WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from October 29, 2018

Listener comments!
	9:03pm Sam Segal: Laying the foundation tonight with the bedrock of my musical life. Forgive me if the Doors are passé.
	9:03pm chresti: Hallo!
	9:04pm Sam Segal: Chresti! Thanks for dropping in. You like the Doors?
	9:04pm Sam Segal: "The Monk bought lunch," folks!
	9:05pm chresti: My boyfriend cranked it up! I like some Doors
	9:05pm TDK60: Boo! Sam. No worries from me. I like The Doors, haven't heard this one in ages. I'll be here to do defense blocking for any rabid anti-Doorsists.
	9:06pm chresti: Thanks monk!
	9:06pm Sam Segal: Glad to be among the Doors receptive! Great to see ya, TDK!
	9:08pm northguineahills: leaving work, in 5, hear ya at the end, today has been mierde. (haven't had a pint in 6 days) (had a crappy work beer thursday).
	9:08pm TDK60: I saw 'em once. / It's not the Doors' fault -- it was classic ROCK radio that overplayed them over decades, like Led Zep.
	9:09pm chresti: I'm not familiar with The Soft Parade, which makes it an extra treat
	9:09pm Sam Segal: So true! I saw "The Doors of the 21st Century," featuring Robby Krieger, Ray Manzarek, someone not John Densmore on drums, and Ian Astbury from the Cult fronting the group.
	9:14pm Sam Segal: Ian Underwood on saxophone here.
	9:16pm Franco Twinkie: I saw The Doors opening for Frank Zappa at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972. I't was their last show. Jim was already dead, but Ray said "I know you're out their Jimbo!" We really cracked up. Half the audience looked like Jim Morrison.
	9:16pm chresti: I was hearing shades of Zappa in the Doors track!
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Fucking hell, Twinkie...you've got my live Doors experience beat, that's for sure.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Don "Sugarcane" Harris on the violin.
	9:20pm TDK60: This Zappa jam is still hot / Saw The Doors 50 years ago, Hunter College auditorium; straight ahead disciplined concert with no Jim antics. They had material from their first three albums to choose from.
	9:24pm Franco Twinkie: Lot's of Frank's later rock stuff with the changeable bands I don't care for, but back in the day he was a monster!
	9:25pm Sam Segal: Yeah it doesn't get much rawer than this for Frank
	9:30pm TDK60: Hot Billy Cobham; saw him once and it was like this: yikes! -similar to his work with Mahavishnu Orch.
	9:32pm TDK60: Uh-oh...
	9:32pm Sam Segal: Nothing but hotness in this first set, TDK.
	9:33pm TDK60: I noticed!
	9:36pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam and saddle tramps boy i really want that stingray
	9:37pm Sam Segal: Now, forgive me, Coel, is the Stingray the bike or the car?
	9:40pm coelacanth∅: heh the bike is a stingray; but i'd take the car too or instead. (chevy bel air c.'56)
	9:41pm tigeroe: Eminem is incredible and doesn’t get the attention he deserves.
	9:42pm coelacanth∅: i love the doors...the doors that i love. i absolutely can't stand the soft parade album! only 1 good song on it, "wild child".
	9:43pm Franco Twinkie: Chresti and I were remembering how much super fast fusion jazz rock was was ruling the roost in the early to mid seventies. Then punk happened, which was fun and exiting, but all of a sudden certain people were taking a Pol Pot back to year zero attitude, and trying to pretend all this music never happened. It was weird times for sure.
	9:45pm chresti: I always say moooooog
	9:46pm Franco Twinkie: Weider than Lowell George playing on Hot Rats, he supposedly played flute on a Frank Sinatra session!
	9:46pm tigeroe: I love this too! Great tunes tonight.
	9:47pm Sam Segal: Thanks, Tigeroe! I really do respect your thoughts on Eminem! I gotta cool it with the "Kill Yr Idols" attitude!
	9:48pm Sam Segal: Holy shit, Twinkie, that's gotta be the best factoid I've heard in awhile.
	9:50pm coelacanth∅: "moge" (like rogue) is correct.
	9:52pm Dean: I kinda have this feeling that the punk-was-a-reaction-to-prog (fusion, etc.) was made up by, naturally, stupid media people. I remember mid- to late-'70s hanging with people into the Dolls, Iggy, Ramones, and Yes, Pink Floyd, Le Orme, Guru Guru...
	9:54pm Dean: OTOH, punk was definitely a reaction to Styx.
	9:56pm TDK60: I was listening to Commander Cody round the same time as Weather Report. etc.
	9:56pm chresti: I remember being at the masque where there would be these attacks on anyone with long hair
	9:58pm Dean: @chresti: Really? I was at the Masque quite a bit. I don't recall anything of the sort. One of the qualities of the LA punk scene, to my mind, was its inclusiveness (which might simply have been a function of its I-dont'-give-a-shit-ness).
	9:58pm Franco Twinkie: Sam, who knows. But I will say this; having seen Lowell many times, he was so versatile, I wouldn't be surprised if he could play bongo drums standing on his head while eating a cheeseburger.
	9:58pm chresti: There would be shouts of “Cut his hair!”
	9:59pm chresti: This is GREAT
	9:59pm Dean: Yeah, but serious? What I remember are the ubiquitous references to "Jerry." Who the fuck was Jerry?
