WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 25, 2014

Listener comments!
	9:03am doca: Hi Trouble and co-Trouble-host (whose name I forgot or do not know)
	9:05am van: good morning Trouble, and whoever else is in the house
	9:05am jeg: juan trip**** !!!!
	9:06am common: hey trouble, doca, van!
	9:06am Matheus: beautiful transition from juantrip to rocket juice!
	9:06am Benjamen Walker: WARBLE!!!
	9:07am Guido (Cologne): Good morning Trouble! Hello and guten TZAG everyone!
	9:08am Trouble: good fundraising day all peeps! power to the peeps! thanks matheus, i'm all about the beautiful transitions!
	9:11am Konin: Allons y, les enfants, vos gages! Mettre en gage!
	9:11am Andrew Waterloo: Bonjour mes amis!
	9:12am Konin: Gainsborough!
	9:12am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Wie gehts?!? Oh, merci...
	9:12am Benjamen Walker: My question to the world: could you survive Tuesday without Trouble? I know I could not! So let's show our love and open up the wallets!
	9:12am Alfred Ron Richards: Surge! Gains borough!
	9:13am Alfred Ron Richards: Stiv, vein us.
	9:14am Benjamen Walker: plus... she made cookies this morning!
	9:15am SeanG: money money money
	9:18am still b/p: This is like "come on back to my place on Venus and we'll turn the lights down lowwwww."
	9:18am kepasweet: this jamm=so fresh, so clean
	9:19am Benjamen Walker: yes yes - come over and we will waft on the vaporous fumes
	9:20am Andrew Waterloo: it also feels like the settings menu of a video game.
	9:21am Benjamen Walker: Pledge now and you can win MARCOS VALLE * PRIVISAO DO TEMPO
	9:21am still b/p: The art today -- Paris poster 1968? There are great graphics from the protest period.
	9:21am Alfred Ron Richards: ...or on a CD/DVD cleaning disc...
	9:23am Adrian in London: Hello all. I'm a Pledge for Lifer so am smugly listening without any strain on my conscience. ;-)
	9:25am listener james from westwood: Howdy from WFMU's phone room! The love is in full effect.
	9:28am Tiago: yes, I'm listening doing well on the portuguese methinks
	9:30am Uncle Michael: Storm the Bastille!
	9:31am Rob W: Be young and pledge!
	9:32am Benjamen Walker: Cause Trouble!
	9:33am Andrew Waterloo: Be caffeinated and pledge vigorously and then relax with the bird sounds.
	9:39am Cheri Pi: this is my favorite version of this song.
	9:41am Andrew Waterloo: @Cheri I like the Hybrid Kids version as well
	9:41am common: i'm comin, sun ra.
	9:43am P-90: Ladies and Gentlemen, lets hear it for Benjy and the Benjamins!
	9:43am tomasz.: "Boredom is counterrevolutionary" is good May '68 graffiti for FMU
	9:44am Andrew Waterloo: Troubles Mystery Science Radio 3000?
	9:44am P-90: "Trans Saturn Express" w/ DJ Trouble
	9:46am Cecile: Yes, please post it on the page.
	9:47am Ralphine: Sadly, I'm old enough to remember seeing Sun Ra on Saturday Night Live.
	9:47am Cecile: Ralphine, me too. It freaked me the hell out.
	9:48am P-90: .....oh I thought she said "I miss the asses when they're not there", I get it now
	9:48am common: fishing with jon is so good! john...jon.
	9:48am Andrew Waterloo: Fishing with John is the first DVD I ever bought.
	9:49am common: love the willem defoe episode.
	9:49am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: The one with Waits is pretty good. "Feeling a little queasy.."
	9:50am r i s k y: Fishing with John! Oh boy (Wont be the first VHS ive gotten off Trouble!)
	9:50am P-90: I'm trying to remember, one or two very major diudes wound up telling J. Lurie to fuck off
	9:51am Cecile: I want John Lurie to go fishing with Jeremy (River Monsters) Wade. Wade is a gentleman, loves nature and is ballsy as hell. (Went to Chernobyl and wore a Geiger counter to check out legends of giant sturgeons).
	9:51am Scott McDowell: Wow, I want Trouble's premium already!!
	9:52am TDK60: Good Trouble that you're recalling France '68. A good text is the pamphlet 'Worker-Student Action Committees, France, May '68' by R Gregoire & Fredy Perlman, available at AK Press. I'm just about to pledge by phone!
	9:52am P-90: "DUDES" damn this app
	9:53am Cecile: Scott, yeah, I'd just take those puppies right to the DVD transfer place.
	9:53am herb.nyc: i just tuned in. have there been any bird sounds? my kitty is intrigued by them. tho she's at home now & i'm at work, but the stereo is on for her. (she just loves JM IN THE AM.)
	9:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: This Volta Jazz tune is killer.
	9:54am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: the birds have been replaced by BW.
	9:54am Emily in VT: Yay! Fishing with John. Love it!
	9:54am Benjamen Walker: chiiirrrrp
	9:55am Cecile: But, seriously, River Monsters is a cool show.
	9:56am Benjamen Walker: let's get these phones ringing.. they are the modern birds...
	9:56am Andrew Waterloo: I always loved the line: "Both fishermen are covered with sores and boners"
	9:57am Faye: <3
	9:58am Cecile: faye!
	9:59am herb.nyc: i just love FM IN THE AM, i.e., FRENCH MUSIC in the morning. excuse me, i have to pledge now...
	10:01am Faye: oyé Cecile!
	10:03am Cecile: que tal?
	10:05am Cecile: Yes. Strikes did immobilze people in the 1800s
	10:05am Uncle Michael: The students and workers turned May in France into August in France?
	10:05am Cecile: And shortages and strikes do hamper people. But since there is no labor beat left in the mainstream media, you never hear about it.
	10:06am Cecile: de nada
	10:08am herb.nyc: wow, people are talking about STRIKES? such was brought up at our union meeting at city college of new york, last wk. my co-worker wants multi-union solidarity. i like it, but don't see it happening. oh OCCUPY, ou etes-vous?
	10:10am bobdoesthings: what kinda cookies are we talkin here?
	10:10am Lewis: Fishing with John is Great!
	10:11am Lewis: VHS perhaps not so much….
	10:11am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: I saw "Fishing with John" at the Knitting Factory back in the 90s and I give that film 4 stars. Thumbs up!
	10:11am jk: Warble! What is it good for
	10:12am Benjamen Walker: I saw it at the Harvard Film ARchive.. same time.. he brought his parents to the screening!
	10:12am Marcel M: Morning Bob, I think she said peanut butter oatmeal chocolate chip or something magical like that.
	10:12am Trouble: peanut butter oatmeal chocolate cookies are the crak fueling the wfmu fire this morning!
	10:13am Marcel M: Good to hear your voice again Benjamen!
	10:16am bobdoesthings: yooo marcel, those sound delicious
	10:16am AndrewC.: If I pledge to a bunch of different shows, does it work out a total? So I can ask for the swag for the total amount, not for the individual little amounts?
	10:17am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: AndrewC: yes.
	10:17am Andrew Waterloo: @AndrewC, yes, that's what I did last year.
	10:18am dale: andrew - you can just click the bill me later option and get a tally at the end and pick your swag then
	10:19am AndrewC.: Thanks - will give it a try...
	10:19am Cecile: no, andrew. You have to pledge the amount they ask. I pledged in advance as a prize account, and unless there is a special prize for "Mouse of Today" people who pledge in advance, I have to pony up the money the premium requires.
	10:19am duke: @AndrewC you can also give an amount all at once and apportion the credit to several different shows.
	10:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - oh! - are those no-bake cookies - ?! We have a local compnay called 'Three Little Birds' makes great ones like that. - Thx for asking AndrewC! I do $10/month anyway - but I want $50 during the Marathon (that's all I can swing) to get me a T-Shirt.
	10:19am Cecile: Oh, yeah, you can do that for total swag. But for on-air swag, you have to pledge the amount.
	10:20am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: you can basically do it any way you want--FMU is accommodating.
	10:20am Trouble: these cookies were baked, they are gluten free and killllller
	10:23am Caryn: Hello all! Back home from work and ready to focus on the Marathon.
	10:24am Andrew Waterloo: Trouble Baked Killlller Cookies
	10:24am Vivian: I pledged at the $180 level. One of the benefits is naming rights on one of the items shown in the WFMU adoption gallery however, how do I make my claim?
