WFMU: Diane's Kamikaze Fun Machine: Playlist from April 30, 2015

Listener comments!
	12:05pm V Priceless: Heya Diane! Yay Melvins!
	12:05pm Claw!: Doooooooooooooooooooom
	12:05pm chris: Yo, Diane, All! Rawk!
	12:06pm Jim Devoid: ....Waiting patiently to harass Alva & Mike BS...
	12:08pm Cecile: hola!
	12:08pm Cecile: I need music to crush the last of this awful April into the ground.
	12:11pm Claw!: Girl, I, too, am so ready for April to be over. I normally love this month because of birthday and Spring, but this year, it has really sucked.
	12:13pm Cecile: I know. It has been a whirlwind of a shitstorm.
	12:18pm MONEYBAG$: It's been over 20 years since I last heard this song all the way through
	12:21pm MenfussMike: Top 5 band.
	👻 12:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: May a divine wind be with you all today.
	12:23pm sphere: hello peoplez
	12:24pm Cecile: Diane's Kids!
	12:24pm Cecile: they must be my estranged step-grandkids by default, then.
	12:25pm coe: 'ello folks
	12:26pm chris: hi, Grandma, can i borrow $20?
	12:26pm Cecile: YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
	12:26pm Cecile: Ask your damn mother.
	12:27pm PKNY: PIKE! \m/
	12:28pm coe: I have to thank DK for encouraging me to give the last Mastodon a second listen. Was not thrilled with it at first but I have grown to love it.
	12:42pm common: the bolt!
	12:43pm Cecile: VOIVODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
	12:43pm chris: OMG, I though this was Ministry in the first few bars.. but, no, its 'VOD!
	12:44pm coe: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	12:44pm Polyus: E-Force!
	12:44pm coe: @chris I can defiantly hear the Ministry similarity.
	👻 12:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: Le Vod!
	12:46pm common: voivod...late.
	12:46pm sphere: voivod voivod voivod voivod!
	12:48pm Dave B: whoa.
	12:49pm jdelz: Yuppicide! My first time in NYC was to see them with Mind over Matter at Coney Island High. Amazing show.
	12:50pm common: i remember coney island high, jdelz. i fell down those steps with a bass rig. good times.
	12:51pm chris: Sick dude gif, Dave B!
	12:51pm Jim Devoid: Roar shack!
	12:52pm totallybiased: Ahhhh Rorshach. Gern Blandsteny!
	12:52pm Dave B: Thanks Chris.... It's been a while since I've been on these here boards.
	12:57pm coe: Was just going to joke that I was just here today to hear the obligatory Bugout Socitey song. :)
	12:57pm Cheri Pi: VOIVOD!!!!!!! Hey peeps!
	12:58pm coe: Hey Cheri!!
	1:01pm coe: It was weird. I learned about ABC from MMR. So I was a kid in NJ who learned about a club in NYC from a magazine published in CA.
	1:01pm Cheri Pi: COE!!
	1:01pm Rev. Turnip Druid: PEEPLE.
	1:02pm Cheri Pi: Peepaw!
	1:03pm jdelz: Amebix snare sound totally rules.
	1:03pm common: well hello
	1:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: PAH! th'VOD!
	1:06pm janimpala: good afternoon everyone!
	1:10pm Jim Devoid: YO! BS!
	1:13pm Cheri Pi: We had the nasty skinheads here too in Cincy in the 80's, and some of them linger around to this day.
	1:16pm mavrg: Any chance of hearing the Manacled today?
	1:17pm common: they do still linger everywhere, cheri. ugh.
	1:20pm Dave B: They linger longer
	1:21pm janimpala: Good afternoon Diane, Freddy and Mike. Please ask Mike to return my SFA show video tapes that I lent him LOL.
	1:22pm coe: Yeah there is sorry to say always still at least one of those knuckleheads at every show.
	1:23pm janimpala: No Mike is NOT making that up!
	1:26pm Dave B: BS Monthly Sept 85: crumbsuckers.voila.net...