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: for me punk was just something with passion at a time when all my favorite bands had run out of it. i still, alongside punk, liked what i liked before.
	10:02pm TDK60: I was a longhair but also later got into punk/ noowave/ postpunk/ etc. But I still liked older stuff.
	10:02pm coelacanth∅: i rebelled by NOT cutting my hair.
	10:02pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, It all depends on what group you happened to be in the orbit of. Some were smart and funny, others self important talentless creeps.
	10:05pm Dean: Much like America, Franco. Right, coelacanth, I felt no significant pressure to get in line, but for me that was because I didn't sense a strong prescription to do so. My group was Flipside, for whom I worked during the early days. Al, X-8, Pooch, etc., those guys were great.
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: i was in a punk band and i thought the 2 guitarists, who had both grown their hair very long after meeting already long-haired me 2 years earlier, were pathetically conformist to get crew cuts as they did.
	10:08pm TDK60: I remember when '80s Calif. hardcore punk bands like Black Flag or M.D.C. grew their hair just to mess with a perceived punk conformity in hair/dress.
	10:09pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, the Jerry reference was to Jerry Lewis. It started with Geza X using Jerry Lewis as a standard of self debasement. If you could act like Jerry in public, you passed the test.
	10:10pm Dean: That's marvelous, Franco. So many references on the Masque walls to Jerry. I'm assuming we passed the test, because the first time we played there Brendan introduced as "the ultimate in embarrassment rock."
	10:11pm TDK60: But it was also musical. The Minutemen took shit for not sounding "punk." They replied: it is our punk.
	10:11pm Franco Twinkie: You passed.
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: TDK right, and long before that (in the context of punk) ramones had long hair, and their music sounded like raw beach boys music. only their irreverent image and silly lyrics made them "punk".
	10:17pm Dean: My experience of the punk scene in LA focuses (almost exclusively) on those couple of years in the late '70s, so I can understand why The Minutemen might have been criticized for riding the wave. Punk was a scene, not so much a genre (hence The Screamers, who are not easy to assign to a category at all, or The Quick, who happened to emerge at the same time). For me, punk was those two or three short years, nothing more.
	10:19pm Dean: I say "almost exclusively" because, goddamn, Claw Hammer were amazing and would have fit perfectly into LA punk.
	10:21pm coelacanth∅: in nj, at least, there was a wealth of punk bands - and a scene- for a few years into the 80s, even after all the famous punk bands had turned to shit, died or disbanded.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (mostly turned to shit)
	10:23pm Franco Twinkie: For me, the best year in punk was 1977 because a lot of people were still trying to figure out what it was, musically and other wise. Backwards pants? Why not! Raw liver taped to your head? Front of the line mister!
	10:24pm chresti: The punk hair style concern was brief, like in early 77
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i only tuned in to punk around the winter of 1978, and i might consider that my favorite year for "punk &/or new wave" music; though some great punk music goes back several years before that.
	10:34pm Dean: Spring '76 for me. Heard about the Pistols, went to London later that year. I was hooked.
	10:38pm Franco Twinkie: When I saw The Patti Smith Group in early '76 it was a wake up call that something was up. But I had no idea that I was just seeing the storm front moving in.
	10:42pm chresti: Yeah I think the time I’m thinking of was later 77
	10:51pm chresti: Dean@7:17- agree
	10:55pm Carmichael: Heya Sam and equestrians.
	10:56pm Sam Segal: Carmichael, nice to see ye!
	10:58pm Carmichael: Didn’t know this was a Doors referendum. They had their time and place.
	10:59pm northguineahills: Finally made it back!
	10:59pm coelacanth∅: 1976 i was bored with most of what i heard on the radio - if not annoyed by! and though i went to parties and hung with many different factions of peers of my jr.high school (as it was called then) i didn't know anybody who wasn't into mostly shitty music.
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: hey Carm
	11:00pm Sam Segal: Hey, NGH! Nice to have ya back.
	11:00pm northguineahills: Read that Charlie Haden recorded w/ the Minutemen while I was out....
	11:00pm Carmichael: Heya coel.
	11:01pm northguineahills: (1986)
	11:03pm still b/p: I will tell my sad Patti Smith tale again around this fire....or hay bale. Symphony Hall, Boston, 1976. Sparks opened, and after their set, Patti was barely a couple songs into hers when a member of our party, having a bad night with his girlfriend, prevailed upon us in his ill temper to LEAVE! Walked out...and into decades of regret. Saw her again briefly at Boston First Night a few years ago. Meh.
	11:05pm Sam Segal: A crushing yarn, SBP!
	11:06pm Carmichael: Friends are overrated ...
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: winter 1977. i discovered wfmu, and late '77 i started hanging with grateful dead/yes people. time to open up! then early '78 met an older friend who turned me onto Eno, reggae, and Bruford era 'crimson. nothing was the same again.
	11:07pm coelacanth∅: that's sad sb/p.
