WFMU: The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from September 26, 2018

Listener comments!
	9:03am Cheri Pi: Greetings
	9:06am Scott McDowell: Yo!
	9:06am Marley Dogg: Güten morgen
	9:06am doncaballero: What up, everyone!?
	9:07am mb: Top o’ the morning
	9:07am Lixiviated Life: Ok everyone... rally caps
	9:07am Sebastian: dum dum duuuum
	9:08am ?: ><((*>
	9:09am Undead83: ><((> ><((>
	9:10am Ken From Hyde Park: Rally time!
	9:10am TDK60: Hello Scott,.. the Temps!
	9:11am Rev. Turnip Druid: Who has carrot cake?
	9:12am sphere: psychedelic shack!!!
	9:13am listener Rey: Hey Scott. Great start to my Wednesday morning
	9:13am glenn: i'm anti carrot cake, and pro zucchini loaf.
	9:16am glenn: but in all other carrot - zucchini battles, i'm pro carrot.
	9:20am Fuzzy: No right channel ???
	9:22am Lixiviated Life: More Monk (w/ the bent note funk)
	9:24am glenn: kee-aro-scuro. in italian, h hardens the letter preceding it.
	9:25am Scott McDowell: Ah thanks!
	9:25am Lixiviated Life: "looking for ken"? but.. why? is he missing?
	9:26am destructo: Heh... the live stream player is currently linking to a One Direction live DVD
	9:27am fredr: Morning Scott! Nice to hear you early at this time.
	9:27am Chris from DC: Hello. Yay, The Clean!
	9:29am fred: Good Morning Scott and listeners
	9:31am The Oscar: @destructo I saw that before I read the artist name, and thought "Man, I guess I should give One Direction a chance!"
	9:33am destructo: @The Oscar - yeah! I was thinking wow, they have really grown as musicians
	9:34am crateslinger: I'm excited. Good luck Scott. Change is good, except when it comes with arthritis.
	9:36am coelacanth∅: good morning Scott & others
	9:36am AnAnonymousParty: My arthritis makes it hard for me to pick up change sometimes.
	9:38am Pablo: Hello brovuhh
	9:53am Scott McDowell: Hey !
	10:00am Planet Tyler: Hey there Scott, welcome to your new time slot. It's especially working for this rainy day!
	10:02am Scott McDowell: : )
	10:11am Chris from DC: Nice, love Prairie School Freakout.
	10:14am βrian: Blue skies over the isthmus today. Good morning.
	10:16am coelacanth∅: watching the candles burn sounded like mission of burma to me.
	10:17am coelacanth∅: (esp the first song on vs. ...or maybe the first song on side 2 of vs.?)
	10:21am duke: This David S. Ware track is one of my all time favorite peices
	10:21am coelacanth∅: rest in peace David.
	10:25am melinda: Hi everyone
	10:29am βrian: Salut, melinda. Where's the giant fish?
	10:31am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Raining in Buffalo today. VERY humid in the lab, 72%/ Yuk, sticky and kind of lukewarm and confusing. Like a Nickelback concert! (reference: bigfoot ads on tv. heh!). David S. Ware reminds me of AMAZING Coltrane or other saxaphone greats. Wow!
	10:33am jimndenver: so great to hear jazz again on WFMU. great job scott!
	10:36am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Toronto has a "world class" jazz station but I gave up listening to it because there is SO MUCH shitty jazz out there. It got really annoying, yuk. FMU consistently plays far far better jazz.
	10:41am coelacanth∅: i'll be listening in the car for a while Scott THANKS! tchau
	10:48am northguineahills: The NPR station's jazz show here is usually 90% smooth jazz crap, but occasionally they'll play Coltrane or Pharoah....
	10:55am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @NGH-it's like country music. There is some good stuff out there, but you must seek it out. Its like fusion...most of it is crap.
	10:57am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I THOUGHT this was 75 Dollar Bill!