	1:28pm Dave B: Can't find the cover at the moment, but I think it was 10 cents back then
	1:30pm Dave B: Correction... 50 cents
	1:35pm Gamp: I think it was Reverb Motherf**ers that canceled.
	1:36pm janimpala: SFA used to bowl against Bug Out Society to see who would end up being clean up band.
	1:39pm Gamp: MC Charlie says it was the Dwarves. I may not have remembered it correctly. I remember talking to one of the organizers on the phone and he kept mentioning RMF.
	1:41pm jeff: i recall hearing these brands on Clinton street...Silver Bullet, Showdown.... but hey Freddie, the LES was not out of the way for NYC punx.
	1:42pm Boswell: SFA never beat Bugout Society!
	1:43pm Listener Robert: Is Diane taking notes in pencil, or sketching?
	1:43pm Boswell: Gamp, Lou always talked about RMF.
	1:46pm Diane Kamikaze: Freddy just wrote me a note and his mic was on!
	1:46pm janimpala: Yo Boswell - the only time BOS beat SFA at bowling was when Mike was still singing, hence the other nickname Mike BOWLsh*t.
	1:46pm Jim Devoid: Matt Average - You are OK in my book - Jim!
	1:48pm mavrg: Jim - I'm not devoid of faith in you!
	1:48pm Boswell: I notice obephobes aren't banned!
	1:49pm Boswell: He bowled a 28.
	1:50pm Jim Devoid: Average answer..
	1:51pm Jim Devoid: Ted Leo era CA?
	1:52pm janimpala: Bos - yeah 28, 32 scores . I was more worried about the ball getting loose on his back swing, cuz he let it go crashing into the seats behind us at least once.
	1:55pm Boswell: I'm gonna get a cheese sandwich.
	1:55pm Jim Devoid: Always liked Go!, thought BS was way too shirtless most of the time.
	1:56pm mavrg: Dress to Oppress MacNaughton.
	1:57pm janimpala: Bos - what kind of cheese sandwich? It better be on cruelty free bread!
	1:59pm JakeGould: The bread was made with love and the cheese was raised gently.
	2:01pm Sanchez "Tito" Infidado: the revolution is back in play, rock on!
	2:08pm janimpala: Agreed on how important to the whole makeup of the scene Mike BS was in all this, not jsut in the ABCNoRio portion of it, but in the whole LES NYHC scene. Thanks Mike.
	2:12pm MD: LIVING GUITARS....!!!
	2:14pm Cecile: if noise is a problem, why can't cities create live music districts in their planning?
	2:16pm Tito "Pepe" Infidado: Rocking out with the Kamikaze then going to enjoy the weather and start a commotion! Viva la Rio!
	2:16pm Cecile: municipalities have contorted themselves trying to justify expensive sports arenas. Why not the arts?
	2:17pm common: well put cecile!
	2:17pm JakeGould: @Cecile: Decent idea. But the thing is all cities—if you follow zoning trends—are banning all kinds of “fun” nowadays in favor of cafes, casual retail and the housing around it. Case in point: Dancing and live performance is just outright banned in most placed unless they are a “venue.” And on a smaller scale, when was the last time you saw an arcade game or pinball game in a venue? Yeah, some places have ironic video games for “atmosphere” but in general, arcade games are treated as potential gambling devices… And if you run a successful business with some of those installed, very strong chance zoning nonsense and fines will be pulled on you. “Fun” is slowly being outlawed from group settings; enjoy your “Candy Crush Saga” on your phone, human.
	2:21pm Cecile: It's a little different out here, but I know what you are saying. I'm just tired of cities putting all their arts bucks into institutions that do have robust fundraising efforts.
	2:21pm Tito "Pepe" Infidado: The Pepe would have been banned from ABC for life for his Badgerness!
	2:23pm paula pc: these guys are polite and thoughtful and even-speaking, and this scene is great and I'm so glad it's still happening
	2:23pm paula pc: THANKS to these guys, and THANKS Diane!
