners.
	10:05pm Dave Mandl: Hey fleep, scuttle, pss, Ken. Nope, it's really me.
	10:05pm pacific standard simon: Dave's Slaves.
	10:05pm Dave Mandl: @scuttle: Thanks.
	10:06pm Droll: Alleged-DM, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
	10:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: Daves is Here.
	10:07pm 12539: We'll know it's the real Mandl if he mentions Clive Bunker.
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: Clive Bunker! The best!
	10:08pm JakeGould: Hello all! Will most likely leave this text field soon, but will listen in camaraderie & joy. Thanks for the great stuff Dave!
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: And evening, Droll, DLB etc., 12539.
	10:09pm Dave Mandl: Hey Jake. My pleasure.
	10:09pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...David did not keep Slaves. He was a militant imperialist warlord after Jehovah's own heart.
	10:11pm pacific standard simon: Clive Bunker was in a short-lived band called Jude with Robin Trower, after Trower left Procul Harum. Just a hint.
	10:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: ..okay: I wanna hear that...
	10:14pm Dave Mandl: When I was a kid I preferred Barriemore Barlow, Bunker's replacement in Jethro Tull. But I've started to appreciate Bunker again in the past few years.
	10:14pm Dave Mandl: Bunker is my Facebook friend. He posts slightly nutty stuff about Obama, or at least he used to.
	10:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...'Heart Like a Rabbit': Pledge scaled down from $15/month to $10/month...
	10:17pm Droll: DM, I'm not choosy about Tull drummers, for me Tull was always an Ian Anderson solo project with a band name.
	10:18pm pacific standard simon: One of the weirdest fan pages I ever saw was one that was half fanatical Grateful Dead stuff and half right-wing rants and demands that The Dead recant their support of the left.
	10:19pm Droll: I think the jumpsuit uniforms with the letter A gave me the impression everyone in a jumpsuit is a hired sideman, the guy with bug-eyes and a flute is the one to pay attention to.
	10:20pm fleep: Chung King track unclicks itself each time I click the star, is there a remedy?
	10:20pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...three weeks of - >Dave< - Emory show have twisted my head around...
	10:21pm David L.B. is RRN63: Uncle Sam - that's who I am. You can find me ranting - on my blog about an anarchic band...
	10:22pm Droll: fleep, Damnitol taken 3 times a day, taken before meals.
	10:24pm pacific standard simon: When they say "Heart Like a Rabbit" they mean, of course, the Monty Python killer rabbit.
	10:24pm fleep: Droll, excellent. Let the not caring commence.
	10:26pm Dave Mandl: I abandoned Tull long before the jumpsuits. And really they weren't just Ian Anderson. The band, especially the drummers, were always extremely important to the group.
	10:27pm David L.B. is RRN63: fleep: If you look @ you Faves on your Profile page - you'll see they're there (pretty sure) - & the ☆s will 'fill in' later. Doesn't help keep track of them (not 'filling in') of course...perhaps even Wizard Kenzo's powers are limited by Iluvatar (that's Theology)...
	10:29pm Droll: Had to stop cooking and come back here to agree about this drummer. Spiffy stuff! Back to cooking.
	10:29pm pacific standard simon: I'm with Dave on the Tull question.
	10:31pm Tome: Hey DM hey kids! first time I saw this one had to take a 2nd look -->> bit.ly...
	10:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Twenty-some years ago, my friend and I were at the Museum Of American History in Washington. In the agricultural room, he pointed to a plaque that mentioned Jethro Tull. We had a good laugh just then.
	10:33pm Dave Mandl: @Tome: That's Tony Iommi on guitar, but the band is lip-sync'ing.
	10:33pm David L.B. is RRN63: - yeah - Tull had Tony Iommi @ the R'n'R Circus! - I wonder if he still had all his fingertips !??...
	10:34pm David L.B. is RRN63: - lip-synching - ?!