	10:58am duke: Great stuff today Scott
	11:00am Chris from DC: Just saw Che Chen with David Watson this summer, amazing show.
	11:04am Ken From Hyde Park: File this one to Joe McGasko's Surface Noise program, I guess.
	11:05am northguineahills: My car plays 20+ year old cdrs usually perfectly.
	11:05am Scott McDowell: Haha! totally
	11:06am Rocky Horror: The is what happens when you DON'T take care of your CDs
	11:08am Scott McDowell: No stopping DISK ROT it comes for all of us. : )
	11:10am Rich in Washington: I wished i had of named my late 80s band DISK ROT. It would've been really prophetic.
	11:12am Rich in Washington: I have a few really early CD purchases that are now starting to become unplayable. And I take really, really good care of my CDs. A couple of them are early Shimmy Disc CD releases. Hmmm...
	11:14am Scott McDowell: CD-Rs man, CDs generally OK.
	11:14am crateslinger: Strange that the degradation is audible like that instead of being just a general depletion in digital data leading to a collapse in functionality. After all it is not a mechanical thing, like a tape or an lp.
	11:15am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: All my CDs are stored vertically. Some skip. I was told in the 80's they would "last forever". Guess not!
	11:15am Scott McDowell: DISK ROT is REAL
	11:15am Dean: PDO, a British CD manufacturer, produced a huge number of CDs during the late '80s to early '90s that gradually burned to toast. They remedied the situation in two ways. First, they adjusted their production specs to avoid the issue. Second, they replaced free of charge any affected CDs. I must have replaced about fifty of them through the '90s.
	11:16am crateslinger: of course I don't know how anything works, so whatever.
	11:16am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @Dean-are they still honoring that deal??
	11:18am Dean: Good question, @WildNeil. If you can find PDO (if they still exist), it's worth a try. But you'll have to identify them as the manufacturer of the disks. I was buying heavily in a number of classical labels for whom they produced disks (Hyperion, Pearl, ASV, etc.), so it was relatively easy to find the bronzing items.
	11:19am Dean: Usually, "PDO" appeared on the inner ring, what in vinyl parlance we'd call the "run out."
	11:20am Dan Bodah: Loved that East of the Valley Blues piece Scott
	11:24am mjgoins: This low song is the best
	11:24am Chris from DC: Really need to hear more of that Olson/Case/Hardiman.
	11:27am Listener Gregory: I am finding some CDs that will not play in my player but can be read by my computer. Presumably, they are in the process of degrading, and I have to digitize them ASAP.
	11:28am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Like a dummy, I gave away 350 albums in 1994. Duh! Because they "were hard to move from apartment to apartment". Boy, I am the KING of bad decisions!
	11:28am Ed Zeppole: I saw Low last week at two of their shows @ National Sawdust and as usual, they were phenominal. The new tunes had a more minimal feel live and they played a number of great tunes from the past. National Sawdust is an amazing venue by the way.
	11:31am βrian: Thanks for the excellent show, Scott. Gotta run.
	11:33am Carmichael: Heya Scott and folks. Finally, a plain white homepage! I can't look at some of the others (hear that, Warwick?).
	11:33am Rich in Washington: @Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Don't feel bad. I've done that both with large chunks of both my CD and record collection at a couple of points in my life. I sometimes agonize over how many records I would have now if not for the two or three purges I've done.
	11:33am crateslinger: If you type in some computer code wrong by one character, you don't get a program that just runs sorta - you get nothing. It simply doesn't work. Well sometimes it runs glitchy, but mostly it just fails altogether. So if a digital compact disk format is deteriorating, some of the data is gone - whether audio or some other type of data. How does that fail to translate as a broken sequence. Anybody?
	11:34am Listener Gregory: I am right now digitizing my favorite CD-R: Larks They Crazy, by Robin Holcomb, based on this scary conversation.