	2:24pm Cecile: Supenn from the Sawatdee restaurant chain here in Minneapolis used to always say she'd rather have a rock show at the Metrodome or near her than any football game. Music fans go explore the city, eat Thai food at her restaurants, and buy stuff. The sports fans, for the most part, go and leave with no other stops. Now, I know it's a little different for basketball and baseball because they are deeper into the city. The surrounding businesses are going great. But still.
	2:24pm Cecile: Freddy and John, if you decide to clone yourself, please sent a copy to Mpls.
	2:26pm Cecile: and Mike BS, too.
	2:26pm JakeGould: @Cecile: Where are you? In NYC and other major U.S. cities what I see is just a retreat from arts. Sports and major venues are the only thing they care about. A lot of it comes from the fear that small venues simply attract a “bad element”. Nonsense in 2015. They don’t nurture anything but real estate in NYC nowadays. They bring the artists in at low rents to make places seem fun and safe, and then when they have made it safe? Kick them out to the curb and build glass towers or convert to condos. Really crass.
	2:28pm Cecile: I'm in Minneapolis. We are at a crossroads. We are building way too many condos now, but there are still neighborhoods that are fun and pretty safe. And they haven't kicked the artists out of the Northeast lofts yet because they are a huge part of our quality of life.
	2:29pm Cecile: the fact our neighborhood has a lot of single family and duplex housing has helped. Diversifies the ownership.
	2:31pm sm: can you repeat the dates/times of the screening or where to find info?
	2:44pm coe: Ah so much talk I missed so much :(
	2:45pm JakeGould: @Cecile: I don’t disagree with your ideas, but the thing is with factories leaving the U.S. and the main economic motivator in most locales being real estate, the economic trend towards nonsense development is the main thing that pushes things through. Sad, but true.
	2:46pm JakeGould: @coe: The archives allow for time travel.
	2:49pm chris: @JG, i think you're on to it, taxes: both sales and real estate > music/arts... except when folks move and buy because of the music/arts scene... that is often lost in the city planning meetings
	2:51pm Cheri Pi: Our city is planning around the arts, one of the big club owners is an urban planner.
	2:52pm JakeGould: @chris: Also, I mentioned arcade games for a very specific reason because in many locales music, arts and entertainment had some connections in the past to organized crime. So people still think—even if the law says otherwise—that someone opening up a pinball arcade and bar is opening the door to drugs and gang violence. In NYC pinball itself was only legalized in the 1970s as a “game of skill” and that was less than 50 years ago. So the fear that “fun” leads to “crime” still exists in many local boards mindsets.
	2:54pm coe: @jakegould oh totally but I would have been able to jump in on your conversation with Cecile there especially being a guy from NJ with such strong ties to NYC and my opinion that with in the next 30 years the island will consist of nothing but "retail" and extreme high level real estate. Basically being the worlds largest mall.
	2:55pm JakeGould: @chris: Also, in NYC when you look at the history of who owns property and land in certain areas it’s clear that it is not a collective will creating real estate development: It’s typically one large entity. Like NYU and the Village. Here is NYU, a liberal arts college in the heart of a bohemian world capital and they see the real estate as more valuable than the culture that inspired a world on dozens of levels. Bleecker Street is a high-end food court now.
	2:56pm JakeGould: @coe: Been exploring NJ in dribs and drabs and it seems the only real estate they want there is glass towers and malls. True malls. If there was a real vision for the PATH connected areas you could have a true arts district there. But it’s odd and spotty at best now.
	2:57pm coe: And to JakeGould's point I have complete watched the disemination of St. Mark's in almost as little as a decade
	2:59pm V Priceless: Thanks Diane! Fun and informative show!
	2:59pm coe: @jakegould NJ has no interest even less then NYC in bringing anything of any cultural significance to the forefront. NYC at least postures.
	2:59pm JakeGould: @coe: Do you remember back in the 1980s when all of West 8th Street to Saint Marks and then to Tompkins Square Park was basically what Williamsburg used to be as well? West 8th Street near 6th Avenue was my first “hipster mall” hangout in JHS/HS back then.