	10:35pm Tome: I know but just seeing Tony with the left hand strat!!!,, and he was with the band what like a month or so? .. or lip sych for sure that is directly from the first "This Was" record...
	10:35pm Dave Mandl: DLB: Ian Andersson is singing, but the rest of it is on tape.
	10:35pm Dave Mandl: Iommi was in the band for about a week.
	10:36pm fleep: RRN63, yes, Chung King is there, thanks for the tip. Fave list is so handy for following groups/artists later on, got on a Majutsu No Niwa jag last night after Long Rally.
	10:37pm Tome: well I'm playing "air bass" but loving the show as always !!
	10:38pm David L.B. is RRN63: - ha! The Wh♂ smoked the R'n'R Circus! - & Dirty Mac is something else too...The Stones thot they were sub-par - but I think they're great. Sadly, Brian Jones is totally >out of it<, however...
	10:46pm Mitt's Tathiti Marlin: Hey save me a seat for the radio fueled party tonight!
	10:48pm pacific standard simon: It's a Big Table.
	10:48pm Dave Mandl: MTM: You got it.
	10:50pm thorntooth grenadier: @PSS When your're here your're home, just like a big Italian family except for the passive-aggressive chit-chat over chianti.
	10:54pm pacific standard simon: We used to have hippie vegetarian dinners over a huge table made from a utility company cable spool. Wine would have been a blessing.
	10:55pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...I have wine. A hippie vegetarian dinner would be a blessing...
	10:57pm Tarpon Megalops: I decorated my first apartment with spools for tables; sides decoupaged with my dad's empty Camel unfiltered cigarette packs. And kept a woodburner on hand for guests to burn art work on the top. Eventually upgraded and had a friend surface the tops with faux leather formica.
	10:57pm Doctor B.: Damn! I never thought I'd hear that Charles Amirkhanian track ever again! Dutiful! D-D-D-Dutiful!
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Dr. B: Wishes do come true.
	10:59pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...no fowls made by them diligent mallards & mates...
	11:00pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...excepting offspring obviously.
	11:00pm pacific standard simon: You say that, but do I hear Montrose...? Noooooo.... ;)
	11:01pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...get on your bad mallard scooter & ride pss...
	11:05pm pacific standard simon: Ducks ducks! Ducks on the wall!
	11:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Radical Rodent & Revolution Rabbit bear the same relation to each other as do the People's Front of Judea to the Judean People's Front...
	11:10pm pacific standard simon: Consistently burning the couscous.
	11:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...ah well - there's still wine pss...
	11:13pm Droll: Dinner still burns my lips, but my Sriracha bottle is getting low. Is it true there's going to be a shortage in 2014? Should I stockpile?
	11:15pm pacific standard simon: I've already put aside an extra bottle, just in case. Now I'm wondering if it should go sideways.
	11:15pm David L.B. is RRN63: Droll: BBC says it's ok : www.bbc.co.uk... ...not sure about the couscous...
	11:17pm David L.B. is RRN63: - oh - hot sauce shortage! ...It's harsh you get used to something...
	11:17pm fleep: Global Sriracha shortage threatens all life on earth boingboing.net...
	11:21pm pacific standard simon: @RRN63 - I figured out that your link was a goof pretty quickly, but was entranced by another link at the bottom of the same page: www.bbc.co.uk...
	11:22pm Droll: pss, If the Sriracha requires decanting, it is past the "Best By" date. fleep, Have you ever tried ketchup in phở? They don't call it "Hipster Ketchup" for nuthin'. Accept no substitutes.
	11:24pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...BBC News still good for something...
	11:26pm pacific standard simon: As you might have guessed, John Fahey could be a dick.
	11:28pm Dave Mandl: @pss: Yeah, so they say.
	11:29pm pacific standard simon: I like to mix sriracha with ketchup for french fry dipping.
	11:30pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fleep & RRN63: When a star looks like it's unclicked itself, fear not: it's just an illusion that happens when the DJ makes an edit to the song info. It'll fill back in in 54 seconds or less!