	10:26am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...okay: I don't eat animals but I still eat dairy; I just learned that most cheese uses rennet from slaughtered young calf stomachs: Data? Thots ?
	10:27am Stu: Finland in the house!
	10:29am Lewis: The knowledge is truly the deepest resource! The DJs are very good musical historians etc. To say nothing of the knowledge you can tap through these boards!
	10:32am Cecile: I'm an omnivore carnivore. For you, you have to research your cheese Seek out cruelty free dairy farms or cheeses that don't use rennet.
	10:32am dale: rev rab - there are vegan sources of rennet. you'd have to investigate the cheese maker.
	10:32am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Station Manager Ken needs you, you don't need Station Manager Ken
	10:32am listener james from westwood: RevRabbit: I believe that is correct, but if cheese expert Wendy is somewhere out there, she'd be our authority.
	10:32am Cecile: Stu! Team Suomi brought it last week!
	10:32am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - so true Lewis - it's Music, Kultcha - & Community ...& frankly - the FMU Comments Boards had me Larfing my Arse Off from Day One !!...
	10:33am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: RRN63: you can get vegetable rennet cheese. Not gourmet or anything but serviceable.
	10:33am pierre: Hello Trouble, Ben W and friends !!!
	10:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: it is true. You can also get microbial rennet cheese I believe. I just avoid the whole damn thing now...
	10:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Thx - & good point ljames; she's in Vt-NH like I am too !...
	10:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Yes, Wendy can fill you in with anything you need to know cheese-wise.
	10:35am Stu: Cecile, yeah...I took a beating at work yesterday ( being the American there!) ha ha ! Biggest thing since ...well anyway Cheers to Trouble!!!!!
	10:35am duke: I sometimes make the mistake of reading comments on news and other sites. One of the great things about the FMU comment board is that there is almost never any kind of abusive or obnoxious behavior you see on lots of sites. I don't know if the DJs can filter comments, but I attribute it to the fact that FMU listeners are just the best people.
	10:35am Guido (Cologne): @RRN63 Most rennet today is artificial. but the cows need calves for producing milk. most of the calves get saughtered. depends of what your goals are. if you're straight about no animal-killing at all, so no milk products. If you're just about reducing mass-meat-production some cheese might be still ok.
	10:35am ?: @Vivian, go to the Adoption Gallery, pick an item, send an email request from the link on the item's page.
	10:36am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: duke: we were talking about the same thing yesterday. Higher order of people on FMU comments.
	10:37am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Vegetable rennet cheese. Pretty freely available.
	10:37am listener james from westwood: I can count the # of trolls I've seen on the FMU boards on less than 1 hand. Great commenters and great moderation.
	10:37am common: yea, duke. surprised last week when i saw some horrid shit from some commenter. it's shocking when it happens.
	10:39am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - grim but informative Guido.
	10:39am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: the funny thing is it's pretty much self-managed here. Sure people can be censored but I think the trolls move on pretty quickly when they catch the mood.
	10:39am Cecile: you and me both, common. I won't forget last Thursday anytime soon.
	10:40am duke: @common yes, it's so rare that it shocks you when it happens. I noticed that occasion last week and definitely thought WTF!? The DJ told the person to cool it.
	10:41am Cecile: I personally see no use for veal. I have tried it. It tastes like nothing. Let the little cows grow up and get old and tasty on grass and sunshine.
	10:41am Cecile: duke, I heard later they banned his stupid ass. Good.
	10:41am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Ah Guido: I see your point. calf slaughter is a side product of livestock farming whether you eat the meat or drink the milk. You're right. Another point to keep in mind (then I shut up) is it's becoming apparent that all livestock farming combined is putting more than 50% of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Not really proven but even half that is not good. Done.
	10:43am duke: @cecile Good!
	10:43am Benjamen Walker: Trouble just set a goal - and we are now 45% of the way there... lets take her over the top! ONWARDS!
	10:43am Cecile: Yeah, that was awesome to hear.
	10:44am Ike: Unfortunately we've had a few persistent mentally-ill commenters lately, but even they sometimes behave themselves. I feel kind of bad for them, some of them clearly need better medication (or to take their meds at all in the first place) or maybe they're just lonely, what w/repeatedly replying to themselves.
	10:45am Cecile: I am totally pacing myself. BUt there are more $15 premiums than ever, so that's cool.
	10:45am Vivian: Thanks ?.
	10:45am bibi: hi everyone ! just 14 kilometers so far in this marathon. i'll walk for a while.
	10:46am Guido (Cologne): i think it is a good idea to promote delicious vegetable cooking and to demonstrate how to produce best omami tastes from veggie food. There are some trick, you don't even need soy-replacement-products. A good culture of cooking could help a lot. I'm not fully veggie but cencere about reducing livestock farn´ming
	10:46am Cecile: this person wasn't mentally ill. He was nasty.
	10:46am fred von helsing: Situationism !
	10:47am Andrew Waterloo: I think soy hurts more than it helps.
	10:48am pierre: I believe without WFMU, may 68 wouldn't have happen
	10:48am Cecile: It's not hard to cook vegetables well. I like veggies as much as protein, and I tend to make dishes that use meat as flavoring.
	10:48am V Priceless: @ Cecile - good news indeed about that moron's banishment! Kinda makes you wonder how these folks ever stumbled into this world in the first place!
	10:48am Cecile: A lot of soy products are far more processed than many processed foods.
	10:49am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Soy only hurts because it's so over the top like meat production. Moderation is key.
	10:49am fred von helsing: May 1968: I take my desires for reality because I believe in the reality of my desires.
	10:50am dannyB: just registered... wanted to give a hello to you all
	10:50am bibi: nice discussion about veganism and so. only half calves (male obviously) end up in meat industry. somehow, pure veganism is not achievable. it is a global question and taking it hardcore is not always the best way to make things change. being reasonable and 'disturbing' the meat industry is already a good start.
	10:50am fred von helsing: @duke I understand that DJ's can ban IP's
	10:50am Vivian: @Cecile - which show involved the mean comments? @ Andrew- you're right about soy. Like most things, it is good in moderation. I lean more towards veggies, lentils and rice myself...
	10:51am fred von helsing: Boredom is counterrevolutionary.
	10:51am common: @cecile: yea, just nasty. no point.
	10:51am Andrew Waterloo: I think soy hurts because it perpetuates the idea that meals are meat centric and you're replacing meat in meals.
	10:52am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: ALL HAIL SEITAN.
	10:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @Andrew: hmm, interesting point but...I make the best tofu on earth.
	10:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...food for thot about food. I don't eat the beasties - but I still eat eggs & dairy - & am rather fond of leather - albeit most of that coming thru the thriftstore I work @ which funds Community Services (as far as what my $s go to)... I guess you could make an argument that the fairly unique solidarity of Revolutionaries & Workers in Paris68 (the U.S. didn't come close to that) prefigured CrowdSourcing in a way; FMU isn't broadly challenging the Government (of course) - but as StnMgr. Ken notes - it does have the distinction of enduring !! (It Works!)
	10:54am fred von helsing: It is always the same: once you are liberated, you are forced to ask who you are.
	10:54am duke: One thing about the comment board is that the closer it gets to lunch time on the US east coast, the more the discussion steers towards food.
	10:54am Guido (Cologne): Reducing meat helps. Radical veganism tends to produce bad promotion. My humble opinion.
	10:54am doca: @Andrew: You're right, it's like "I would like to eat meat but I can't, so I'll cook soy". But I think soy farming is equally hazardous to the planet as livestock, especially when it comes down to business and heavily-processed soy foods. And I speak from the world's largest soy producer and toxics using country, Brazil.
	10:54am Ike: Oh right Cecile, now I see what you're talking about. I missed that one. Yeah, that's pretty rare here. I'm talking about a few other folks who have no social skills and spew out endless comments about the minutiae of their lives, mostly without inappropriate stuff. But at least one of them sometimes figures out how to have a reasonable discussion, so he may be salvageable.
	10:54am Cecile: Vivian, it was Joe McGasko's show, and they were directed at me because I was inquiring about FMU getting plus-size womens's tees.
	10:55am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @Guido: agree totally.
	10:56am P-90: @ RevoRabb: how about this: if cheese is OK, because it is produced by the animal as a natural process but is not the animal itself ( ie, "has no face"), than rennet is similarly a natural product of the animal, but not an animal per se. "rennet" is just the culture "starter" for the fermentation that produces the cheese. (This is all quite apart from the "unpleasant" details about rennet that you might read.) Helpful?