	2:59pm coe: DK this one goes up there on the list of favorites.
	3:00pm coe: Very much so. I was to young to be there but even I knew of it's repuation at teh tiem.
	3:01pm JakeGould: @coe: Whenever I visit Jersey City I feel like I could be—sorry to say this—in any town in the midwest with a “nice” downtown and that is it. It looks like it has potential and then you look at that whole financial district downtown and realize that could have been something more than just glass towers.

Diane's Kamikaze Fun Machine: Playlist from April 30, 2015

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April 30, 2015: Freddy Alva & Mike Bullsh*t guesting today promoting the ABC NO RIO Retrospective

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Artist	Track	Approx. start time
Melvins	Charmicarmicat "Charmicarmicat" by "Melvins"	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Mastodon	Feast Your Eyes "Feast Your Eyes" by "Mastodon"	0:22:12 (Pop-up)
High On Fire	Baghdad "Baghdad" by "High On Fire"	0:25:30 (Pop-up)

Lightning Bolt	King Of My World "King Of My World" by "Lightning Bolt"	0:37:39 (Pop-up)
Voivod	Insect "Insect" by "Voivod"	0:41:37 (Pop-up)
Yuppicide	Bang-Bang "Bang-Bang" by "Yuppicide"	0:47:25 (Pop-up)
Rorschach	Lighting Strikes Twice "Lighting Strikes Twice" by "Rorschach"	0:49:53 (Pop-up)
Hellchild	Without Any Answer "Without Any Answer" by "Hellchild"	0:51:38 (Pop-up)
Bugout Society	Queens Cugine "Queens Cugine" by "Bugout Society"	0:54:59 (Pop-up)
Amebix	Eat Drink & be Merry "Eat Drink & be Merry" by "Amebix"	0:57:29 (Pop-up)

Interview With Freddy Alva and Mike BS		1:05:14 (Pop-up)
Citizens Arrest	Touch & Go "Touch & Go" by "Citizens Arrest"	1:48:59 (Pop-up)
Hell No	Deal With It "Deal With It" by "Hell No"	1:50:40 (Pop-up)
Go!	The Dead Ones "The Dead Ones" by "Go!"	1:54:30 (Pop-up)
Rorschach	Synthetic Intelligence "Synthetic Intelligence" by "Rorschach"	1:55:33 (Pop-up)
Warning	Blind Leading the Blind "Blind Leading the Blind" by "Warning"	1:58:06 (Pop-up)

Interview With Freddy Alva and John Woods		2:09:36 (Pop-up)
Huasipungo	Stupid Ambition "Stupid Ambition" by "Huasipungo"	2:37:01 (Pop-up)
Animal Crackers	Roadkill "Roadkill" by "Animal Crackers"	2:37:46 (Pop-up)
Born Against	Resist Control "Resist Control" by "Born Against"	2:40:01 (Pop-up)
Inflatable Children	Ignore Me "Ignore Me" by "Inflatable Children"	2:40:44 (Pop-up)

Deformity	Fractured "Fractured" by "Deformity"	2:43:44 (Pop-up)
The Mob	Prisoner of Switzerland "Prisoner of Switzerland" by "The Mob"	2:45:49 (Pop-up)
Corrupted	Post War Dream "Post War Dream" by "Corrupted"	2:48:44 (Pop-up)
Year of No Light	Selenite "Selenite" by "Year of No Light"	2:51:02 (Pop-up)
Year of No Light	Langoisse du Veiller de nuit d'autorote de soir	2:57:20 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	12:05pm V Priceless: Heya Diane! Yay Melvins!
	12:05pm Claw!: Doooooooooooooooooooom
	12:05pm chris: Yo, Diane, All! Rawk!
	12:06pm Jim Devoid: ....Waiting patiently to harass Alva & Mike BS...
	12:08pm Cecile: hola!
	12:08pm Cecile: I need music to crush the last of this awful April into the ground.