	11:35am Rich in Washington: I think the last time I did it in around 2003/4 was 'I can find ANYTHING on the web! Who needs CDs?'. And local used stores still had a really good exchange rate for CDs.
	11:35am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @Crateslinger-well, they run in parallel, not serially so it gracefully degrades! Just kidding, no idea whatsofing ever.
	11:35am crateslinger: A deteriorated CD should not play at all. There's a lot of smart people in here. Somebody should be able to explain this to a dumbie like me. Or are we all artists?
	11:36am crateslinger: You had me for a second Neil... parallel. Good one!
	11:36am Listener Gregory: @crateslinger, I think CD players have different error correction procedures.
	11:37am Rich in Washington: I don't know why but I have found that is the case, that a CD that won't play on a CD player can often be read by a computer's optical drive. I have backed up many a questionable CD/CDR that way. I too would like to know why, though.
	11:37am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Updating ISO documents. "Get all excited and going to a yawn festival!" -Steve Martin, "A Wild and Funny Guy".
	11:37am mjgoins: I thought when a CD degrades, it just doesn't play sound at all, though?
	11:37am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Mine skip like a MF. Some tracks still work.
	11:37am crateslinger: Lis Greg - but if the data is simply not there... the player makes it up? Like a session man.
	11:38am steveo: this is monk, right?
	11:39am hendrix wolfbat: Are you sure we'll be able to turn on the lights if Facebook is gone?
	11:39am Barney Grubbs: More likely the coating degrades and scatters the laser that is reading the data, so the data are still there but the read-out is being interfered with to various degrees depending on the local degradation level?
	11:39am mjgoins: CDs are purely digital with respect to how they store information. They store a literal series of ones and zeroes, using a special encoding that contains error correction. That stream of data then is translated into another stream of ones and zeros that make up bytes or words, which I think are 16 bits long, representing sound samples at 44.1khz So if the "outer" digital encoding degrades, the error correction should just fail, and the bad samples should just get skipped.
	11:39am hendrix wolfbat: Ie: no Facebook? No electricity
	11:40am Rich in Washington: I understand that the plastic component of CDs can be the unstable element. I used to work in plastics and there are all kinds of things that can go wrong in their formulation to make plastics start to degrade. I guess. I don't know. I DO know that one of my aforementioned Shimmy releases has what looks like holes in the foil component. I have no idea how that can happen. The plastic is otherwise unmarked.
	11:40am crateslinger: it would be funny if some of the missing music was replaced by the player. They could take things in different directions. We could be like, "Whoa man, that was deep." Really old cd's would just be free jazz improv different everyday.
	11:40am Listener Gregory: The data don't all disappear at once. It's a continuous process, like fading a book cover in the sun. When it starts, some readers might be lost, but others can fill in the few missing points. NB: All CDs have some missing data, because manufacturing is not prefect.
	11:40am Scott McDowell: Yes
	11:41am mjgoins: I suppose if the CD player is doing its best to play each valid sample, but skips each bad sample, in real time, you would get white noise playing over your music.
	11:41am Listener Gregory: I have a Peter Brotzmann CD that looks like it has fungus, but it's not on the surface. I've lost about half of the music. Total bummer.
	11:42am crateslinger: This is a future genre. Multiple depleted cd's playing at once. Preferable with accompanied by a laser light show in the planetarium.
	11:42am Listener Gregory: @mjgoins, For short intervals the player might guess what sound should be there, which is often somewhat predictable.
	11:42am Scott McDowell: @hendrix wolfbat, yes to no electricity! poof gone. : )
	11:43am crateslinger: I haven't played a cd or cdr in ten years. I should dig them out and see what kind of historical documents I have created.
	11:44am crateslinger: Never took them seriously.
	11:44am Listener Gregory: To be clear, I do not actually know what I am talking about.
	11:44am hendrix wolfbat: @Scott Mcdowell well no electricity would also mean no WFMU, which would leave an enormous grand canyon sized hole in my life at this point.