	11:08pm coelacanth∅: (reggae...more specifically black uhuru and burning spear. i already liked Peter Tosh)
	11:08pm chresti: I’ve seen sparks once or twice, missed patti Smith- I was living in Santa Maria when she played in LA the first time
	11:09pm still b/p: I must...discuss that night with that friend and put the matter to rest. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:09pm chresti: Very enjoyable set , Sam
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Coel, I didn't realize you were so young! I can see why punk was so important to you. My feeling at the time was 'I don't care if this turns out to be the biggest bunch of nothing. It looks like fun and I want some!' Of course it wasn't nothing,and ultimately was a pivotal point in pop music.
	11:10pm Dean: Roommate of mine auditioned with Sparks. Didn't get the gig, but still.
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: i saw Patti Smith at the first (? -1997) guinness fleadh and she was awesome! as many artist did, she played some irish jig kind of stuff; and she of course had some words of wisdom to share.
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: Franco i don't feel so young, physically! (and i don't think i'm much younger than thee...maybe i'm mistaken)
	11:13pm northguineahills: I have a twitter account, but I don't post or follow anyone, but I'll find you when I feel going on twitter.
	11:15pm northguineahills: Is Sam the only one more youthier then I here? (It makes me radiant).
	11:15pm chresti: I have not yet fully engaged with twitter- I have signed up though...
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: you and Sam are the yunguns, ngh!
	11:18pm Franco Twinkie: In that vein, Dean, One day at work my friend was in a sour mood. I asked him what was wrong. With down cast eyes he told me the night before he got the call...TO JOIN CRAZY HORSE. He couldn't - family responsibilities. Needless to say, soon after he got divorced.
	11:18pm Sam Segal: As a youngun, I must say, I have really enjoyed tonight's oral history of punk.
	11:18pm chresti: I turned 20 in 77-so maybe an eight to ten year difference
	11:19pm Sam Segal: Here is a link to the show's new Twitter account: twitter.com...
	11:20pm Sam Segal: Subscribe to email updates from Give the Drummer Radio right over here: tinyletter.com...
	11:22pm chresti: I was exposed to punk mostly due to friends that were starting/playing in bands (in LA) then
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Wow, folks, I've just been alerted that "If You Lose Your Horse" received a really generous pledge from Yukio in Washington. Thank you, Yukio! Only $70 left and I'm at my goal for the October Fundraiser.
	11:23pm still b/p: I left the Boston area in '77 for smaller cities -- and more musically limited media markets -- in midwest and then Texas for school and then work, and missed most of punk shortly after it had started rising. Home again just for summer of 78, I did catch a couple acts and put some Pistols on a mix tape. A couple high school students thought I was younger than what I reported and said they "couldn't believe" my actual age recently. And, yes, it pushed a li'l button of ego, though how good are teenagers at accurate adult age estimates anyway?
	11:26pm northguineahills: (sam is much younger then I)
	11:26pm Dean: My personal "If only..." story: After one of my bands played the Masque on Santa Monica Blvd., I got a call from either Marc or Stan from Wall of Voodoo. He asked us to open for them at Hong Kong Cafe (or maybe Madame Wong's?). We said yes, but broke up that week. Oh, well.
	11:27pm coelacanth∅: i had a radical friend who used to rant to the annoyance of many while we listened to old Dylan and doors and Phil Ochs and 'airplane (etc) then in the beginning of 10th grade he moved to branchberg - a very racist, anti-progressive nj town. a few months later he came back to visit - a full-on punk! turned me on to the clash and stiff little fingers and buzzcocks and i don't remember who else but he left the clash album with me.
	11:27pm chresti: Yay !
	11:28pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, what was your bands name? I'm going to ask Stan if he remembers. We see him alot.
	11:29pm Carmichael: Dean used to rock!
	11:30pm Dean: We were Sound of M, Flipside's first record (though they don't proudly claim us). We'd opened for Levi & the Rockcats at the second Masque.
	11:30pm northguineahills: I have Dylan on the queue in the car. punk, outside of pre-pere ubu bands in Ohio, art punk, I didn't really get into it. That said, in the late 90s-2000s, through my soccer team's bands, I got into hardcore (Thurston and John Zorn also helped).
	11:30pm chresti: I remember seeing them hang out at the fairfax farmers market (sparks)
	11:30pm Franco Twinkie: Okay then!
	11:31pm northguineahills: Looks on shelf, and sniffles at the sight of the Phil Ochs biography
	11:33pm coelacanth∅: yes ngh. sad.
	11:34pm chresti: Coelacanthø- id say if you’re cutting down trees- you’re in pretty good shape!
	11:34pm northguineahills: (as a younger, only hardcore clubs would allow my noise/dada groups play). Then I moved to Brooklyn....
	11:34pm coelacanth∅: i wonder which, if any, of my old friends still explore new music.
	11:34pm northguineahills: errr, youngster....
	11:36pm northguineahills: Most of my old NYC band members were way older then I, and they still explore new music. I text them weekly.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: chresti, i ignore a lot of pain; but WAH WAH WAH! i'm in good shape for my age. still have long hair too. no bald spot yet.
	11:36pm Dean: Here's the flyer, Franco: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33135085@N02/28433475315
	11:38pm northguineahills: I once got shouted down for dj'ing Och's "Here's to the State of MS" when I was 25, as the owner was from MS. (he still invited me back)
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: have we really heard 13 Laura Can songs? Sam you must be in luv.
	11:39pm coelacanth∅: funny!