	12:11pm Claw!: Girl, I, too, am so ready for April to be over. I normally love this month because of birthday and Spring, but this year, it has really sucked.
	12:13pm Cecile: I know. It has been a whirlwind of a shitstorm.
	12:18pm MONEYBAG$: It's been over 20 years since I last heard this song all the way through
	12:21pm MenfussMike: Top 5 band.
	👻 12:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: May a divine wind be with you all today.
	12:23pm sphere: hello peoplez
	12:24pm Cecile: Diane's Kids!
	12:24pm Cecile: they must be my estranged step-grandkids by default, then.
	12:25pm coe: 'ello folks
	12:26pm chris: hi, Grandma, can i borrow $20?
	12:26pm Cecile: YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
	12:26pm Cecile: Ask your damn mother.
	12:27pm PKNY: PIKE! \m/
	12:28pm coe: I have to thank DK for encouraging me to give the last Mastodon a second listen. Was not thrilled with it at first but I have grown to love it.
	12:42pm common: the bolt!
	12:43pm Cecile: VOIVODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
	12:43pm chris: OMG, I though this was Ministry in the first few bars.. but, no, its 'VOD!
	12:44pm coe: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	12:44pm Polyus: E-Force!
	12:44pm coe: @chris I can defiantly hear the Ministry similarity.
	👻 12:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: Le Vod!
	12:46pm common: voivod...late.
	12:46pm sphere: voivod voivod voivod voivod!
	12:48pm Dave B: whoa.
	12:49pm jdelz: Yuppicide! My first time in NYC was to see them with Mind over Matter at Coney Island High. Amazing show.
	12:50pm common: i remember coney island high, jdelz. i fell down those steps with a bass rig. good times.
	12:51pm chris: Sick dude gif, Dave B!
	12:51pm Jim Devoid: Roar shack!
	12:52pm totallybiased: Ahhhh Rorshach. Gern Blandsteny!
	12:52pm Dave B: Thanks Chris.... It's been a while since I've been on these here boards.
	12:57pm coe: Was just going to joke that I was just here today to hear the obligatory Bugout Socitey song. :)
	12:57pm Cheri Pi: VOIVOD!!!!!!! Hey peeps!
	12:58pm coe: Hey Cheri!!
	1:01pm coe: It was weird. I learned about ABC from MMR. So I was a kid in NJ who learned about a club in NYC from a magazine published in CA.
	1:01pm Cheri Pi: COE!!
	1:01pm Rev. Turnip Druid: PEEPLE.
	1:02pm Cheri Pi: Peepaw!
	1:03pm jdelz: Amebix snare sound totally rules.
	1:03pm common: well hello
	1:05pm Rev. Turnip Druid: PAH! th'VOD!
	1:06pm janimpala: good afternoon everyone!
	1:10pm Jim Devoid: YO! BS!
	1:13pm Cheri Pi: We had the nasty skinheads here too in Cincy in the 80's, and some of them linger around to this day.
	1:16pm mavrg: Any chance of hearing the Manacled today?
	1:17pm common: they do still linger everywhere, cheri. ugh.
	1:20pm Dave B: They linger longer
	1:21pm janimpala: Good afternoon Diane, Freddy and Mike. Please ask Mike to return my SFA show video tapes that I lent him LOL.
	1:22pm coe: Yeah there is sorry to say always still at least one of those knuckleheads at every show.
	1:23pm janimpala: No Mike is NOT making that up!
	1:26pm Dave B: BS Monthly Sept 85: crumbsuckers.voila.net...
	1:28pm Dave B: Can't find the cover at the moment, but I think it was 10 cents back then
	1:30pm Dave B: Correction... 50 cents
	1:35pm Gamp: I think it was Reverb Motherf**ers that canceled.
	1:36pm janimpala: SFA used to bowl against Bug Out Society to see who would end up being clean up band.
	1:39pm Gamp: MC Charlie says it was the Dwarves. I may not have remembered it correctly. I remember talking to one of the organizers on the phone and he kept mentioning RMF.