	11:44am destructo: nothing to do but hire an army of people to rip all my CDs and etch the ones and zeroes into stone tablets, to be buried with me in my sarcophagus
	11:47am Joel St. Germain: Perfect weekday morning show for me. Awesome having you back on the air, Scott.
	11:47am steveo: @hendrx we could all move to jersey city and gather around as djs played records with hand crank victrolas
	11:49am crateslinger: I remember when WFMU was one of the only reasons I had to remain in NYC. Can somebody remind me why I'm still here?
	11:50am steveo: it's where the crates need slinging?
	11:51am crateslinger: haha. Yeah I guess so.
	11:52am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Let's all get real sentimental about CDs like we did about albums in the 90's. Except albums might actually last longer! NOW I see why the national archives store music on 78's! @Crateslinger-you are there because you can find almost any art form or music you want. Certainly NOT because it's a bargain!
	11:52am northguineahills: @crateslinger: I left NYC, and I'm listening to WFMU....
	11:53am northguineahills: I had someone last night like my WFMU shirt. She then downloaded the app....
	11:54am crateslinger: Neill I'm in bed by 8:30 every night. NGH - exactly my point...
	11:54am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I LIKE owning 0.49 acres of lawn I have to mow every thursday when its warm enough for grass to grow. It is my tiny kingdom of malfunctioning plumbing, electrical, roofing and windows and doors. It's the most valuable thing I don't own yet.
	11:56am hendrix wolfbat: @Steveo ok sounds good. I'll bring the marshmallows...lol.
	11:57am crateslinger: Five years ago, when I moved out of my apartment of 18 years, the last thing I removed was a wire antenna strung around the place, painted over like four times, that I had to install when I first moved in so I could pick up WFMU. It's actually hard to get the terrestrial signal in Brooklyn unless you're in a car. Manhattan is a huge pile of RF interference between me and my beloved.
	11:58am northguineahills: Thanks Scott, awesome vibes!
	11:58am crateslinger: This is an awesome show by the way. I gotta go build some boxes. Thanks Scott!
	11:58am northguineahills: @crateslinger: I was streaming WFMU in the 90s before I moved to NYC.
	11:59am crateslinger: NGH - I started streaming then too but before that it was a struggle. Bye Scott!
	12:00pm doncaballero: Thanks Scott! Great show.
	12:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: As long as "Hipnosis" doesn't succumb to disk rot, we're going to be OK.

The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from September 26, 2018

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September 26, 2018: Head in the Clouds

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Grachan Moncur III	Hipnosis "Hipnosis" by "Grachan Moncur III"			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Temptations	Psychedelic Shack	Psychedelic Shack		0:09:10 (Pop-up)
Count Basie Trio	Baby Lawrence "Baby Lawrence" by "Count Basie Trio"	For the First Time	Pablo	0:13:11 (Pop-up)
Perry Robinson	Traveler "Traveler" by "Perry Robinson"	Traveler	Chiaroscuro Records	0:16:25 (Pop-up)

The Clean	At the Bottom "At the Bottom" by "The Clean"	Oddities		0:24:38 (Pop-up)
Astral Blessing	A "A" by "Astral Blessing"	Astral Blessing	Mad Monk	0:28:51 (Pop-up)