	11:40pm northguineahills: My problem, is, I don't acknowledge pain or discomfort. Probably why my infection and illness got so serious before I realized it.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: Hahahaha, accidentally held down the enter button too long and we ended up with far too many Laura Can...nell songs on the playlist.
	11:40pm chresti: Dean! Wow! What did you play?
	11:40pm coelacanth∅: i like his alternate version "here's to the state of richard nixon"
	11:42pm Dean: I "played" (rather, attempted same) bass (or low end of the guitar) in that band. Here's our record: https://www.discogs.com/M-Espionage-Baby/release/9862168 That's me, second from right.
	11:42pm chresti: I only went to the old Masque and the benefit at the elks lodge-
	11:42pm Dean: I went to the benefit, too.
	11:42pm northguineahills: oh, and nice flyer, Dean. ohhh, new image!
	11:43pm coelacanth∅: Dean i thought sound of m was on soundcloud...(i thought i bookmarked it too but i can't find it. i might've renamed it "Dean" or something)
	11:43pm Dean: Thanks, ngh. Not my design, I'm afraid. They just sorta showed up, and I grabbed one, filed it away...somewhere.
	11:45pm Dean: Not to my knowledge, coel, but it's possible somebody posted it there. Alex Ferguson of ATV was supposed to join us the morning we recorded in my parents' garage, but it was raining and he didn't know us and...who knows.
	11:46pm chresti: Which one? I wasn’t at the one that broke out in a riot- or we left early- black randy and the metro squad and.,.,aw I can’t remember who else played that night
	11:48pm Dean: The one with Dils, Bags, Zeros? Does that sound right? If you have Brendan's book about the Masque, my earlier band is in it (Twits) and I appear on the page with the contact sheet of portrait shots. I'm the guy with Flipside stickers on his face.
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: such a sad one. i can't imagine.
	11:50pm Franco Twinkie: Dean too many numbers! I'll look later.
	11:50pm Sam Segal: Saw Nick Cave at Barclay's on Friday. They fucking blew me away, and I wasn't even that big of a fan before the show.
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, right now we're going down memory lane. People, bands, situations. Lots of funny and questionable behavior.
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: wow, cool Sam. never seen him. i love a lot of his work, and am pretty bored by much of his music too! all in all i love him.
	11:55pm chresti: Wow! I haven’t seen Brendan’s book Did you know the Eyes?
	11:56pm northguineahills: Thanks Sam and friends, gotta water the garden before I slumber. (entering the dry season down in here parts).
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: i still have to eat dinner. my sleep cycles are totally off kilter. see ya ngh
	11:57pm Dean: Yes, nostalgia is strong. But I did appreciate the vibe, independent of the music, in a way that informs my experience of history. It was a special time. I didn't know The Eyes, but I saw them a couple times at the Masque. They were spectacular, in my opinion far superior to the bands they spawned, X and Go-Go's. (We called our band M, because X is such a cheesy name for a band. To my mind, X portended the decline of LA punk.)
	11:58pm Sam Segal: Peace and love, @NGH!
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: the X from australia is pretty good though, despite possible cheesy name.
	11:59pm chresti: Ha ha dean! M in response to X
	12:00am Dean: I like the X (Ex?) from Australia!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: i never heard the eyes but i think the go-go's first album is respectable.
	12:01am Franco Twinkie: X, like The Doors before them, make peoples blood boil. Love 'um or hate'um, they cast a long shadow.
	12:01am chresti: Thanks for such a nice program Sam! Goodnight !
	12:01am Dean: Yeah, chresti, they were eXtreme, while we were Mediocre.
	12:01am Dean: Alas, Franco, same goes for The Osmonds.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: there's an "ex" i don't know where they're from; and there is or was an "x" from australia. active in the 90s, at least.
	12:02am northguineahills: The Ex are from the Netherlands, the X are from Oz...
	12:02am chresti: Dean everyone was picking up instruments and practicing/learning to play except Charlotte - she studied music
	12:03am Dean: Ah, right, ngh. I was thinking of the Dutch band.
	12:03am Franco Twinkie: Thanks Sam! Now I can go to the store.
	12:03am coelacanth∅: i cant stand la's x's female vocals. some of the music is okay, but it's ruined by her terrible singing and their terrible harmonies.
	12:04am Dean: Charlotte definitely knew what she was doing. (She, too, appears in that contact sheet spread in Brendan's book, as does Belinda.)
	12:05am Carmichael: Thanks, Sam.