	1:41pm jeff: i recall hearing these brands on Clinton street...Silver Bullet, Showdown.... but hey Freddie, the LES was not out of the way for NYC punx.
	1:42pm Boswell: SFA never beat Bugout Society!
	1:43pm Listener Robert: Is Diane taking notes in pencil, or sketching?
	1:43pm Boswell: Gamp, Lou always talked about RMF.
	1:46pm Diane Kamikaze: Freddy just wrote me a note and his mic was on!
	1:46pm janimpala: Yo Boswell - the only time BOS beat SFA at bowling was when Mike was still singing, hence the other nickname Mike BOWLsh*t.
	1:46pm Jim Devoid: Matt Average - You are OK in my book - Jim!
	1:48pm mavrg: Jim - I'm not devoid of faith in you!
	1:48pm Boswell: I notice obephobes aren't banned!
	1:49pm Boswell: He bowled a 28.
	1:50pm Jim Devoid: Average answer..
	1:51pm Jim Devoid: Ted Leo era CA?
	1:52pm janimpala: Bos - yeah 28, 32 scores . I was more worried about the ball getting loose on his back swing, cuz he let it go crashing into the seats behind us at least once.
	1:55pm Boswell: I'm gonna get a cheese sandwich.
	1:55pm Jim Devoid: Always liked Go!, thought BS was way too shirtless most of the time.
	1:56pm mavrg: Dress to Oppress MacNaughton.
	1:57pm janimpala: Bos - what kind of cheese sandwich? It better be on cruelty free bread!
	1:59pm JakeGould: The bread was made with love and the cheese was raised gently.
	2:01pm Sanchez "Tito" Infidado: the revolution is back in play, rock on!
	2:08pm janimpala: Agreed on how important to the whole makeup of the scene Mike BS was in all this, not jsut in the ABCNoRio portion of it, but in the whole LES NYHC scene. Thanks Mike.
	2:12pm MD: LIVING GUITARS....!!!
	2:14pm Cecile: if noise is a problem, why can't cities create live music districts in their planning?
	2:16pm Tito "Pepe" Infidado: Rocking out with the Kamikaze then going to enjoy the weather and start a commotion! Viva la Rio!
	2:16pm Cecile: municipalities have contorted themselves trying to justify expensive sports arenas. Why not the arts?
	2:17pm common: well put cecile!
	2:17pm JakeGould: @Cecile: Decent idea. But the thing is all cities—if you follow zoning trends—are banning all kinds of “fun” nowadays in favor of cafes, casual retail and the housing around it. Case in point: Dancing and live performance is just outright banned in most placed unless they are a “venue.” And on a smaller scale, when was the last time you saw an arcade game or pinball game in a venue? Yeah, some places have ironic video games for “atmosphere” but in general, arcade games are treated as potential gambling devices… And if you run a successful business with some of those installed, very strong chance zoning nonsense and fines will be pulled on you. “Fun” is slowly being outlawed from group settings; enjoy your “Candy Crush Saga” on your phone, human.
	2:21pm Cecile: It's a little different out here, but I know what you are saying. I'm just tired of cities putting all their arts bucks into institutions that do have robust fundraising efforts.
	2:21pm Tito "Pepe" Infidado: The Pepe would have been banned from ABC for life for his Badgerness!
	2:23pm paula pc: these guys are polite and thoughtful and even-speaking, and this scene is great and I'm so glad it's still happening
	2:23pm paula pc: THANKS to these guys, and THANKS Diane!
	2:24pm Cecile: Supenn from the Sawatdee restaurant chain here in Minneapolis used to always say she'd rather have a rock show at the Metrodome or near her than any football game. Music fans go explore the city, eat Thai food at her restaurants, and buy stuff. The sports fans, for the most part, go and leave with no other stops. Now, I know it's a little different for basketball and baseball because they are deeper into the city. The surrounding businesses are going great. But still.
	2:24pm Cecile: Freddy and John, if you decide to clone yourself, please sent a copy to Mpls.
	2:26pm Cecile: and Mike BS, too.