Headroom	Flower of Light "Flower of Light" by "Headroom"	Head in the Clouds	Trouble In Mind	0:45:43 (Pop-up)
Majutsu No Niwa 魔術の庭	Grand Okeanos	At the End of Summer	Music Atlach	0:54:52 (Pop-up)

Eleventh Dream Day	Watching the Candles Burn	Prairie School Freakout	Amoeba	1:08:34 (Pop-up)
Deux Maisons	Two Balconies "Two Balconies" by "Deux Maisons"	For Sale	Clean Feed	1:12:20 (Pop-up)
David S. Ware	African Drums "African Drums" by "David S. Ware"	Surrendered	DIW	1:16:21 (Pop-up)

Sakata / Laswell / Drake / Cosey	Kaigara-Bushi	Fisherman's.com	Trost	1:39:31 (Pop-up)
Dharma Quintet	Cirrus "Cirrus" by "Dharma Quintet"	End Starting	Souffle Continu	1:47:58 (Pop-up)
75 Dollar Bill	Slow Jumper's Harp	Wooden Bag	Other Music Recording Co.	1:55:59 (Pop-up)

East of the Valley Blues	Ressemblera, Pt. II	Ressemblara	Astral Spirits	2:04:29 (Pop-up)
Olson/Case/Hardiman	Part 3 "Part 3" by "Olson/Case/Hardiman"	March of the Mutilated Vol. 3	Tape Drift	2:16:41 (Pop-up)
Low	Rome (Always in the Dark) "Rome (Always in the Dark)" by "Low"	Double Negative	Sub Pop	2:23:20 (Pop-up)
Mark Fell	INTRA-6 "INTRA-6" by "Mark Fell"			2:27:14 (Pop-up)
Barker Trio	New Wolves, Old Bones	Barker Trio	Phantom Ear Music	2:28:57 (Pop-up)

Archie Shepp and the Full Moon Ensemble	The Early Bird	Live in Antibes Vol. 1	BYG/Actuel	2:39:38 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:03am Cheri Pi: Greetings
	9:06am Scott McDowell: Yo!
	9:06am Marley Dogg: Güten morgen
	9:06am doncaballero: What up, everyone!?
	9:07am mb: Top o’ the morning
	9:07am Lixiviated Life: Ok everyone... rally caps
	9:07am Sebastian: dum dum duuuum
	9:08am ?: ><((*>
	9:09am Undead83: ><((> ><((>
	9:10am Ken From Hyde Park: Rally time!
	9:10am TDK60: Hello Scott,.. the Temps!
	9:11am Rev. Turnip Druid: Who has carrot cake?
	9:12am sphere: psychedelic shack!!!
	9:13am listener Rey: Hey Scott. Great start to my Wednesday morning
	9:13am glenn: i'm anti carrot cake, and pro zucchini loaf.
	9:16am glenn: but in all other carrot - zucchini battles, i'm pro carrot.
	9:20am Fuzzy: No right channel ???
	9:22am Lixiviated Life: More Monk (w/ the bent note funk)
	9:24am glenn: kee-aro-scuro. in italian, h hardens the letter preceding it.
	9:25am Scott McDowell: Ah thanks!
	9:25am Lixiviated Life: "looking for ken"? but.. why? is he missing?
	9:26am destructo: Heh... the live stream player is currently linking to a One Direction live DVD
	9:27am fredr: Morning Scott! Nice to hear you early at this time.
	9:27am Chris from DC: Hello. Yay, The Clean!
	9:29am fred: Good Morning Scott and listeners
	9:31am The Oscar: @destructo I saw that before I read the artist name, and thought "Man, I guess I should give One Direction a chance!"
	9:33am destructo: @The Oscar - yeah! I was thinking wow, they have really grown as musicians
	9:34am crateslinger: I'm excited. Good luck Scott. Change is good, except when it comes with arthritis.
	9:36am coelacanth∅: good morning Scott & others
	9:36am AnAnonymousParty: My arthritis makes it hard for me to pick up change sometimes.
	9:38am Pablo: Hello brovuhh
	9:53am Scott McDowell: Hey !
	10:00am Planet Tyler: Hey there Scott, welcome to your new time slot. It's especially working for this rainy day!
	10:02am Scott McDowell: : )
	10:11am Chris from DC: Nice, love Prairie School Freakout.
	10:14am βrian: Blue skies over the isthmus today. Good morning.
	10:16am coelacanth∅: watching the candles burn sounded like mission of burma to me.