	12:05am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! glad you almost made you show goal. take care y'all

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
The Doors	The Soft Parade "The Soft Parade" by "The Doors"	The Soft Parade	Elektra
Frank Zappa	The Gumbo Variations "The Gumbo Variations" by "Frank Zappa"	Hot Rats	Bizarre/Reprise	0:10:33 (Pop-up)
Billy Cobham	Quadrant 4 "Quadrant 4" by "Billy Cobham"	Spectrum	Atlantic	0:28:15 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis	John McLaughlin (Alternate Take)	Bitches Brew 40th Anniversary Edition	Sony Legacy	0:31:55 (Pop-up)

Etubom Rex Williams & His Nigerian Artistes	Ama Mbre Ewa	Ubok Aka Inua	Philips	0:46:35 (Pop-up)
Ernest Ranglin	Mix Master "Mix Master" by "Ernest Ranglin"	Sounds and Power	Studio One	0:53:41 (Pop-up)
Penya	Search It Out (Dengue Dengue Dengue Remix)	Super Liminal Remixed	On The Corner	0:54:28 (Pop-up)
Doctor Stereo	La Cumbia Perdida (Original Mix)	La Cumbia Perdida	Names You Can Trust	0:58:50 (Pop-up)
Eris Drew	Hold Me (T4T Embrace Mix)	Devotion EP	Naive	1:02:51 (Pop-up)
Supreems	Close Your Eyes (and Feel)	Close Your Eyes (and Feel)	Lobster Theremin	1:08:06 (Pop-up)
Octo Octa	Beam Me Up (To the Goddess Mix)	Devotion EP	Naive	1:12:30 (Pop-up)
Mick Jenkins	Padded Locks (ft. Ghostface Killah)	Pieces of a Man	Self-Released	1:19:11 (Pop-up)

DJ Richard	Tunnel Stalker "Tunnel Stalker" by "DJ Richard"	Dies Irae Xerox	Dial	1:32:47 (Pop-up)
Astrid Sonne	A Modular Body "A Modular Body" by "Astrid Sonne"	Human Lines	Escho	1:35:39 (Pop-up)
Exael	Choeo3 "Choeo3" by "Exael"	Collex	West Mineral	1:41:31 (Pop-up)
Demdike Stare	At It Again "At It Again" by "Demdike Stare"	Passion	Modern Love	1:44:51 (Pop-up)
Kareem Lofty	Chromosome "Chromosome" by "Kareem Lofty"	QTT10	Quiet Time Tapes	1:52:08 (Pop-up)
Robbie Lee & Mary Halvorson	Early Willows	Seed Triangular	New Amsterdam	1:55:55 (Pop-up)
Kent Carter & Albrecht Maurer	Nuts in Vienna	The Juillaguet Collection	Emanem	1:59:50 (Pop-up)

Paul Motian Trio	Le Voyage "Le Voyage" by "Paul Motian Trio"	Le Voyage	ECM	2:17:19 (Pop-up)
Julia Holter	Everyday is An Emergency	Aviary	Domino	2:26:02 (Pop-up)
Laura Cannell & André Bosman	Golden Lanes at Dusk	Reckonings	Brawl	2:38:00 (Pop-up)
Heather Leigh	Days Without You "Days Without You" by "Heather Leigh"	Throne	Editions Mego	2:38:13 (Pop-up)
Arve Henriksen, Eivind Aarset, Jan Bang	The Sawns Bend Their Necks Backwards	The Heights of The Reeds	Rune Grammofon	2:47:01 (Pop-up)
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds	I Need You	Skeleton Tree	Bad Seed Ltd.	2:45:55 (Pop-up)
United Bible Studies	Ten Thousand Miles	The Ale's What Cures Ye: Traditional Songs From The British Isles. Vol. 1	MIE	2:51:11 (Pop-up)
The Velvet Underground	I Found a Reason (Demo)	Loaded: Re-Loaded 45th Anniversary Edition	Atlantic	2:57:26 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:03pm Sam Segal: Laying the foundation tonight with the bedrock of my musical life. Forgive me if the Doors are passé.
	9:03pm chresti: Hallo!
	9:04pm Sam Segal: Chresti! Thanks for dropping in. You like the Doors?
	9:04pm Sam Segal: "The Monk bought lunch," folks!
	9:05pm chresti: My boyfriend cranked it up! I like some Doors
	9:05pm TDK60: Boo! Sam. No worries from me. I like The Doors, haven't heard this one in ages. I'll be here to do defense blocking for any rabid anti-Doorsists.
	9:06pm chresti: Thanks monk!
	9:06pm Sam Segal: Glad to be among the Doors receptive! Great to see ya, TDK!
	9:08pm northguineahills: leaving work, in 5, hear ya at the end, today has been mierde. (haven't had a pint in 6 days) (had a crappy work beer thursday).
	9:08pm TDK60: I saw 'em once. / It's not the Doors' fault -- it was classic ROCK radio that overplayed them over decades, like Led Zep.
	9:09pm chresti: I'm not familiar with The Soft Parade, which makes it an extra treat
	9:09pm Sam Segal: So true! I saw "The Doors of the 21st Century," featuring Robby Krieger, Ray Manzarek, someone not John Densmore on drums, and Ian Astbury from the Cult fronting the group.
	9:14pm Sam Segal: Ian Underwood on saxophone here.
	9:16pm Franco Twinkie: I saw The Doors opening for Frank Zappa at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972. I't was their last show. Jim was already dead, but Ray said "I know you're out their Jimbo!" We really cracked up. Half the audience looked like Jim Morrison.
	9:16pm chresti: I was hearing shades of Zappa in the Doors track!
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Fucking hell, Twinkie...you've got my live Doors experience beat, that's for sure.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Don "Sugarcane" Harris on the violin.
	9:20pm TDK60: This Zappa jam is still hot / Saw The Doors 50 years ago, Hunter College auditorium; straight ahead disciplined concert with no Jim antics. They had material from their first three albums to choose from.
	9:24pm Franco Twinkie: Lot's of Frank's later rock stuff with the changeable bands I don't care for, but back in the day he was a monster!