	10:56am steve: hey all. coincidentally, im making my way through a giant pile of veggie breakfast sausage and bacon and i type this
	10:57am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @steve: mmmmmmmm.
	10:58am Benjamen Walker: Call your friends! Call your workmates, call your neighbors - let's make this goal! It will be better than the world hockey cup!
	10:59am Caryn: The production of soy for both food and green fuel is destroying rain forests and replacing traditional food production in developing countries. I avoid soy. A hereditary blood disease prevents total vegetarianism in our family (Well, 2 people have tried. One ended up in the ICU, one manages to get by just with chronic health problems.), but I tend to favour vegetarian meals. I think the key is moderation: some meat/fish/poultry a couple of times a week, otherwise vegetarian. The talk of exteme vegans about how everyone should be vegan and then we should exterminate all cattle, chickens, sheep and pigs seems ridiculous to me, not to mention the height of killing animals uselessly (and without using any part of it).
	11:00am pierre: J'AIME J'AIME J'AIME TES GENOUX
	11:00am Vivian: Everything we do is going to make an impact on the environment, all we can do is try to limit our impact as much as possible. As far as clothing, I go used as much as possible. @cecile- thanks, I didn't know about the jerk.
	11:01am Vivian: Sorry, my clothing statement stems from the Rev's comment about leather.
	11:01am Stevel: You may have an open mike in the studio.
	11:01am bibi: the rennet is of infinitesimal proportion in cheese. some is animal, some is vegetal. some is synthetic. when animal, its a 'side' product of the meat industry. not a big deal on the political side to me.
	11:01am Guido (Cologne): I just can talk about Europe: Near dumping levele prices for food and usury levele fees for real estate is a ecological and economical problem as a whole.
	11:01am fred von helsing: yup it's down but open
	11:01am Andrew Waterloo: hehe.. I like your knees :) I needed a good laugh
	11:02am doca: @Caryn: yes, that's my feeling about soy, although I usually prefer soy milk than usual milk nowadays.
	11:03am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: I'm pretty sure cattle farming is destroying the rainforest at a greater or even rate as soy production but I don't know if that's still the case so I'll defer--seems like soy is the big boogieman right now and maybe rightfully so. Anyways, moderation.
	11:03am bibi: pierre, do you think loving knees is veggie friendly ?
	11:03am Peter in Seattle: Morning Trouble, morning FMUnistas, I love all y'all's knees!
	11:04am doca: Let me ask you: what do you think about lab meat? I'm ambivalent towards it: it probably doesn't makes the same impact on the world as the usual natural meat, but at the same it's so artificial that...I don't even know how to say it.
	11:04am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Where the hell is Pi?
	11:04am P-90: @Caryn: yes there is some interesting "debunking" going on about soy as a food, and as a crop
	11:04am fred von helsing: j'aime tes genoux, moi non plus
	11:05am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @P-90: If they're killing a baby calf just to get rennet from his tummy to make cheese - that's more than a by-product - that's killing - as far as the Humanitarian angle. Guido makes a good point about the Environmentalism; I have skated by for a while now saying if I don't eat animals I'm ahead of the curve (esp. as an American) - & this also means I'm still getting Cholesterol from Egg & Dairy - to add the Health angle. - For the 'Health Food Store Types' - for lack of a probably better term - Less Processing is what's it's all about indeed; Soy is healthy - but Processed Soy - not so much. - Thx for intelligent & well-considered input all !
	11:05am pierre: I think loving anything is friendliness friendly. who big talks on veggie / food / diets here !
	11:05am Konin: beaucoup de fafafaaaa sur le radio...
	11:05am Andrew Waterloo: Je voudrais beaucoup de l'argent!
	11:06am bibi: trouble, watch out, your co-host is a serious challenger to your french show-off.
	11:06am P-90: @ bibi: I'm highly influenced by Rhoemer on this topic
	11:07am Andrew Waterloo: I think a lot of people avoid vegetarian because they think it's just a lot of soy and salad.
	11:07am fred von helsing: Fifty five large ? You should have called Tony.
	11:07am Cecile: YES. Get RuPaul.
	11:07am Sem Chumbo: Good day, all. Listening in, and fascinated, as usual, by the quality of the writing on the comments board.
	11:10am fred von helsing: I've read that the gov't was off-balance and on the defensive and that if the strikes had spread to other large cities, they might have toppled De Gaulle.
	11:10am P-90: @Rev: but the calf is not slaughtered "for" the rennet, its a by-product - just exploring th topic, no taking a stand here, these are intesting questions
	11:10am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: perfect example of typical fmu comments discussion--thoughtful points, no dicks...reason alone to give FMU all your money.
	11:12am fred von helsing: WFMU has a very small paid staff. It's made of VOLUNTEERS.
	11:12am sugarwolf: Never read the comments section! Except WFMU's
	11:13am Guido (Cologne): WANDA!
	11:13am Benjamen Walker: Turning a yes into a mess! pledge now
	11:13am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: yeah De Gaulle didn't know how to deal with it at first and fled the city.
	11:14am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Andrew: I'm always so perplexed - people ask: 'You don't eat animals - what do you eat?!' - Uh - everything else. 'How do you know you're getting enuff protein?!" - uh - eat till you're not hungry. Seems just fine...maybe some kid or fanatic might not get a balanced diet - & I do eat a good amount of egg & dairy (which are in so many things anyhow!)... @P-90: I see your point - the calf just 'happens' to have been slaughtered - aw well - & bibi's point too that a little rennet likely makes much cheese...lots to ponder...
	11:15am fred von helsing: Key text: Raoul Vaneigem, The Revolution of Everyday Life
	11:15am bobdoesthings: wow that wanda jackson song was great. just watched the big star doc last week! coool
	11:16am Cecile: RevRab, I don't even know how people can ask those questions after 40 years of vegetarianism being in the media. Even FoodTV does whole shows on meatless meals.
	11:18am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @fred: I'm about halfway through that one. Paused it because I picked up the Idiot by Dost.
	11:19am dan: guy skornik! my fave
	11:19am Benjamen Walker: lets talk about the real meat! WFMU - full on sustenance!
	11:20am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Also the Society of the SPectacle, though I think Rev of Everyday Life is more readable.
	11:21am bibi: the real first situationist text has been written by a boy, like 18yo. Debord picked him up on the way.
	11:21am Benjamen Walker: this is the Society of the SPectactular!
	11:21am fred von helsing: @ ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ he describes exactly how the values promoted by "society" are upside-down, in furthering the perspective of authority rather than us schlubs. Yep Debord is always good. It's the class war game !
	11:22am Caryn: Animal product issues are interesting. I avoid leather and fur, but clothes being vintage makes e.g. leather more appropriate. Also, if a certain number of animals are being slaughtered for food anyway, I'd prefer that the rennet and leather from those animals also be used, just because it feels like more of the animal is being used and not wasted. Killing purely for the rennet or leather would be unacceptable. But slaughtering animals in the huge amounts we do now is also an issue.
	11:22am bibi: what makes situationism so attractive is the barrier-blasting thinking. it is politics, philosophy, art, life, all at once and instantly recognizable.
	11:22am Cecile: I was talking at the bus stop last week when it was miserably cold with two equally cold strangers. One guy had just moved up from the Carolinas, and me and another young lady were giving him advice. I said "I don't want to offend anyone , but down, silk longjohns, rabbit fur hats, and fleece lined boots are your friends. Thinsulate only goes so far." The young lady goes, "Look, I have rabbit fur earmuffs at home. I"m a hippie and a vegetarian, but it's freezing here and you can die in the cold. It's one thing to be perfectly vegetarian in California, and another thing here where the weather can kill you."
	11:24am fred von helsing: @bibi Yes :)
	11:27am SeanG: my job at a library would almost be unbearable without FMU
	11:29am Andrew Waterloo: The only thing I really expect to be leather is footwear. I do pretty good with layers of cotton and vinyl to keep warm.
	11:29am fred von helsing: whoops gotta run. more situationism l8r!
	11:30am joe: @cecile As rabbits totally freak me out I'm ok with this :)
	11:30am duke: @SeanG FMU keeps me sane during my job. Plus I have learned about so much great music, especially from Trouble.
	11:31am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Oh lord, how the hell would I have gotten along over the last 12 or so years in the IT world without FMU?
	11:32am Cheri Pi: SeanG I work at a library too :) plugged in everyday most of the day.