	11:30pm Droll: If I could get a rejection letter from Fahey, I'd frame it. They (The Industry) haven't returned tapes since the 60's, and written individual rejections since the 70's, or any notification at all since the 80's.
	11:31pm Dave Mandl: Kenzo: So it's my fault. Figures.
	11:32pm fleep: Droll, Sriracha: chilis, sugar, salt. Avoiding the latter two means if I want heat, I just dice up a jalapeno.
	11:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): P.S. I've got my jerk seasoning, kalonji, and homemade pineapple habanero sauce goin' right now.
	11:32pm Droll: 54 SECONDS?! [Rolling eyes] I thought you used "technology".
	11:32pm David L.B. is RRN63: - I think Irwin said Fahey told Mogerman to get a particualr kind of Therapy. Not exactly creative mentoring...
	11:32pm pacific standard simon: Good point, Droll. And thanks for the information, Ken!
	11:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): You can make it shorter than 54 seconds by hitting reload on the playlist page, Mr. Droll.
	11:32pm fleep: Kenzo: danke!
	11:33pm pacific standard simon: @fleep - GARLIC. Lots of garlic.
	11:34pm Droll: kenzo, Me hit reload? I can't hit reload every time fleep wants an update!
	11:35pm tepid charger: If your an artist being asked to give encouragement to an aspiring artist, it's a tough call. I seem to remember a story about Jon Bon Jovi, while employed as a janitor in a recording studio asking Bruce Springsteen for advice (which was not encouraging). So, depending how you look at it....Springsteen might have just been trying to protect us all from Bon Jovi. And of course, Bon Jovi will never let Springsteen forget it.
	11:37pm David L.B. is RRN63: - I have found that Artists have enuff ego invested in their own particular Vision that they don't always relate to Another's...which makes sense in a way - because they have chosen to do it this way - not some other guy's - if you see what I mean...
	11:38pm pacific standard simon: I've been reading the biography of Richard Brautigan lately. It makes it pretty clear that if you were a writer looking for advice or encouragement, you would be making a big mistake talking to Brautigan.
	11:41pm Dave Mandl: Professional jealousy, I guess. Not a huge surprise, though many successful artists are generous and encouraging to the new kids.
	11:42pm David L.B. is RRN63: 'The best advice is __ advice @ all.' - John Cage ...Like - if I were to show the rudiments of Guitar to anyone, I would start by saying do what makes sense to you anyway; Bach wrote for lute, not guitar: to quote Austin Powers - it's history is it's been the village bicycle - everyone's had a ride...
	11:42pm pacific standard simon: And to wrap up that thought, I would never put sriracha in pho, but I do have a few drops on my poached eggs in the morning.
	11:43pm Pintos and grease: Yes, personal vision probably clouds all serious artists perspective. But if, from experience, you know that you have just heard (or seen) crap, you know you'll be hated for saying so, or worse, lie to fella', likely sending them into a goose chase life of hardship and frustration. Like you mention, it can be just a simple matter of ego that gets between any reasonable criticism.
	11:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...yerknow - most people can't get to The Shaggs anyhow - right - ??...
	11:45pm Droll: DM, At first I thought the same thing, but the most humble musicians who will break down everything and show you for free (YT has dozens of examples). They have no secret to keep: Van Halen sounds like Eddie regardless of the gear. Ditto Beck, Belew, May, Holdwsorth, Snakefinger, B.B. King, Fripp...
	11:48pm Lil' T-Bird Ford: Clapton made an telling statement in the beginning of his career, explaining exactly what settings he used to get his sound...as if that information was going to help ANYONE play as masterfully as he. It wasn't the treble setting that made Clapton a legend.
	11:50pm Dave Mandl: Keith Richards's comments on his 5-string guitar playing in his autobiography were interesting. He said thousands of people have tried to copy his stuff but couldn't because they were using normal 6-strings with standard tuning.