	10:17am coelacanth∅: (esp the first song on vs. ...or maybe the first song on side 2 of vs.?)
	10:21am duke: This David S. Ware track is one of my all time favorite peices
	10:21am coelacanth∅: rest in peace David.
	10:25am melinda: Hi everyone
	10:29am βrian: Salut, melinda. Where's the giant fish?
	10:31am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Raining in Buffalo today. VERY humid in the lab, 72%/ Yuk, sticky and kind of lukewarm and confusing. Like a Nickelback concert! (reference: bigfoot ads on tv. heh!). David S. Ware reminds me of AMAZING Coltrane or other saxaphone greats. Wow!
	10:33am jimndenver: so great to hear jazz again on WFMU. great job scott!
	10:36am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Toronto has a "world class" jazz station but I gave up listening to it because there is SO MUCH shitty jazz out there. It got really annoying, yuk. FMU consistently plays far far better jazz.
	10:41am coelacanth∅: i'll be listening in the car for a while Scott THANKS! tchau
	10:48am northguineahills: The NPR station's jazz show here is usually 90% smooth jazz crap, but occasionally they'll play Coltrane or Pharoah....
	10:55am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @NGH-it's like country music. There is some good stuff out there, but you must seek it out. Its like fusion...most of it is crap.
	10:57am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I THOUGHT this was 75 Dollar Bill!
	10:58am duke: Great stuff today Scott
	11:00am Chris from DC: Just saw Che Chen with David Watson this summer, amazing show.
	11:04am Ken From Hyde Park: File this one to Joe McGasko's Surface Noise program, I guess.
	11:05am northguineahills: My car plays 20+ year old cdrs usually perfectly.
	11:05am Scott McDowell: Haha! totally
	11:06am Rocky Horror: The is what happens when you DON'T take care of your CDs
	11:08am Scott McDowell: No stopping DISK ROT it comes for all of us. : )
	11:10am Rich in Washington: I wished i had of named my late 80s band DISK ROT. It would've been really prophetic.
	11:12am Rich in Washington: I have a few really early CD purchases that are now starting to become unplayable. And I take really, really good care of my CDs. A couple of them are early Shimmy Disc CD releases. Hmmm...
	11:14am Scott McDowell: CD-Rs man, CDs generally OK.
	11:14am crateslinger: Strange that the degradation is audible like that instead of being just a general depletion in digital data leading to a collapse in functionality. After all it is not a mechanical thing, like a tape or an lp.
	11:15am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: All my CDs are stored vertically. Some skip. I was told in the 80's they would "last forever". Guess not!
	11:15am Scott McDowell: DISK ROT is REAL
	11:15am Dean: PDO, a British CD manufacturer, produced a huge number of CDs during the late '80s to early '90s that gradually burned to toast. They remedied the situation in two ways. First, they adjusted their production specs to avoid the issue. Second, they replaced free of charge any affected CDs. I must have replaced about fifty of them through the '90s.
	11:16am crateslinger: of course I don't know how anything works, so whatever.
	11:16am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @Dean-are they still honoring that deal??
	11:18am Dean: Good question, @WildNeil. If you can find PDO (if they still exist), it's worth a try. But you'll have to identify them as the manufacturer of the disks. I was buying heavily in a number of classical labels for whom they produced disks (Hyperion, Pearl, ASV, etc.), so it was relatively easy to find the bronzing items.
	11:19am Dean: Usually, "PDO" appeared on the inner ring, what in vinyl parlance we'd call the "run out."
	11:20am Dan Bodah: Loved that East of the Valley Blues piece Scott
	11:24am mjgoins: This low song is the best
	11:24am Chris from DC: Really need to hear more of that Olson/Case/Hardiman.
	11:27am Listener Gregory: I am finding some CDs that will not play in my player but can be read by my computer. Presumably, they are in the process of degrading, and I have to digitize them ASAP.