	9:25pm Sam Segal: Yeah it doesn't get much rawer than this for Frank
	9:30pm TDK60: Hot Billy Cobham; saw him once and it was like this: yikes! -similar to his work with Mahavishnu Orch.
	9:32pm TDK60: Uh-oh...
	9:32pm Sam Segal: Nothing but hotness in this first set, TDK.
	9:33pm TDK60: I noticed!
	9:36pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam and saddle tramps boy i really want that stingray
	9:37pm Sam Segal: Now, forgive me, Coel, is the Stingray the bike or the car?
	9:40pm coelacanth∅: heh the bike is a stingray; but i'd take the car too or instead. (chevy bel air c.'56)
	9:41pm tigeroe: Eminem is incredible and doesn’t get the attention he deserves.
	9:42pm coelacanth∅: i love the doors...the doors that i love. i absolutely can't stand the soft parade album! only 1 good song on it, "wild child".
	9:43pm Franco Twinkie: Chresti and I were remembering how much super fast fusion jazz rock was was ruling the roost in the early to mid seventies. Then punk happened, which was fun and exiting, but all of a sudden certain people were taking a Pol Pot back to year zero attitude, and trying to pretend all this music never happened. It was weird times for sure.
	9:45pm chresti: I always say moooooog
	9:46pm Franco Twinkie: Weider than Lowell George playing on Hot Rats, he supposedly played flute on a Frank Sinatra session!
	9:46pm tigeroe: I love this too! Great tunes tonight.
	9:47pm Sam Segal: Thanks, Tigeroe! I really do respect your thoughts on Eminem! I gotta cool it with the "Kill Yr Idols" attitude!
	9:48pm Sam Segal: Holy shit, Twinkie, that's gotta be the best factoid I've heard in awhile.
	9:50pm coelacanth∅: "moge" (like rogue) is correct.
	9:52pm Dean: I kinda have this feeling that the punk-was-a-reaction-to-prog (fusion, etc.) was made up by, naturally, stupid media people. I remember mid- to late-'70s hanging with people into the Dolls, Iggy, Ramones, and Yes, Pink Floyd, Le Orme, Guru Guru...
	9:54pm Dean: OTOH, punk was definitely a reaction to Styx.
	9:56pm TDK60: I was listening to Commander Cody round the same time as Weather Report. etc.
	9:56pm chresti: I remember being at the masque where there would be these attacks on anyone with long hair
	9:58pm Dean: @chresti: Really? I was at the Masque quite a bit. I don't recall anything of the sort. One of the qualities of the LA punk scene, to my mind, was its inclusiveness (which might simply have been a function of its I-dont'-give-a-shit-ness).
	9:58pm Franco Twinkie: Sam, who knows. But I will say this; having seen Lowell many times, he was so versatile, I wouldn't be surprised if he could play bongo drums standing on his head while eating a cheeseburger.
	9:58pm chresti: There would be shouts of “Cut his hair!”
	9:59pm chresti: This is GREAT
	9:59pm Dean: Yeah, but serious? What I remember are the ubiquitous references to "Jerry." Who the fuck was Jerry?
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: for me punk was just something with passion at a time when all my favorite bands had run out of it. i still, alongside punk, liked what i liked before.
	10:02pm TDK60: I was a longhair but also later got into punk/ noowave/ postpunk/ etc. But I still liked older stuff.
	10:02pm coelacanth∅: i rebelled by NOT cutting my hair.
	10:02pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, It all depends on what group you happened to be in the orbit of. Some were smart and funny, others self important talentless creeps.
	10:05pm Dean: Much like America, Franco. Right, coelacanth, I felt no significant pressure to get in line, but for me that was because I didn't sense a strong prescription to do so. My group was Flipside, for whom I worked during the early days. Al, X-8, Pooch, etc., those guys were great.
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: i was in a punk band and i thought the 2 guitarists, who had both grown their hair very long after meeting already long-haired me 2 years earlier, were pathetically conformist to get crew cuts as they did.
	10:08pm TDK60: I remember when '80s Calif. hardcore punk bands like Black Flag or M.D.C. grew their hair just to mess with a perceived punk conformity in hair/dress.
	10:09pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, the Jerry reference was to Jerry Lewis. It started with Geza X using Jerry Lewis as a standard of self debasement. If you could act like Jerry in public, you passed the test.
	10:10pm Dean: That's marvelous, Franco. So many references on the Masque walls to Jerry. I'm assuming we passed the test, because the first time we played there Brendan introduced as "the ultimate in embarrassment rock."
	10:11pm TDK60: But it was also musical. The Minutemen took shit for not sounding "punk." They replied: it is our punk.
	10:11pm Franco Twinkie: You passed.
	10:16pm coelacanth∅: TDK right, and long before that (in the context of punk) ramones had long hair, and their music sounded like raw beach boys music. only their irreverent image and silly lyrics made them "punk".
	10:17pm Dean: My experience of the punk scene in LA focuses (almost exclusively) on those couple of years in the late '70s, so I can understand why The Minutemen might have been criticized for riding the wave. Punk was a scene, not so much a genre (hence The Screamers, who are not easy to assign to a category at all, or The Quick, who happened to emerge at the same time). For me, punk was those two or three short years, nothing more.