	2:26pm JakeGould: @Cecile: Where are you? In NYC and other major U.S. cities what I see is just a retreat from arts. Sports and major venues are the only thing they care about. A lot of it comes from the fear that small venues simply attract a “bad element”. Nonsense in 2015. They don’t nurture anything but real estate in NYC nowadays. They bring the artists in at low rents to make places seem fun and safe, and then when they have made it safe? Kick them out to the curb and build glass towers or convert to condos. Really crass.
	2:28pm Cecile: I'm in Minneapolis. We are at a crossroads. We are building way too many condos now, but there are still neighborhoods that are fun and pretty safe. And they haven't kicked the artists out of the Northeast lofts yet because they are a huge part of our quality of life.
	2:29pm Cecile: the fact our neighborhood has a lot of single family and duplex housing has helped. Diversifies the ownership.
	2:31pm sm: can you repeat the dates/times of the screening or where to find info?
	2:44pm coe: Ah so much talk I missed so much :(
	2:45pm JakeGould: @Cecile: I don’t disagree with your ideas, but the thing is with factories leaving the U.S. and the main economic motivator in most locales being real estate, the economic trend towards nonsense development is the main thing that pushes things through. Sad, but true.
	2:46pm JakeGould: @coe: The archives allow for time travel.
	2:49pm chris: @JG, i think you're on to it, taxes: both sales and real estate > music/arts... except when folks move and buy because of the music/arts scene... that is often lost in the city planning meetings
	2:51pm Cheri Pi: Our city is planning around the arts, one of the big club owners is an urban planner.
	2:52pm JakeGould: @chris: Also, I mentioned arcade games for a very specific reason because in many locales music, arts and entertainment had some connections in the past to organized crime. So people still think—even if the law says otherwise—that someone opening up a pinball arcade and bar is opening the door to drugs and gang violence. In NYC pinball itself was only legalized in the 1970s as a “game of skill” and that was less than 50 years ago. So the fear that “fun” leads to “crime” still exists in many local boards mindsets.
	2:54pm coe: @jakegould oh totally but I would have been able to jump in on your conversation with Cecile there especially being a guy from NJ with such strong ties to NYC and my opinion that with in the next 30 years the island will consist of nothing but "retail" and extreme high level real estate. Basically being the worlds largest mall.
	2:55pm JakeGould: @chris: Also, in NYC when you look at the history of who owns property and land in certain areas it’s clear that it is not a collective will creating real estate development: It’s typically one large entity. Like NYU and the Village. Here is NYU, a liberal arts college in the heart of a bohemian world capital and they see the real estate as more valuable than the culture that inspired a world on dozens of levels. Bleecker Street is a high-end food court now.
	2:56pm JakeGould: @coe: Been exploring NJ in dribs and drabs and it seems the only real estate they want there is glass towers and malls. True malls. If there was a real vision for the PATH connected areas you could have a true arts district there. But it’s odd and spotty at best now.
	2:57pm coe: And to JakeGould's point I have complete watched the disemination of St. Mark's in almost as little as a decade
	2:59pm V Priceless: Thanks Diane! Fun and informative show!
	2:59pm coe: @jakegould NJ has no interest even less then NYC in bringing anything of any cultural significance to the forefront. NYC at least postures.
	2:59pm JakeGould: @coe: Do you remember back in the 1980s when all of West 8th Street to Saint Marks and then to Tompkins Square Park was basically what Williamsburg used to be as well? West 8th Street near 6th Avenue was my first “hipster mall” hangout in JHS/HS back then.
	2:59pm coe: DK this one goes up there on the list of favorites.
	3:00pm coe: Very much so. I was to young to be there but even I knew of it's repuation at teh tiem.
	3:01pm JakeGould: @coe: Whenever I visit Jersey City I feel like I could be—sorry to say this—in any town in the midwest with a “nice” downtown and that is it. It looks like it has potential and then you look at that whole financial district downtown and realize that could have been something more than just glass towers.

Diane's Kamikaze Fun Machine: Playlist from April 30, 2015

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