	11:50pm David L.B. is RRN63: - than again, knowing he was fiddling w/ the tone knob does make a difference!...The accepted wisodm now is that if you have the stuff to begin w/ - it takes 10,000 hours to master anything: this characterizes the Coltranes & Hendrix's: they are inseperable from their instruments...
	11:51pm pacific standard simon: I've spent many many hours trying to teach baking, and my experience is that most of them ignore what you tell them anyway.
	11:52pm Droll: It was Nigel Tufnel's volume setting, however, that made him famous, and is the secret to his tone. One of my amps goes to Infinity, but it's actually impedance, not volume... pss, Sorry, did you say something?
	11:53pm David L.B. is RRN63: Ancient Taoist Wisdom: Student comes to Teacher - not the other way around...
	11:54pm Wildcat Impala: I would tend to claim they are inseparable from their talents and discipline. They could pick up any store bought instrument and make it come alive with sheer virtuosity. Hendrix did a lot of electronic tricks with the circuitry too, of course.
	11:55pm road runner duster: Sufi wisdom is that the master serves the student.
	11:55pm Droll: Oh crap! It's over already! Bye DM! Sorry it's over already, seem's like there should still be time for a long pause and some Mellotron...
	11:57pm pacific standard simon: True, because the student cannot help himself.
	11:57pm David L.B. is RRN63: - also true: nothing of Jimi's was standard 'off the shelf': guitar upside-down, tuned half-step down, pickups rewired (by himself), amps rewired, stompboxes to order, &tc. ... - After the Student has come, sure...
	11:57pm 12539: Thanks Mr Mandl!
	11:58pm Andrew Waterloo: You can't just practice though, you also have to experiment. I find a lot of young students get stuck practicing the small collection of things they learn and never try to sound like the musicians that inspire them because they think they're not ready for that page..
	11:58pm pacific standard simon: Riiiiight... IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES, DAVE.
	11:58pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, folks. Have a great new year!
	11:58pm Lark and Eagle: I think the philosophy behind the Sufi is that a student must be able to allow himself to be served before he can learn to learn
	11:59pm Droll: Ahhh, when cats really played faster than MIDI...
	12:00am Dave Mandl: @Droll: I have some Mellotron with me, but I didn't get to it. Next time.
	12:01am pacific standard simon: 2014: More Mellotron!
	12:01am Droll: For those wishing to hear the rest: www.youtube.com...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from December 29, 2013

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December 29, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album
Orchestra of Spheres	2,000,000 Years	Vibration Animal Sex Brain Music
X-Ray Pop	Le Bateau Cellulose "Le Bateau Cellulose" by "X-Ray Pop"	Ding Dong Songs
Herb Ellis	Chung King "Chung King" by "Herb Ellis"	Gravy Waltz
Shayna Dulberger	Heart Like a Rabbit	Ache & Flutter

Cassiber	It's Never Quiet "It's Never Quiet" by "Cassiber"	Cassiber Box
Giuseppe Ielasi & Nicola Ratti	[track 5]	Bellows
Ronnie Boykins	Dawn Is Evening, Afternoon	The Will Come, Is Now
Coxhill/Minton/Akchote	The Christmas Song	7"

Matthew Shipp	Cosmic Shuffle "Cosmic Shuffle" by "Matthew Shipp"	Piano Sutras
Tom Recchion	A Christmas Filled with Tears	7"
Charles Amirkhanian	Dutiful Ducks	Lexical Music
Chihei Hatakeyama	Renitency "Renitency" by "Chihei Hatakeyama"	Mirror

The Capybaras	Radical Rodent "Radical Rodent" by "The Capybaras"	Stropicalia
Wayne Mason	Quietly Burning Down Conscousness	Vague Directives
Sol Mogerman	Old Man "Old Man" by "Sol Mogerman"	Wishbone Bridge 1971-1972
Maurice Deebank	Maestoso con Anima	Inner Thought Zone
Vincent Le Masne and Bertrand Porquet	Clin d'Oeuvre	Guitares Dérive

Murat Tepeli	Nafile Gitmiyor Hasreti Remix	V/A: New German Ethnic Music
Sainkho Namchylak/Shelley Hirsch/Catherine Bott	The Virgin's Hollow	Temenos OST
Ross Bolleter	And Then I Saw the Wind	Secret Sandhills and Satellites
Curt Boetcher	Without Her "Without Her" by "Curt Boetcher"	There's an Innocent Face
The Dutch Jazz Orchestra	Blue Star	Portrait of a Silk Thread
Elliot Sharp	Arc of Venus "Arc of Venus" by "Elliot Sharp"	Aggregat Quintet

Miles Davis	Dr. Jekyll "Dr. Jekyll" by "Miles Davis"	The Original Mono Recordings

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Listener comments!