	11:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Cecile: Of course - some of those you mention are by-products - & some from skinning animals...Myself - even in North New England Winter (& the only other place I know really is SoCali., significatnly) - I tend to just layer on black leather ! (Ha ha.) As I said - my leather tends to come from the thriftstore I work @: I'm not paying that industry - but you could argue I 'promote' it (more likely the opposite! - haha).
	11:33am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: I use to work in libraries...that's how I ended up doing computer shit. Carnegie Library in PGH was the big gig.
	11:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: PI!
	11:34am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: What amount do you need to pledge to turn your avatar into a gif?
	11:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& we're sorry Joe. : ) ...
	11:34am doca: I wonder how could I have not listened to WFMU before I did listen to it. It was always right in front of me but still I didn't see it.
	11:34am Cecile: Pi!
	11:34am Caryn: @Jennique: 500 bucks
	11:35am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: HOOOoooo boy. Thanks Caryn.
	11:36am Cecile: eh, maybe next year.
	11:37am listener james from westwood: Listening to FMU at office jobs of mine has surely kept me clear of committing mayhem amid stultifying coworker chatter and their NYC radio choices.
	11:37am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...noted: not begrudging the gifs !!
	11:37am Caryn: My gif avatar is here thanks to last year's Marathon. I'll have to see if I can keep it going another year.
	11:39am SeanG: Totally Duke and Cheri!
	11:39am duke: car in your apartment? Is that the same as living in the garage?
	11:39am nah: thanks for a great show!
	11:40am Tome: ..lives in an actual garage,, hey it's brooklyn can't be too fussy now.. allo Trouble allo BW !
	11:41am Cheri Pi: PAT! CECILE!
	11:41am Caryn: Sad I missed the start, but what I caught was fabulous! Hopefully the final 20 minutes will bring in the final 27 %.
	11:41am Cheri Pi: I won 3 items this morning on martay's show :) I'm tryin' to give others a chance here.
	11:44am Chingadera Con Queso: WFMU keeps me sane at work! I love Wednesdays!
	11:44am ottovonbqe: Hmm. I was just about to get in my car, go down the elevator, and drive a sack of money to wfmu.
	11:45am Benjamen Walker: you think I jest??? www.nytimes.com...
	11:45am Kevlicki: Cate lebon! Trouble, you're getting my money.now. I wanna get in the running or that. I missed the tix for her mercury lounge show and tried to get them from @efd show. Sadly missed that chance too.
	11:45am Skirkie: I engineering the foundation for that building BW
	11:46am SeanG: loving the Cate
	11:46am Kevlicki: Also thanks wfmu for introducing me to awesome music like cate le Bon
	11:46am Benjamen Walker: This is the guy who spent 17 million on the former Salvation army shelter on 4th and Bowery! To the barricades! Do your part to help Trouble make her goal
	11:46am MikeY: Id give 50 bucks if dave emory is taken off the air
	11:46am Benjamen Walker: Skirkie!!!!!!
	11:46am Andrew Waterloo: those prizes seem to be running from me
	11:46am Skirkie: I'm constantly helping to build homes that I can never ever afford.
	11:47am Parq: Benjamin, no surprise. In an economy based entirely on selling people things they don't need, it's inevitable that resources would be put into coming up with things for people who literally have more money than they know what to do with.
	11:47am Benjamen Walker: COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!
	11:48am MikeY: oR SELF IMMOLATES HIMSELF THAT SHOULD GET THE PLEDGES COMING
	11:48am Skirkie: I worked on the 4th and Bowery thing too...
	11:48am pierre: @ ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ : I had to hear Cheri Pi scream "Pat" to understand, this font your using is quite something
	11:49am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& there it is Skirkie...
	11:49am Cheri Pi: isatchoo MES?
	11:50am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: (11:46 I mean)
	11:50am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @pierre: it's Cherokee. I'm not using it anywhere near correctly but it looks nice.
	11:50am Benjamen Walker: oh god... so that really is gonna happen? Skirkie????
	11:50am Cheri Pi: [here's a better translation]Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@!!!
	11:50am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: yes it is Pi. He pops up everywhere.
	11:52am Kevlicki: Skirkie did you work on any of the new cooper buildings?
	11:52am Skirkie: Oh, the 4th and Bowery I'm talking about is already up. 2cooper.com
	11:52am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Π! (that's suppose to pi..)
	11:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: man it's snowing like a bastard out there...
	11:54am pierre: Cheri 3,14… !!!!
	11:54am bobdoesthings: ah what was the song that got cut off?
	11:55am Skirkie: 4th and cooper, 6th and cooper. I get around.
	11:55am Benjamen Walker: hahaha that is the ugliest thing in the universe,,,
	11:55am LovecraftDude888: FMU could become one giant Amway salesperson and make a bundle! ok maybe not....
	11:56am MikeY: hOW about Andy Breckman pour hot wax on his genitals..
	11:56am Cheri Pi: I answer to both versions of my name.
	11:57am LovecraftDude888: those monsters need to ante up a bit too! hehe
	11:57am Kevlicki: May 68 inspired print by my pal josh http://www.justseeds.org/josh_macphee/04fuckworkora.html
	11:59am Cecile: Lewis! Minneapolis represent!
	11:59am Skirkie: Oh snap!
	11:59am duke: Thanks Trouble and Benjamen, Happy Marathoning
	4:47pm trouble: your cookie recipe as promised: PEANUT BUTTER OATMEAL COOKIES Pre heat oven to 350 degrees In large bowl combine: ¼ cup butter ¾ cup sugar ¾ cup brown sugar add and mix in well: 2 eggs 1 tsp vanilla extract 1 ¼ tsp baking soda add in: 1 cup peanut butter stir well, then add 3 cups rolled oats ½ cup dark chocolate chips ½ cup chopped nuts or sunflower seeds Blend well. Place tsp full on parchment lined cookie sheet. Bake till brown around the edges 13-15 minutes. Enjoy cookie crak!
	11:40am robyn: how did i miss a show with so much future bible heroes in it! i didn't think i was genetically programmed for that to be possible!!
	8:25pm faharrington: no matter how terrible the sound quality of that volta jazz track is, it's sooo awesome it astounds me, astounds me that anyone wastes any amount of time with the stuff that passes for music on commercial radio. (originally used a real name, but I don't want to be mean)

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 25, 2014

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A viking ship appears on the horizon, a likeness of Alice Coltrane carved into its bow. Rare birds flock together to sing Francoise Hardy as soul hits. A sunset of blips and bleeps fills the air.

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February 25, 2014: be realistic: demand the impossible!