	10:19pm Dean: I say "almost exclusively" because, goddamn, Claw Hammer were amazing and would have fit perfectly into LA punk.
	10:21pm coelacanth∅: in nj, at least, there was a wealth of punk bands - and a scene- for a few years into the 80s, even after all the famous punk bands had turned to shit, died or disbanded.
	10:22pm coelacanth∅: (mostly turned to shit)
	10:23pm Franco Twinkie: For me, the best year in punk was 1977 because a lot of people were still trying to figure out what it was, musically and other wise. Backwards pants? Why not! Raw liver taped to your head? Front of the line mister!
	10:24pm chresti: The punk hair style concern was brief, like in early 77
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i only tuned in to punk around the winter of 1978, and i might consider that my favorite year for "punk &/or new wave" music; though some great punk music goes back several years before that.
	10:34pm Dean: Spring '76 for me. Heard about the Pistols, went to London later that year. I was hooked.
	10:38pm Franco Twinkie: When I saw The Patti Smith Group in early '76 it was a wake up call that something was up. But I had no idea that I was just seeing the storm front moving in.
	10:42pm chresti: Yeah I think the time I’m thinking of was later 77
	10:51pm chresti: Dean@7:17- agree
	10:55pm Carmichael: Heya Sam and equestrians.
	10:56pm Sam Segal: Carmichael, nice to see ye!
	10:58pm Carmichael: Didn’t know this was a Doors referendum. They had their time and place.
	10:59pm northguineahills: Finally made it back!
	10:59pm coelacanth∅: 1976 i was bored with most of what i heard on the radio - if not annoyed by! and though i went to parties and hung with many different factions of peers of my jr.high school (as it was called then) i didn't know anybody who wasn't into mostly shitty music.
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: hey Carm
	11:00pm Sam Segal: Hey, NGH! Nice to have ya back.
	11:00pm northguineahills: Read that Charlie Haden recorded w/ the Minutemen while I was out....
	11:00pm Carmichael: Heya coel.
	11:01pm northguineahills: (1986)
	11:03pm still b/p: I will tell my sad Patti Smith tale again around this fire....or hay bale. Symphony Hall, Boston, 1976. Sparks opened, and after their set, Patti was barely a couple songs into hers when a member of our party, having a bad night with his girlfriend, prevailed upon us in his ill temper to LEAVE! Walked out...and into decades of regret. Saw her again briefly at Boston First Night a few years ago. Meh.
	11:05pm Sam Segal: A crushing yarn, SBP!
	11:06pm Carmichael: Friends are overrated ...
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: winter 1977. i discovered wfmu, and late '77 i started hanging with grateful dead/yes people. time to open up! then early '78 met an older friend who turned me onto Eno, reggae, and Bruford era 'crimson. nothing was the same again.
	11:07pm coelacanth∅: that's sad sb/p.
	11:08pm coelacanth∅: (reggae...more specifically black uhuru and burning spear. i already liked Peter Tosh)
	11:08pm chresti: I’ve seen sparks once or twice, missed patti Smith- I was living in Santa Maria when she played in LA the first time
	11:09pm still b/p: I must...discuss that night with that friend and put the matter to rest. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:09pm chresti: Very enjoyable set , Sam
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Coel, I didn't realize you were so young! I can see why punk was so important to you. My feeling at the time was 'I don't care if this turns out to be the biggest bunch of nothing. It looks like fun and I want some!' Of course it wasn't nothing,and ultimately was a pivotal point in pop music.
	11:10pm Dean: Roommate of mine auditioned with Sparks. Didn't get the gig, but still.
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: i saw Patti Smith at the first (? -1997) guinness fleadh and she was awesome! as many artist did, she played some irish jig kind of stuff; and she of course had some words of wisdom to share.
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: Franco i don't feel so young, physically! (and i don't think i'm much younger than thee...maybe i'm mistaken)
	11:13pm northguineahills: I have a twitter account, but I don't post or follow anyone, but I'll find you when I feel going on twitter.
	11:15pm northguineahills: Is Sam the only one more youthier then I here? (It makes me radiant).
	11:15pm chresti: I have not yet fully engaged with twitter- I have signed up though...
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: you and Sam are the yunguns, ngh!
	11:18pm Franco Twinkie: In that vein, Dean, One day at work my friend was in a sour mood. I asked him what was wrong. With down cast eyes he told me the night before he got the call...TO JOIN CRAZY HORSE. He couldn't - family responsibilities. Needless to say, soon after he got divorced.
	11:18pm Sam Segal: As a youngun, I must say, I have really enjoyed tonight's oral history of punk.
	11:18pm chresti: I turned 20 in 77-so maybe an eight to ten year difference
	11:19pm Sam Segal: Here is a link to the show's new Twitter account: twitter.com...
	11:20pm Sam Segal: Subscribe to email updates from Give the Drummer Radio right over here: tinyletter.com...
	11:22pm chresti: I was exposed to punk mostly due to friends that were starting/playing in bands (in LA) then
	11:22pm Sam Segal: Wow, folks, I've just been alerted that "If You Lose Your Horse" received a really generous pledge from Yukio in Washington. Thank you, Yukio! Only $70 left and I'm at my goal for the October Fundraiser.