	10:01pm Dave Mandl: Evening, amigos.
	10:03pm scuttle: Off to an awesome start!
	10:04pm fleep: On behalf of animal sex brains everywhere, good evening Dave.
	10:04pm pacific standard simon: Is this really you? I thought someone else was subbing, based on the first song.
	10:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi Dave, and all the other various Dave listeners.
	10:05pm Dave Mandl: Hey fleep, scuttle, pss, Ken. Nope, it's really me.
	10:05pm pacific standard simon: Dave's Slaves.
	10:05pm Dave Mandl: @scuttle: Thanks.
	10:06pm Droll: Alleged-DM, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
	10:07pm David L.B. is RRN63: Daves is Here.
	10:07pm 12539: We'll know it's the real Mandl if he mentions Clive Bunker.
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: Clive Bunker! The best!
	10:08pm JakeGould: Hello all! Will most likely leave this text field soon, but will listen in camaraderie & joy. Thanks for the great stuff Dave!
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: And evening, Droll, DLB etc., 12539.
	10:09pm Dave Mandl: Hey Jake. My pleasure.
	10:09pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...David did not keep Slaves. He was a militant imperialist warlord after Jehovah's own heart.
	10:11pm pacific standard simon: Clive Bunker was in a short-lived band called Jude with Robin Trower, after Trower left Procul Harum. Just a hint.
	10:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: ..okay: I wanna hear that...
	10:14pm Dave Mandl: When I was a kid I preferred Barriemore Barlow, Bunker's replacement in Jethro Tull. But I've started to appreciate Bunker again in the past few years.
	10:14pm Dave Mandl: Bunker is my Facebook friend. He posts slightly nutty stuff about Obama, or at least he used to.
	10:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...'Heart Like a Rabbit': Pledge scaled down from $15/month to $10/month...
	10:17pm Droll: DM, I'm not choosy about Tull drummers, for me Tull was always an Ian Anderson solo project with a band name.
	10:18pm pacific standard simon: One of the weirdest fan pages I ever saw was one that was half fanatical Grateful Dead stuff and half right-wing rants and demands that The Dead recant their support of the left.
	10:19pm Droll: I think the jumpsuit uniforms with the letter A gave me the impression everyone in a jumpsuit is a hired sideman, the guy with bug-eyes and a flute is the one to pay attention to.
	10:20pm fleep: Chung King track unclicks itself each time I click the star, is there a remedy?
	10:20pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...three weeks of - >Dave< - Emory show have twisted my head around...
	10:21pm David L.B. is RRN63: Uncle Sam - that's who I am. You can find me ranting - on my blog about an anarchic band...
	10:22pm Droll: fleep, Damnitol taken 3 times a day, taken before meals.
	10:24pm pacific standard simon: When they say "Heart Like a Rabbit" they mean, of course, the Monty Python killer rabbit.
	10:24pm fleep: Droll, excellent. Let the not caring commence.