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Artist	Track	Album	Comments	Approx. start time
juantrip'	switch out the sun "switch out the sun" by "juantrip'"	musique pour les plantes vertes v/a		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
rocket juice to the moon	lolo "lolo" by "rocket juice to the moon"	rocket juice to the moon		0:04:51 (Pop-up)
Serge Gainsbourg	black trombone "black trombone" by "Serge Gainsbourg"	Intoxicated Man 1958-1962		0:09:28 (Pop-up)
visit venus	zoom "zoom" by "visit venus"	music for space tourism v. 1		0:11:37 (Pop-up)
marcos valle	mentira "mentira" by "marcos valle"	previsao do tempo	pledge at wfmu.org to get in the running for this cd!	0:21:11 (Pop-up)

josephine foster	sugarpie i'm not the same	i'm a dreamer	pledge now for this cd!	0:31:44 (Pop-up)
jacques dutronc	l'opportuniste "l'opportuniste" by "jacques dutronc"			0:35:41 (Pop-up)
sun ra	enlightenment "enlightenment" by "sun ra"	stop the world and let me off	pledge 75$ get this automatically	0:38:25 (Pop-up)

volta jazz	mama soukos "mama soukos" by "volta jazz"	stop the world and let me off	pledge 75$ and get this cd premium automatically	0:49:18 (Pop-up)
ZouZou	tu fais partie du passe "tu fais partie du passe" by "ZouZou"			0:53:56 (Pop-up)
le tone	bitter crop "bitter crop" by "le tone"			0:57:43 (Pop-up)

future bible heroes	but you're so beautiful	Memories of Love, Eternal Youth, and Partygoing	donate now, get in the running!	1:11:09 (Pop-up)
colourbox	say you "say you" by "colourbox"			1:15:24 (Pop-up)
future bible heroes	bathysphere/i'm a vampire	Memories of Love, Eternal Youth, and Partygoing	pledge and get inthe running for this 4 cd box!!!	1:19:17 (Pop-up)
the left banke	sing little bird sing			1:23:35 (Pop-up)

sonnymoon	zone 2 "zone 2" by "sonnymoon"	stop the world and let me off	call now pleeeeedge 75 and it's yours	1:33:56 (Pop-up)
future bible heroes	lonely days "lonely days" by "future bible heroes"	Memories of Love, Eternal Youth, and Partygoing	giveaway: get in on it, pledge!!	1:36:38 (Pop-up)
baroque jazz trio	chandigardh "chandigardh" by "baroque jazz trio"			1:40:44 (Pop-up)

wildcookie	touchy touchy "touchy touchy" by "wildcookie"	stop the world and let me off	75 $ pledge gets you this cd!!	1:54:35 (Pop-up)
adanowsky	j'aime tes genoux "j'aime tes genoux" by "adanowsky"			1:58:48 (Pop-up)

wanda jackson	funnel of love "funnel of love" by "wanda jackson"	the best of the clasic capital singles	pledge and get in the running!!	2:12:31 (Pop-up)
big star	in the street "in the street" by "big star"	Nothing Can Hurt Me: Original Soundtrack	up for grabs!! donate now!!	2:14:23 (Pop-up)
guy skornik	des arbres de fer "des arbres de fer" by "guy skornik"			2:16:49 (Pop-up)
les missiles	sacre dollar "sacre dollar" by "les missiles"			2:19:09 (Pop-up)
wink d	get busy "get busy" by "wink d"	stop the world and let me off	75$ pledge gets you this premium automatically	2:22:44 (Pop-up)
wanda jackson	riot in cell block number nine	capital singles	get in the running! pledge!!	2:31:57 (Pop-up)
x ray pop	le mouchoir violet "le mouchoir violet" by "x ray pop"			2:41:29 (Pop-up)
cate le bon	sisters "sisters" by "cate le bon"	mug museum	pledge now get in the running for this cd!!	2:45:12 (Pop-up)
von sudenfed	dear dead friends "dear dead friends" by "von sudenfed"	stop the world and let me off	donate 75$ and get this premium automatically!!	2:47:52 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:03am doca: Hi Trouble and co-Trouble-host (whose name I forgot or do not know)
	9:05am van: good morning Trouble, and whoever else is in the house
	9:05am jeg: juan trip**** !!!!
	9:06am common: hey trouble, doca, van!
	9:06am Matheus: beautiful transition from juantrip to rocket juice!
	9:06am Benjamen Walker: WARBLE!!!
	9:07am Guido (Cologne): Good morning Trouble! Hello and guten TZAG everyone!
	9:08am Trouble: good fundraising day all peeps! power to the peeps! thanks matheus, i'm all about the beautiful transitions!
	9:11am Konin: Allons y, les enfants, vos gages! Mettre en gage!
	9:11am Andrew Waterloo: Bonjour mes amis!
	9:12am Konin: Gainsborough!
	9:12am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Wie gehts?!? Oh, merci...
	9:12am Benjamen Walker: My question to the world: could you survive Tuesday without Trouble? I know I could not! So let's show our love and open up the wallets!
	9:12am Alfred Ron Richards: Surge! Gains borough!
	9:13am Alfred Ron Richards: Stiv, vein us.
	9:14am Benjamen Walker: plus... she made cookies this morning!
	9:15am SeanG: money money money
	9:18am still b/p: This is like "come on back to my place on Venus and we'll turn the lights down lowwwww."
	9:18am kepasweet: this jamm=so fresh, so clean
	9:19am Benjamen Walker: yes yes - come over and we will waft on the vaporous fumes
	9:20am Andrew Waterloo: it also feels like the settings menu of a video game.
	9:21am Benjamen Walker: Pledge now and you can win MARCOS VALLE * PRIVISAO DO TEMPO
	9:21am still b/p: The art today -- Paris poster 1968? There are great graphics from the protest period.
	9:21am Alfred Ron Richards: ...or on a CD/DVD cleaning disc...
	9:23am Adrian in London: Hello all. I'm a Pledge for Lifer so am smugly listening without any strain on my conscience. ;-)
	9:25am listener james from westwood: Howdy from WFMU's phone room! The love is in full effect.
	9:28am Tiago: yes, I'm listening doing well on the portuguese methinks
	9:30am Uncle Michael: Storm the Bastille!
	9:31am Rob W: Be young and pledge!
	9:32am Benjamen Walker: Cause Trouble!
	9:33am Andrew Waterloo: Be caffeinated and pledge vigorously and then relax with the bird sounds.
	9:39am Cheri Pi: this is my favorite version of this song.
	9:41am Andrew Waterloo: @Cheri I like the Hybrid Kids version as well
	9:41am common: i'm comin, sun ra.
	9:43am P-90: Ladies and Gentlemen, lets hear it for Benjy and the Benjamins!
	9:43am tomasz.: "Boredom is counterrevolutionary" is good May '68 graffiti for FMU
	9:44am Andrew Waterloo: Troubles Mystery Science Radio 3000?
	9:44am P-90: "Trans Saturn Express" w/ DJ Trouble
	9:46am Cecile: Yes, please post it on the page.
	9:47am Ralphine: Sadly, I'm old enough to remember seeing Sun Ra on Saturday Night Live.
	9:47am Cecile: Ralphine, me too. It freaked me the hell out.
	9:48am P-90: .....oh I thought she said "I miss the asses when they're not there", I get it now
	9:48am common: fishing with jon is so good! john...jon.
	9:48am Andrew Waterloo: Fishing with John is the first DVD I ever bought.
	9:49am common: love the willem defoe episode.
	9:49am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: The one with Waits is pretty good. "Feeling a little queasy.."
	9:50am r i s k y: Fishing with John! Oh boy (Wont be the first VHS ive gotten off Trouble!)
	9:50am P-90: I'm trying to remember, one or two very major diudes wound up telling J. Lurie to fuck off
	9:51am Cecile: I want John Lurie to go fishing with Jeremy (River Monsters) Wade. Wade is a gentleman, loves nature and is ballsy as hell. (Went to Chernobyl and wore a Geiger counter to check out legends of giant sturgeons).
	9:51am Scott McDowell: Wow, I want Trouble's premium already!!
	9:52am TDK60: Good Trouble that you're recalling France '68. A good text is the pamphlet 'Worker-Student Action Committees, France, May '68' by R Gregoire & Fredy Perlman, available at AK Press. I'm just about to pledge by phone!
	9:52am P-90: "DUDES" damn this app
	9:53am Cecile: Scott, yeah, I'd just take those puppies right to the DVD transfer place.
	9:53am herb.nyc: i just tuned in. have there been any bird sounds? my kitty is intrigued by them. tho she's at home now & i'm at work, but the stereo is on for her. (she just loves JM IN THE AM.)
	9:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: This Volta Jazz tune is killer.
	9:54am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: the birds have been replaced by BW.
	9:54am Emily in VT: Yay! Fishing with John. Love it!
	9:54am Benjamen Walker: chiiirrrrp
	9:55am Cecile: But, seriously, River Monsters is a cool show.
	9:56am Benjamen Walker: let's get these phones ringing.. they are the modern birds...
	9:56am Andrew Waterloo: I always loved the line: "Both fishermen are covered with sores and boners"
	9:57am Faye: <3
	9:58am Cecile: faye!
	9:59am herb.nyc: i just love FM IN THE AM, i.e., FRENCH MUSIC in the morning. excuse me, i have to pledge now...
	10:01am Faye: oyé Cecile!
	10:03am Cecile: que tal?
	10:05am Cecile: Yes. Strikes did immobilze people in the 1800s
	10:05am Uncle Michael: The students and workers turned May in France into August in France?
	10:05am Cecile: And shortages and strikes do hamper people. But since there is no labor beat left in the mainstream media, you never hear about it.
	10:06am Cecile: de nada
	10:08am herb.nyc: wow, people are talking about STRIKES? such was brought up at our union meeting at city college of new york, last wk. my co-worker wants multi-union solidarity. i like it, but don't see it happening. oh OCCUPY, ou etes-vous?
	10:10am bobdoesthings: what kinda cookies are we talkin here?
	10:10am Lewis: Fishing with John is Great!
	10:11am Lewis: VHS perhaps not so much….
	10:11am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: I saw "Fishing with John" at the Knitting Factory back in the 90s and I give that film 4 stars. Thumbs up!