	11:28am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Like a dummy, I gave away 350 albums in 1994. Duh! Because they "were hard to move from apartment to apartment". Boy, I am the KING of bad decisions!
	11:28am Ed Zeppole: I saw Low last week at two of their shows @ National Sawdust and as usual, they were phenominal. The new tunes had a more minimal feel live and they played a number of great tunes from the past. National Sawdust is an amazing venue by the way.
	11:31am βrian: Thanks for the excellent show, Scott. Gotta run.
	11:33am Carmichael: Heya Scott and folks. Finally, a plain white homepage! I can't look at some of the others (hear that, Warwick?).
	11:33am Rich in Washington: @Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Don't feel bad. I've done that both with large chunks of both my CD and record collection at a couple of points in my life. I sometimes agonize over how many records I would have now if not for the two or three purges I've done.
	11:33am crateslinger: If you type in some computer code wrong by one character, you don't get a program that just runs sorta - you get nothing. It simply doesn't work. Well sometimes it runs glitchy, but mostly it just fails altogether. So if a digital compact disk format is deteriorating, some of the data is gone - whether audio or some other type of data. How does that fail to translate as a broken sequence. Anybody?
	11:34am Listener Gregory: I am right now digitizing my favorite CD-R: Larks They Crazy, by Robin Holcomb, based on this scary conversation.
	11:35am Rich in Washington: I think the last time I did it in around 2003/4 was 'I can find ANYTHING on the web! Who needs CDs?'. And local used stores still had a really good exchange rate for CDs.
	11:35am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: @Crateslinger-well, they run in parallel, not serially so it gracefully degrades! Just kidding, no idea whatsofing ever.
	11:35am crateslinger: A deteriorated CD should not play at all. There's a lot of smart people in here. Somebody should be able to explain this to a dumbie like me. Or are we all artists?
	11:36am crateslinger: You had me for a second Neil... parallel. Good one!
	11:36am Listener Gregory: @crateslinger, I think CD players have different error correction procedures.
	11:37am Rich in Washington: I don't know why but I have found that is the case, that a CD that won't play on a CD player can often be read by a computer's optical drive. I have backed up many a questionable CD/CDR that way. I too would like to know why, though.
	11:37am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Updating ISO documents. "Get all excited and going to a yawn festival!" -Steve Martin, "A Wild and Funny Guy".
	11:37am mjgoins: I thought when a CD degrades, it just doesn't play sound at all, though?
	11:37am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Mine skip like a MF. Some tracks still work.
	11:37am crateslinger: Lis Greg - but if the data is simply not there... the player makes it up? Like a session man.
	11:38am steveo: this is monk, right?
	11:39am hendrix wolfbat: Are you sure we'll be able to turn on the lights if Facebook is gone?
	11:39am Barney Grubbs: More likely the coating degrades and scatters the laser that is reading the data, so the data are still there but the read-out is being interfered with to various degrees depending on the local degradation level?
	11:39am mjgoins: CDs are purely digital with respect to how they store information. They store a literal series of ones and zeroes, using a special encoding that contains error correction. That stream of data then is translated into another stream of ones and zeros that make up bytes or words, which I think are 16 bits long, representing sound samples at 44.1khz So if the "outer" digital encoding degrades, the error correction should just fail, and the bad samples should just get skipped.
	11:39am hendrix wolfbat: Ie: no Facebook? No electricity
	11:40am Rich in Washington: I understand that the plastic component of CDs can be the unstable element. I used to work in plastics and there are all kinds of things that can go wrong in their formulation to make plastics start to degrade. I guess. I don't know. I DO know that one of my aforementioned Shimmy releases has what looks like holes in the foil component. I have no idea how that can happen. The plastic is otherwise unmarked.
	11:40am crateslinger: it would be funny if some of the missing music was replaced by the player. They could take things in different directions. We could be like, "Whoa man, that was deep." Really old cd's would just be free jazz improv different everyday.