	10:26pm Dave Mandl: I abandoned Tull long before the jumpsuits. And really they weren't just Ian Anderson. The band, especially the drummers, were always extremely important to the group.
	10:27pm David L.B. is RRN63: fleep: If you look @ you Faves on your Profile page - you'll see they're there (pretty sure) - & the ☆s will 'fill in' later. Doesn't help keep track of them (not 'filling in') of course...perhaps even Wizard Kenzo's powers are limited by Iluvatar (that's Theology)...
	10:29pm Droll: Had to stop cooking and come back here to agree about this drummer. Spiffy stuff! Back to cooking.
	10:29pm pacific standard simon: I'm with Dave on the Tull question.
	10:31pm Tome: Hey DM hey kids! first time I saw this one had to take a 2nd look -->> bit.ly...
	10:32pm Ken From Hyde Park: Twenty-some years ago, my friend and I were at the Museum Of American History in Washington. In the agricultural room, he pointed to a plaque that mentioned Jethro Tull. We had a good laugh just then.
	10:33pm Dave Mandl: @Tome: That's Tony Iommi on guitar, but the band is lip-sync'ing.
	10:33pm David L.B. is RRN63: - yeah - Tull had Tony Iommi @ the R'n'R Circus! - I wonder if he still had all his fingertips !??...
	10:34pm David L.B. is RRN63: - lip-synching - ?!
	10:35pm Tome: I know but just seeing Tony with the left hand strat!!!,, and he was with the band what like a month or so? .. or lip sych for sure that is directly from the first "This Was" record...
	10:35pm Dave Mandl: DLB: Ian Andersson is singing, but the rest of it is on tape.
	10:35pm Dave Mandl: Iommi was in the band for about a week.
	10:36pm fleep: RRN63, yes, Chung King is there, thanks for the tip. Fave list is so handy for following groups/artists later on, got on a Majutsu No Niwa jag last night after Long Rally.
	10:37pm Tome: well I'm playing "air bass" but loving the show as always !!
	10:38pm David L.B. is RRN63: - ha! The Wh♂ smoked the R'n'R Circus! - & Dirty Mac is something else too...The Stones thot they were sub-par - but I think they're great. Sadly, Brian Jones is totally >out of it<, however...
	10:46pm Mitt's Tathiti Marlin: Hey save me a seat for the radio fueled party tonight!
	10:48pm pacific standard simon: It's a Big Table.
	10:48pm Dave Mandl: MTM: You got it.
	10:50pm thorntooth grenadier: @PSS When your're here your're home, just like a big Italian family except for the passive-aggressive chit-chat over chianti.
	10:54pm pacific standard simon: We used to have hippie vegetarian dinners over a huge table made from a utility company cable spool. Wine would have been a blessing.
	10:55pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...I have wine. A hippie vegetarian dinner would be a blessing...
	10:57pm Tarpon Megalops: I decorated my first apartment with spools for tables; sides decoupaged with my dad's empty Camel unfiltered cigarette packs. And kept a woodburner on hand for guests to burn art work on the top. Eventually upgraded and had a friend surface the tops with faux leather formica.
	10:57pm Doctor B.: Damn! I never thought I'd hear that Charles Amirkhanian track ever again! Dutiful! D-D-D-Dutiful!
	10:59pm Dave Mandl: Dr. B: Wishes do come true.
	10:59pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...no fowls made by them diligent mallards & mates...
	11:00pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...excepting offspring obviously.
	11:00pm pacific standard simon: You say that, but do I hear Montrose...? Noooooo.... ;)
	11:01pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...get on your bad mallard scooter & ride pss...
	11:05pm pacific standard simon: Ducks ducks! Ducks on the wall!
	11:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Radical Rodent & Revolution Rabbit bear the same relation to each other as do the People's Front of Judea to the Judean People's Front...
	11:10pm pacific standard simon: Consistently burning the couscous.
	11:11pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...ah well - there's still wine pss...