	10:11am jk: Warble! What is it good for
	10:12am Benjamen Walker: I saw it at the Harvard Film ARchive.. same time.. he brought his parents to the screening!
	10:12am Marcel M: Morning Bob, I think she said peanut butter oatmeal chocolate chip or something magical like that.
	10:12am Trouble: peanut butter oatmeal chocolate cookies are the crak fueling the wfmu fire this morning!
	10:13am Marcel M: Good to hear your voice again Benjamen!
	10:16am bobdoesthings: yooo marcel, those sound delicious
	10:16am AndrewC.: If I pledge to a bunch of different shows, does it work out a total? So I can ask for the swag for the total amount, not for the individual little amounts?
	10:17am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: AndrewC: yes.
	10:17am Andrew Waterloo: @AndrewC, yes, that's what I did last year.
	10:18am dale: andrew - you can just click the bill me later option and get a tally at the end and pick your swag then
	10:19am AndrewC.: Thanks - will give it a try...
	10:19am Cecile: no, andrew. You have to pledge the amount they ask. I pledged in advance as a prize account, and unless there is a special prize for "Mouse of Today" people who pledge in advance, I have to pony up the money the premium requires.
	10:19am duke: @AndrewC you can also give an amount all at once and apportion the credit to several different shows.
	10:19am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - oh! - are those no-bake cookies - ?! We have a local compnay called 'Three Little Birds' makes great ones like that. - Thx for asking AndrewC! I do $10/month anyway - but I want $50 during the Marathon (that's all I can swing) to get me a T-Shirt.
	10:19am Cecile: Oh, yeah, you can do that for total swag. But for on-air swag, you have to pledge the amount.
	10:20am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: you can basically do it any way you want--FMU is accommodating.
	10:20am Trouble: these cookies were baked, they are gluten free and killllller
	10:23am Caryn: Hello all! Back home from work and ready to focus on the Marathon.
	10:24am Andrew Waterloo: Trouble Baked Killlller Cookies
	10:24am Vivian: I pledged at the $180 level. One of the benefits is naming rights on one of the items shown in the WFMU adoption gallery however, how do I make my claim?
	10:26am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...okay: I don't eat animals but I still eat dairy; I just learned that most cheese uses rennet from slaughtered young calf stomachs: Data? Thots ?
	10:27am Stu: Finland in the house!
	10:29am Lewis: The knowledge is truly the deepest resource! The DJs are very good musical historians etc. To say nothing of the knowledge you can tap through these boards!
	10:32am Cecile: I'm an omnivore carnivore. For you, you have to research your cheese Seek out cruelty free dairy farms or cheeses that don't use rennet.
	10:32am dale: rev rab - there are vegan sources of rennet. you'd have to investigate the cheese maker.
	10:32am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Station Manager Ken needs you, you don't need Station Manager Ken
	10:32am listener james from westwood: RevRabbit: I believe that is correct, but if cheese expert Wendy is somewhere out there, she'd be our authority.
	10:32am Cecile: Stu! Team Suomi brought it last week!
	10:32am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - so true Lewis - it's Music, Kultcha - & Community ...& frankly - the FMU Comments Boards had me Larfing my Arse Off from Day One !!...
	10:33am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: RRN63: you can get vegetable rennet cheese. Not gourmet or anything but serviceable.
	10:33am pierre: Hello Trouble, Ben W and friends !!!
	10:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: it is true. You can also get microbial rennet cheese I believe. I just avoid the whole damn thing now...
	10:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - Thx - & good point ljames; she's in Vt-NH like I am too !...
	10:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Yes, Wendy can fill you in with anything you need to know cheese-wise.
	10:35am Stu: Cecile, yeah...I took a beating at work yesterday ( being the American there!) ha ha ! Biggest thing since ...well anyway Cheers to Trouble!!!!!
	10:35am duke: I sometimes make the mistake of reading comments on news and other sites. One of the great things about the FMU comment board is that there is almost never any kind of abusive or obnoxious behavior you see on lots of sites. I don't know if the DJs can filter comments, but I attribute it to the fact that FMU listeners are just the best people.
	10:35am Guido (Cologne): @RRN63 Most rennet today is artificial. but the cows need calves for producing milk. most of the calves get saughtered. depends of what your goals are. if you're straight about no animal-killing at all, so no milk products. If you're just about reducing mass-meat-production some cheese might be still ok.
	10:35am ?: @Vivian, go to the Adoption Gallery, pick an item, send an email request from the link on the item's page.
	10:36am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: duke: we were talking about the same thing yesterday. Higher order of people on FMU comments.
	10:37am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Vegetable rennet cheese. Pretty freely available.
	10:37am listener james from westwood: I can count the # of trolls I've seen on the FMU boards on less than 1 hand. Great commenters and great moderation.
	10:37am common: yea, duke. surprised last week when i saw some horrid shit from some commenter. it's shocking when it happens.
	10:39am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - grim but informative Guido.
	10:39am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: the funny thing is it's pretty much self-managed here. Sure people can be censored but I think the trolls move on pretty quickly when they catch the mood.
	10:39am Cecile: you and me both, common. I won't forget last Thursday anytime soon.
	10:40am duke: @common yes, it's so rare that it shocks you when it happens. I noticed that occasion last week and definitely thought WTF!? The DJ told the person to cool it.
	10:41am Cecile: I personally see no use for veal. I have tried it. It tastes like nothing. Let the little cows grow up and get old and tasty on grass and sunshine.
	10:41am Cecile: duke, I heard later they banned his stupid ass. Good.
	10:41am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Ah Guido: I see your point. calf slaughter is a side product of livestock farming whether you eat the meat or drink the milk. You're right. Another point to keep in mind (then I shut up) is it's becoming apparent that all livestock farming combined is putting more than 50% of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Not really proven but even half that is not good. Done.
	10:43am duke: @cecile Good!
	10:43am Benjamen Walker: Trouble just set a goal - and we are now 45% of the way there... lets take her over the top! ONWARDS!
	10:43am Cecile: Yeah, that was awesome to hear.
	10:44am Ike: Unfortunately we've had a few persistent mentally-ill commenters lately, but even they sometimes behave themselves. I feel kind of bad for them, some of them clearly need better medication (or to take their meds at all in the first place) or maybe they're just lonely, what w/repeatedly replying to themselves.
	10:45am Cecile: I am totally pacing myself. BUt there are more $15 premiums than ever, so that's cool.
	10:45am Vivian: Thanks ?.
	10:45am bibi: hi everyone ! just 14 kilometers so far in this marathon. i'll walk for a while.
	10:46am Guido (Cologne): i think it is a good idea to promote delicious vegetable cooking and to demonstrate how to produce best omami tastes from veggie food. There are some trick, you don't even need soy-replacement-products. A good culture of cooking could help a lot. I'm not fully veggie but cencere about reducing livestock farn´ming
	10:46am Cecile: this person wasn't mentally ill. He was nasty.
	10:46am fred von helsing: Situationism !
	10:47am Andrew Waterloo: I think soy hurts more than it helps.
	10:48am pierre: I believe without WFMU, may 68 wouldn't have happen
	10:48am Cecile: It's not hard to cook vegetables well. I like veggies as much as protein, and I tend to make dishes that use meat as flavoring.
	10:48am V Priceless: @ Cecile - good news indeed about that moron's banishment! Kinda makes you wonder how these folks ever stumbled into this world in the first place!
	10:48am Cecile: A lot of soy products are far more processed than many processed foods.
	10:49am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Soy only hurts because it's so over the top like meat production. Moderation is key.
	10:49am fred von helsing: May 1968: I take my desires for reality because I believe in the reality of my desires.
	10:50am dannyB: just registered... wanted to give a hello to you all
	10:50am bibi: nice discussion about veganism and so. only half calves (male obviously) end up in meat industry. somehow, pure veganism is not achievable. it is a global question and taking it hardcore is not always the best way to make things change. being reasonable and 'disturbing' the meat industry is already a good start.
	10:50am fred von helsing: @duke I understand that DJ's can ban IP's
	10:50am Vivian: @Cecile - which show involved the mean comments? @ Andrew- you're right about soy. Like most things, it is good in moderation. I lean more towards veggies, lentils and rice myself...
	10:51am fred von helsing: Boredom is counterrevolutionary.
	10:51am common: @cecile: yea, just nasty. no point.
	10:51am Andrew Waterloo: I think soy hurts because it perpetuates the idea that meals are meat centric and you're replacing meat in meals.
	10:52am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: ALL HAIL SEITAN.