	11:40am Listener Gregory: The data don't all disappear at once. It's a continuous process, like fading a book cover in the sun. When it starts, some readers might be lost, but others can fill in the few missing points. NB: All CDs have some missing data, because manufacturing is not prefect.
	11:40am Scott McDowell: Yes
	11:41am mjgoins: I suppose if the CD player is doing its best to play each valid sample, but skips each bad sample, in real time, you would get white noise playing over your music.
	11:41am Listener Gregory: I have a Peter Brotzmann CD that looks like it has fungus, but it's not on the surface. I've lost about half of the music. Total bummer.
	11:42am crateslinger: This is a future genre. Multiple depleted cd's playing at once. Preferable with accompanied by a laser light show in the planetarium.
	11:42am Listener Gregory: @mjgoins, For short intervals the player might guess what sound should be there, which is often somewhat predictable.
	11:42am Scott McDowell: @hendrix wolfbat, yes to no electricity! poof gone. : )
	11:43am crateslinger: I haven't played a cd or cdr in ten years. I should dig them out and see what kind of historical documents I have created.
	11:44am crateslinger: Never took them seriously.
	11:44am Listener Gregory: To be clear, I do not actually know what I am talking about.
	11:44am hendrix wolfbat: @Scott Mcdowell well no electricity would also mean no WFMU, which would leave an enormous grand canyon sized hole in my life at this point.
	11:44am destructo: nothing to do but hire an army of people to rip all my CDs and etch the ones and zeroes into stone tablets, to be buried with me in my sarcophagus
	11:47am Joel St. Germain: Perfect weekday morning show for me. Awesome having you back on the air, Scott.
	11:47am steveo: @hendrx we could all move to jersey city and gather around as djs played records with hand crank victrolas
	11:49am crateslinger: I remember when WFMU was one of the only reasons I had to remain in NYC. Can somebody remind me why I'm still here?
	11:50am steveo: it's where the crates need slinging?
	11:51am crateslinger: haha. Yeah I guess so.
	11:52am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Let's all get real sentimental about CDs like we did about albums in the 90's. Except albums might actually last longer! NOW I see why the national archives store music on 78's! @Crateslinger-you are there because you can find almost any art form or music you want. Certainly NOT because it's a bargain!
	11:52am northguineahills: @crateslinger: I left NYC, and I'm listening to WFMU....
	11:53am northguineahills: I had someone last night like my WFMU shirt. She then downloaded the app....
	11:54am crateslinger: Neill I'm in bed by 8:30 every night. NGH - exactly my point...
	11:54am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I LIKE owning 0.49 acres of lawn I have to mow every thursday when its warm enough for grass to grow. It is my tiny kingdom of malfunctioning plumbing, electrical, roofing and windows and doors. It's the most valuable thing I don't own yet.
	11:56am hendrix wolfbat: @Steveo ok sounds good. I'll bring the marshmallows...lol.
	11:57am crateslinger: Five years ago, when I moved out of my apartment of 18 years, the last thing I removed was a wire antenna strung around the place, painted over like four times, that I had to install when I first moved in so I could pick up WFMU. It's actually hard to get the terrestrial signal in Brooklyn unless you're in a car. Manhattan is a huge pile of RF interference between me and my beloved.
	11:58am northguineahills: Thanks Scott, awesome vibes!
	11:58am crateslinger: This is an awesome show by the way. I gotta go build some boxes. Thanks Scott!
	11:58am northguineahills: @crateslinger: I was streaming WFMU in the 90s before I moved to NYC.
	11:59am crateslinger: NGH - I started streaming then too but before that it was a struggle. Bye Scott!
	12:00pm doncaballero: Thanks Scott! Great show.
	12:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: As long as "Hipnosis" doesn't succumb to disk rot, we're going to be OK.

The Long Rally with Scott McDowell: Playlist from September 26, 2018

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