	11:13pm Droll: Dinner still burns my lips, but my Sriracha bottle is getting low. Is it true there's going to be a shortage in 2014? Should I stockpile?
	11:15pm pacific standard simon: I've already put aside an extra bottle, just in case. Now I'm wondering if it should go sideways.
	11:15pm David L.B. is RRN63: Droll: BBC says it's ok : www.bbc.co.uk... ...not sure about the couscous...
	11:17pm David L.B. is RRN63: - oh - hot sauce shortage! ...It's harsh you get used to something...
	11:17pm fleep: Global Sriracha shortage threatens all life on earth boingboing.net...
	11:21pm pacific standard simon: @RRN63 - I figured out that your link was a goof pretty quickly, but was entranced by another link at the bottom of the same page: www.bbc.co.uk...
	11:22pm Droll: pss, If the Sriracha requires decanting, it is past the "Best By" date. fleep, Have you ever tried ketchup in phở? They don't call it "Hipster Ketchup" for nuthin'. Accept no substitutes.
	11:24pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...BBC News still good for something...
	11:26pm pacific standard simon: As you might have guessed, John Fahey could be a dick.
	11:28pm Dave Mandl: @pss: Yeah, so they say.
	11:29pm pacific standard simon: I like to mix sriracha with ketchup for french fry dipping.
	11:30pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fleep & RRN63: When a star looks like it's unclicked itself, fear not: it's just an illusion that happens when the DJ makes an edit to the song info. It'll fill back in in 54 seconds or less!
	11:30pm Droll: If I could get a rejection letter from Fahey, I'd frame it. They (The Industry) haven't returned tapes since the 60's, and written individual rejections since the 70's, or any notification at all since the 80's.
	11:31pm Dave Mandl: Kenzo: So it's my fault. Figures.
	11:32pm fleep: Droll, Sriracha: chilis, sugar, salt. Avoiding the latter two means if I want heat, I just dice up a jalapeno.
	11:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): P.S. I've got my jerk seasoning, kalonji, and homemade pineapple habanero sauce goin' right now.
	11:32pm Droll: 54 SECONDS?! [Rolling eyes] I thought you used "technology".
	11:32pm David L.B. is RRN63: - I think Irwin said Fahey told Mogerman to get a particualr kind of Therapy. Not exactly creative mentoring...
	11:32pm pacific standard simon: Good point, Droll. And thanks for the information, Ken!
	11:32pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): You can make it shorter than 54 seconds by hitting reload on the playlist page, Mr. Droll.
	11:32pm fleep: Kenzo: danke!
	11:33pm pacific standard simon: @fleep - GARLIC. Lots of garlic.
	11:34pm Droll: kenzo, Me hit reload? I can't hit reload every time fleep wants an update!
	11:35pm tepid charger: If your an artist being asked to give encouragement to an aspiring artist, it's a tough call. I seem to remember a story about Jon Bon Jovi, while employed as a janitor in a recording studio asking Bruce Springsteen for advice (which was not encouraging). So, depending how you look at it....Springsteen might have just been trying to protect us all from Bon Jovi. And of course, Bon Jovi will never let Springsteen forget it.
	11:37pm David L.B. is RRN63: - I have found that Artists have enuff ego invested in their own particular Vision that they don't always relate to Another's...which makes sense in a way - because they have chosen to do it this way - not some other guy's - if you see what I mean...
	11:38pm pacific standard simon: I've been reading the biography of Richard Brautigan lately. It makes it pretty clear that if you were a writer looking for advice or encouragement, you would be making a big mistake talking to Brautigan.
	11:41pm Dave Mandl: Professional jealousy, I guess. Not a huge surprise, though many successful artists are generous and encouraging to the new kids.
	11:42pm David L.B. is RRN63: 'The best advice is __ advice @ all.' - John Cage ...Like - if I were to show the rudiments of Guitar to anyone, I would start by saying do what makes sense to you anyway; Bach wrote for lute, not guitar: to quote Austin Powers - it's history is it's been the village bicycle - everyone's had a ride...