	10:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @Andrew: hmm, interesting point but...I make the best tofu on earth.
	10:53am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...food for thot about food. I don't eat the beasties - but I still eat eggs & dairy - & am rather fond of leather - albeit most of that coming thru the thriftstore I work @ which funds Community Services (as far as what my $s go to)... I guess you could make an argument that the fairly unique solidarity of Revolutionaries & Workers in Paris68 (the U.S. didn't come close to that) prefigured CrowdSourcing in a way; FMU isn't broadly challenging the Government (of course) - but as StnMgr. Ken notes - it does have the distinction of enduring !! (It Works!)
	10:54am fred von helsing: It is always the same: once you are liberated, you are forced to ask who you are.
	10:54am duke: One thing about the comment board is that the closer it gets to lunch time on the US east coast, the more the discussion steers towards food.
	10:54am Guido (Cologne): Reducing meat helps. Radical veganism tends to produce bad promotion. My humble opinion.
	10:54am doca: @Andrew: You're right, it's like "I would like to eat meat but I can't, so I'll cook soy". But I think soy farming is equally hazardous to the planet as livestock, especially when it comes down to business and heavily-processed soy foods. And I speak from the world's largest soy producer and toxics using country, Brazil.
	10:54am Ike: Oh right Cecile, now I see what you're talking about. I missed that one. Yeah, that's pretty rare here. I'm talking about a few other folks who have no social skills and spew out endless comments about the minutiae of their lives, mostly without inappropriate stuff. But at least one of them sometimes figures out how to have a reasonable discussion, so he may be salvageable.
	10:54am Cecile: Vivian, it was Joe McGasko's show, and they were directed at me because I was inquiring about FMU getting plus-size womens's tees.
	10:55am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @Guido: agree totally.
	10:56am P-90: @ RevoRabb: how about this: if cheese is OK, because it is produced by the animal as a natural process but is not the animal itself ( ie, "has no face"), than rennet is similarly a natural product of the animal, but not an animal per se. "rennet" is just the culture "starter" for the fermentation that produces the cheese. (This is all quite apart from the "unpleasant" details about rennet that you might read.) Helpful?
	10:56am steve: hey all. coincidentally, im making my way through a giant pile of veggie breakfast sausage and bacon and i type this
	10:57am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @steve: mmmmmmmm.
	10:58am Benjamen Walker: Call your friends! Call your workmates, call your neighbors - let's make this goal! It will be better than the world hockey cup!
	10:59am Caryn: The production of soy for both food and green fuel is destroying rain forests and replacing traditional food production in developing countries. I avoid soy. A hereditary blood disease prevents total vegetarianism in our family (Well, 2 people have tried. One ended up in the ICU, one manages to get by just with chronic health problems.), but I tend to favour vegetarian meals. I think the key is moderation: some meat/fish/poultry a couple of times a week, otherwise vegetarian. The talk of exteme vegans about how everyone should be vegan and then we should exterminate all cattle, chickens, sheep and pigs seems ridiculous to me, not to mention the height of killing animals uselessly (and without using any part of it).
	11:00am pierre: J'AIME J'AIME J'AIME TES GENOUX
	11:00am Vivian: Everything we do is going to make an impact on the environment, all we can do is try to limit our impact as much as possible. As far as clothing, I go used as much as possible. @cecile- thanks, I didn't know about the jerk.
	11:01am Vivian: Sorry, my clothing statement stems from the Rev's comment about leather.
	11:01am Stevel: You may have an open mike in the studio.
	11:01am bibi: the rennet is of infinitesimal proportion in cheese. some is animal, some is vegetal. some is synthetic. when animal, its a 'side' product of the meat industry. not a big deal on the political side to me.
	11:01am Guido (Cologne): I just can talk about Europe: Near dumping levele prices for food and usury levele fees for real estate is a ecological and economical problem as a whole.
	11:01am fred von helsing: yup it's down but open
	11:01am Andrew Waterloo: hehe.. I like your knees :) I needed a good laugh
	11:02am doca: @Caryn: yes, that's my feeling about soy, although I usually prefer soy milk than usual milk nowadays.
	11:03am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: I'm pretty sure cattle farming is destroying the rainforest at a greater or even rate as soy production but I don't know if that's still the case so I'll defer--seems like soy is the big boogieman right now and maybe rightfully so. Anyways, moderation.
	11:03am bibi: pierre, do you think loving knees is veggie friendly ?
	11:03am Peter in Seattle: Morning Trouble, morning FMUnistas, I love all y'all's knees!
	11:04am doca: Let me ask you: what do you think about lab meat? I'm ambivalent towards it: it probably doesn't makes the same impact on the world as the usual natural meat, but at the same it's so artificial that...I don't even know how to say it.
	11:04am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Where the hell is Pi?
	11:04am P-90: @Caryn: yes there is some interesting "debunking" going on about soy as a food, and as a crop
	11:04am fred von helsing: j'aime tes genoux, moi non plus
	11:05am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @P-90: If they're killing a baby calf just to get rennet from his tummy to make cheese - that's more than a by-product - that's killing - as far as the Humanitarian angle. Guido makes a good point about the Environmentalism; I have skated by for a while now saying if I don't eat animals I'm ahead of the curve (esp. as an American) - & this also means I'm still getting Cholesterol from Egg & Dairy - to add the Health angle. - For the 'Health Food Store Types' - for lack of a probably better term - Less Processing is what's it's all about indeed; Soy is healthy - but Processed Soy - not so much. - Thx for intelligent & well-considered input all !
	11:05am pierre: I think loving anything is friendliness friendly. who big talks on veggie / food / diets here !
	11:05am Konin: beaucoup de fafafaaaa sur le radio...
	11:05am Andrew Waterloo: Je voudrais beaucoup de l'argent!
	11:06am bibi: trouble, watch out, your co-host is a serious challenger to your french show-off.
	11:06am P-90: @ bibi: I'm highly influenced by Rhoemer on this topic
	11:07am Andrew Waterloo: I think a lot of people avoid vegetarian because they think it's just a lot of soy and salad.
	11:07am fred von helsing: Fifty five large ? You should have called Tony.
	11:07am Cecile: YES. Get RuPaul.
	11:07am Sem Chumbo: Good day, all. Listening in, and fascinated, as usual, by the quality of the writing on the comments board.
	11:10am fred von helsing: I've read that the gov't was off-balance and on the defensive and that if the strikes had spread to other large cities, they might have toppled De Gaulle.
	11:10am P-90: @Rev: but the calf is not slaughtered "for" the rennet, its a by-product - just exploring th topic, no taking a stand here, these are intesting questions
	11:10am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: perfect example of typical fmu comments discussion--thoughtful points, no dicks...reason alone to give FMU all your money.
	11:12am fred von helsing: WFMU has a very small paid staff. It's made of VOLUNTEERS.
	11:12am sugarwolf: Never read the comments section! Except WFMU's
	11:13am Guido (Cologne): WANDA!
	11:13am Benjamen Walker: Turning a yes into a mess! pledge now
	11:13am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: yeah De Gaulle didn't know how to deal with it at first and fled the city.
	11:14am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Andrew: I'm always so perplexed - people ask: 'You don't eat animals - what do you eat?!' - Uh - everything else. 'How do you know you're getting enuff protein?!" - uh - eat till you're not hungry. Seems just fine...maybe some kid or fanatic might not get a balanced diet - & I do eat a good amount of egg & dairy (which are in so many things anyhow!)... @P-90: I see your point - the calf just 'happens' to have been slaughtered - aw well - & bibi's point too that a little rennet likely makes much cheese...lots to ponder...
	11:15am fred von helsing: Key text: Raoul Vaneigem, The Revolution of Everyday Life
	11:15am bobdoesthings: wow that wanda jackson song was great. just watched the big star doc last week! coool
	11:16am Cecile: RevRab, I don't even know how people can ask those questions after 40 years of vegetarianism being in the media. Even FoodTV does whole shows on meatless meals.
	11:18am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @fred: I'm about halfway through that one. Paused it because I picked up the Idiot by Dost.
	11:19am dan: guy skornik! my fave
	11:19am Benjamen Walker: lets talk about the real meat! WFMU - full on sustenance!
	11:20am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Also the Society of the SPectacle, though I think Rev of Everyday Life is more readable.
	11:21am bibi: the real first situationist text has been written by a boy, like 18yo. Debord picked him up on the way.
	11:21am Benjamen Walker: this is the Society of the SPectactular!