	11:42pm pacific standard simon: And to wrap up that thought, I would never put sriracha in pho, but I do have a few drops on my poached eggs in the morning.
	11:43pm Pintos and grease: Yes, personal vision probably clouds all serious artists perspective. But if, from experience, you know that you have just heard (or seen) crap, you know you'll be hated for saying so, or worse, lie to fella', likely sending them into a goose chase life of hardship and frustration. Like you mention, it can be just a simple matter of ego that gets between any reasonable criticism.
	11:45pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...yerknow - most people can't get to The Shaggs anyhow - right - ??...
	11:45pm Droll: DM, At first I thought the same thing, but the most humble musicians who will break down everything and show you for free (YT has dozens of examples). They have no secret to keep: Van Halen sounds like Eddie regardless of the gear. Ditto Beck, Belew, May, Holdwsorth, Snakefinger, B.B. King, Fripp...
	11:48pm Lil' T-Bird Ford: Clapton made an telling statement in the beginning of his career, explaining exactly what settings he used to get his sound...as if that information was going to help ANYONE play as masterfully as he. It wasn't the treble setting that made Clapton a legend.
	11:50pm Dave Mandl: Keith Richards's comments on his 5-string guitar playing in his autobiography were interesting. He said thousands of people have tried to copy his stuff but couldn't because they were using normal 6-strings with standard tuning.
	11:50pm David L.B. is RRN63: - than again, knowing he was fiddling w/ the tone knob does make a difference!...The accepted wisodm now is that if you have the stuff to begin w/ - it takes 10,000 hours to master anything: this characterizes the Coltranes & Hendrix's: they are inseperable from their instruments...
	11:51pm pacific standard simon: I've spent many many hours trying to teach baking, and my experience is that most of them ignore what you tell them anyway.
	11:52pm Droll: It was Nigel Tufnel's volume setting, however, that made him famous, and is the secret to his tone. One of my amps goes to Infinity, but it's actually impedance, not volume... pss, Sorry, did you say something?
	11:53pm David L.B. is RRN63: Ancient Taoist Wisdom: Student comes to Teacher - not the other way around...
	11:54pm Wildcat Impala: I would tend to claim they are inseparable from their talents and discipline. They could pick up any store bought instrument and make it come alive with sheer virtuosity. Hendrix did a lot of electronic tricks with the circuitry too, of course.
	11:55pm road runner duster: Sufi wisdom is that the master serves the student.
	11:55pm Droll: Oh crap! It's over already! Bye DM! Sorry it's over already, seem's like there should still be time for a long pause and some Mellotron...
	11:57pm pacific standard simon: True, because the student cannot help himself.
	11:57pm David L.B. is RRN63: - also true: nothing of Jimi's was standard 'off the shelf': guitar upside-down, tuned half-step down, pickups rewired (by himself), amps rewired, stompboxes to order, &tc. ... - After the Student has come, sure...
	11:57pm 12539: Thanks Mr Mandl!
	11:58pm Andrew Waterloo: You can't just practice though, you also have to experiment. I find a lot of young students get stuck practicing the small collection of things they learn and never try to sound like the musicians that inspire them because they think they're not ready for that page..
	11:58pm pacific standard simon: Riiiiight... IN THE LAST TWO MINUTES, DAVE.
	11:58pm Dave Mandl: Thanks, folks. Have a great new year!
	11:58pm Lark and Eagle: I think the philosophy behind the Sufi is that a student must be able to allow himself to be served before he can learn to learn
	11:59pm Droll: Ahhh, when cats really played faster than MIDI...
	12:00am Dave Mandl: @Droll: I have some Mellotron with me, but I didn't get to it. Next time.
	12:01am pacific standard simon: 2014: More Mellotron!
	12:01am Droll: For those wishing to hear the rest: www.youtube.com...

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from December 29, 2013

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