	11:21am fred von helsing: @ ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ he describes exactly how the values promoted by "society" are upside-down, in furthering the perspective of authority rather than us schlubs. Yep Debord is always good. It's the class war game !
	11:22am Caryn: Animal product issues are interesting. I avoid leather and fur, but clothes being vintage makes e.g. leather more appropriate. Also, if a certain number of animals are being slaughtered for food anyway, I'd prefer that the rennet and leather from those animals also be used, just because it feels like more of the animal is being used and not wasted. Killing purely for the rennet or leather would be unacceptable. But slaughtering animals in the huge amounts we do now is also an issue.
	11:22am bibi: what makes situationism so attractive is the barrier-blasting thinking. it is politics, philosophy, art, life, all at once and instantly recognizable.
	11:22am Cecile: I was talking at the bus stop last week when it was miserably cold with two equally cold strangers. One guy had just moved up from the Carolinas, and me and another young lady were giving him advice. I said "I don't want to offend anyone , but down, silk longjohns, rabbit fur hats, and fleece lined boots are your friends. Thinsulate only goes so far." The young lady goes, "Look, I have rabbit fur earmuffs at home. I"m a hippie and a vegetarian, but it's freezing here and you can die in the cold. It's one thing to be perfectly vegetarian in California, and another thing here where the weather can kill you."
	11:24am fred von helsing: @bibi Yes :)
	11:27am SeanG: my job at a library would almost be unbearable without FMU
	11:29am Andrew Waterloo: The only thing I really expect to be leather is footwear. I do pretty good with layers of cotton and vinyl to keep warm.
	11:29am fred von helsing: whoops gotta run. more situationism l8r!
	11:30am joe: @cecile As rabbits totally freak me out I'm ok with this :)
	11:30am duke: @SeanG FMU keeps me sane during my job. Plus I have learned about so much great music, especially from Trouble.
	11:31am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Oh lord, how the hell would I have gotten along over the last 12 or so years in the IT world without FMU?
	11:32am Cheri Pi: SeanG I work at a library too :) plugged in everyday most of the day.
	11:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Cecile: Of course - some of those you mention are by-products - & some from skinning animals...Myself - even in North New England Winter (& the only other place I know really is SoCali., significatnly) - I tend to just layer on black leather ! (Ha ha.) As I said - my leather tends to come from the thriftstore I work @: I'm not paying that industry - but you could argue I 'promote' it (more likely the opposite! - haha).
	11:33am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: I use to work in libraries...that's how I ended up doing computer shit. Carnegie Library in PGH was the big gig.
	11:34am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: PI!
	11:34am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: What amount do you need to pledge to turn your avatar into a gif?
	11:34am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& we're sorry Joe. : ) ...
	11:34am doca: I wonder how could I have not listened to WFMU before I did listen to it. It was always right in front of me but still I didn't see it.
	11:34am Cecile: Pi!
	11:34am Caryn: @Jennique: 500 bucks
	11:35am ᏠЄႶႶỊѺµЄ: HOOOoooo boy. Thanks Caryn.
	11:36am Cecile: eh, maybe next year.
	11:37am listener james from westwood: Listening to FMU at office jobs of mine has surely kept me clear of committing mayhem amid stultifying coworker chatter and their NYC radio choices.
	11:37am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...noted: not begrudging the gifs !!
	11:37am Caryn: My gif avatar is here thanks to last year's Marathon. I'll have to see if I can keep it going another year.
	11:39am SeanG: Totally Duke and Cheri!
	11:39am duke: car in your apartment? Is that the same as living in the garage?
	11:39am nah: thanks for a great show!
	11:40am Tome: ..lives in an actual garage,, hey it's brooklyn can't be too fussy now.. allo Trouble allo BW !
	11:41am Cheri Pi: PAT! CECILE!
	11:41am Caryn: Sad I missed the start, but what I caught was fabulous! Hopefully the final 20 minutes will bring in the final 27 %.
	11:41am Cheri Pi: I won 3 items this morning on martay's show :) I'm tryin' to give others a chance here.
	11:44am Chingadera Con Queso: WFMU keeps me sane at work! I love Wednesdays!
	11:44am ottovonbqe: Hmm. I was just about to get in my car, go down the elevator, and drive a sack of money to wfmu.
	11:45am Benjamen Walker: you think I jest??? www.nytimes.com...
	11:45am Kevlicki: Cate lebon! Trouble, you're getting my money.now. I wanna get in the running or that. I missed the tix for her mercury lounge show and tried to get them from @efd show. Sadly missed that chance too.
	11:45am Skirkie: I engineering the foundation for that building BW
	11:46am SeanG: loving the Cate
	11:46am Kevlicki: Also thanks wfmu for introducing me to awesome music like cate le Bon
	11:46am Benjamen Walker: This is the guy who spent 17 million on the former Salvation army shelter on 4th and Bowery! To the barricades! Do your part to help Trouble make her goal
	11:46am MikeY: Id give 50 bucks if dave emory is taken off the air
	11:46am Benjamen Walker: Skirkie!!!!!!
	11:46am Andrew Waterloo: those prizes seem to be running from me
	11:46am Skirkie: I'm constantly helping to build homes that I can never ever afford.
	11:47am Parq: Benjamin, no surprise. In an economy based entirely on selling people things they don't need, it's inevitable that resources would be put into coming up with things for people who literally have more money than they know what to do with.
	11:47am Benjamen Walker: COME ON PEOPLE!!!!!
	11:48am MikeY: oR SELF IMMOLATES HIMSELF THAT SHOULD GET THE PLEDGES COMING
	11:48am Skirkie: I worked on the 4th and Bowery thing too...
	11:48am pierre: @ ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ : I had to hear Cheri Pi scream "Pat" to understand, this font your using is quite something
	11:49am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...& there it is Skirkie...
	11:49am Cheri Pi: isatchoo MES?
	11:50am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: (11:46 I mean)
	11:50am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: @pierre: it's Cherokee. I'm not using it anywhere near correctly but it looks nice.
	11:50am Benjamen Walker: oh god... so that really is gonna happen? Skirkie????
	11:50am Cheri Pi: [here's a better translation]Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@!!!
	11:50am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: yes it is Pi. He pops up everywhere.
	11:52am Kevlicki: Skirkie did you work on any of the new cooper buildings?
	11:52am Skirkie: Oh, the 4th and Bowery I'm talking about is already up. 2cooper.com
	11:52am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: Π! (that's suppose to pi..)
	11:53am ᏧᏣ ᎮᎯᎱ: man it's snowing like a bastard out there...
	11:54am pierre: Cheri 3,14… !!!!
	11:54am bobdoesthings: ah what was the song that got cut off?
	11:55am Skirkie: 4th and cooper, 6th and cooper. I get around.
	11:55am Benjamen Walker: hahaha that is the ugliest thing in the universe,,,
	11:55am LovecraftDude888: FMU could become one giant Amway salesperson and make a bundle! ok maybe not....
	11:56am MikeY: hOW about Andy Breckman pour hot wax on his genitals..
	11:56am Cheri Pi: I answer to both versions of my name.
	11:57am LovecraftDude888: those monsters need to ante up a bit too! hehe
	11:57am Kevlicki: May 68 inspired print by my pal josh http://www.justseeds.org/josh_macphee/04fuckworkora.html
	11:59am Cecile: Lewis! Minneapolis represent!
	11:59am Skirkie: Oh snap!
	11:59am duke: Thanks Trouble and Benjamen, Happy Marathoning
	4:47pm trouble: your cookie recipe as promised: PEANUT BUTTER OATMEAL COOKIES Pre heat oven to 350 degrees In large bowl combine: ¼ cup butter ¾ cup sugar ¾ cup brown sugar add and mix in well: 2 eggs 1 tsp vanilla extract 1 ¼ tsp baking soda add in: 1 cup peanut butter stir well, then add 3 cups rolled oats ½ cup dark chocolate chips ½ cup chopped nuts or sunflower seeds Blend well. Place tsp full on parchment lined cookie sheet. Bake till brown around the edges 13-15 minutes. Enjoy cookie crak!
	11:40am robyn: how did i miss a show with so much future bible heroes in it! i didn't think i was genetically programmed for that to be possible!!
	8:25pm faharrington: no matter how terrible the sound quality of that volta jazz track is, it's sooo awesome it astounds me, astounds me that anyone wastes any amount of time with the stuff that passes for music on commercial radio. (originally used a real name, but I don't want to be mean)

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from February 25, 2014

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