	11:23pm still b/p: I left the Boston area in '77 for smaller cities -- and more musically limited media markets -- in midwest and then Texas for school and then work, and missed most of punk shortly after it had started rising. Home again just for summer of 78, I did catch a couple acts and put some Pistols on a mix tape. A couple high school students thought I was younger than what I reported and said they "couldn't believe" my actual age recently. And, yes, it pushed a li'l button of ego, though how good are teenagers at accurate adult age estimates anyway?
	11:26pm northguineahills: (sam is much younger then I)
	11:26pm Dean: My personal "If only..." story: After one of my bands played the Masque on Santa Monica Blvd., I got a call from either Marc or Stan from Wall of Voodoo. He asked us to open for them at Hong Kong Cafe (or maybe Madame Wong's?). We said yes, but broke up that week. Oh, well.
	11:27pm coelacanth∅: i had a radical friend who used to rant to the annoyance of many while we listened to old Dylan and doors and Phil Ochs and 'airplane (etc) then in the beginning of 10th grade he moved to branchberg - a very racist, anti-progressive nj town. a few months later he came back to visit - a full-on punk! turned me on to the clash and stiff little fingers and buzzcocks and i don't remember who else but he left the clash album with me.
	11:27pm chresti: Yay !
	11:28pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, what was your bands name? I'm going to ask Stan if he remembers. We see him alot.
	11:29pm Carmichael: Dean used to rock!
	11:30pm Dean: We were Sound of M, Flipside's first record (though they don't proudly claim us). We'd opened for Levi & the Rockcats at the second Masque.
	11:30pm northguineahills: I have Dylan on the queue in the car. punk, outside of pre-pere ubu bands in Ohio, art punk, I didn't really get into it. That said, in the late 90s-2000s, through my soccer team's bands, I got into hardcore (Thurston and John Zorn also helped).
	11:30pm chresti: I remember seeing them hang out at the fairfax farmers market (sparks)
	11:30pm Franco Twinkie: Okay then!
	11:31pm northguineahills: Looks on shelf, and sniffles at the sight of the Phil Ochs biography
	11:33pm coelacanth∅: yes ngh. sad.
	11:34pm chresti: Coelacanthø- id say if you’re cutting down trees- you’re in pretty good shape!
	11:34pm northguineahills: (as a younger, only hardcore clubs would allow my noise/dada groups play). Then I moved to Brooklyn....
	11:34pm coelacanth∅: i wonder which, if any, of my old friends still explore new music.
	11:34pm northguineahills: errr, youngster....
	11:36pm northguineahills: Most of my old NYC band members were way older then I, and they still explore new music. I text them weekly.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: chresti, i ignore a lot of pain; but WAH WAH WAH! i'm in good shape for my age. still have long hair too. no bald spot yet.
	11:36pm Dean: Here's the flyer, Franco: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33135085@N02/28433475315
	11:38pm northguineahills: I once got shouted down for dj'ing Och's "Here's to the State of MS" when I was 25, as the owner was from MS. (he still invited me back)
	11:38pm coelacanth∅: have we really heard 13 Laura Can songs? Sam you must be in luv.
	11:39pm coelacanth∅: funny!
	11:40pm northguineahills: My problem, is, I don't acknowledge pain or discomfort. Probably why my infection and illness got so serious before I realized it.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: Hahahaha, accidentally held down the enter button too long and we ended up with far too many Laura Can...nell songs on the playlist.
	11:40pm chresti: Dean! Wow! What did you play?
	11:40pm coelacanth∅: i like his alternate version "here's to the state of richard nixon"
	11:42pm Dean: I "played" (rather, attempted same) bass (or low end of the guitar) in that band. Here's our record: https://www.discogs.com/M-Espionage-Baby/release/9862168 That's me, second from right.
	11:42pm chresti: I only went to the old Masque and the benefit at the elks lodge-
	11:42pm Dean: I went to the benefit, too.
	11:42pm northguineahills: oh, and nice flyer, Dean. ohhh, new image!
	11:43pm coelacanth∅: Dean i thought sound of m was on soundcloud...(i thought i bookmarked it too but i can't find it. i might've renamed it "Dean" or something)
	11:43pm Dean: Thanks, ngh. Not my design, I'm afraid. They just sorta showed up, and I grabbed one, filed it away...somewhere.
	11:45pm Dean: Not to my knowledge, coel, but it's possible somebody posted it there. Alex Ferguson of ATV was supposed to join us the morning we recorded in my parents' garage, but it was raining and he didn't know us and...who knows.
	11:46pm chresti: Which one? I wasn’t at the one that broke out in a riot- or we left early- black randy and the metro squad and.,.,aw I can’t remember who else played that night
	11:48pm Dean: The one with Dils, Bags, Zeros? Does that sound right? If you have Brendan's book about the Masque, my earlier band is in it (Twits) and I appear on the page with the contact sheet of portrait shots. I'm the guy with Flipside stickers on his face.
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: such a sad one. i can't imagine.
	11:50pm Franco Twinkie: Dean too many numbers! I'll look later.
	11:50pm Sam Segal: Saw Nick Cave at Barclay's on Friday. They fucking blew me away, and I wasn't even that big of a fan before the show.
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, right now we're going down memory lane. People, bands, situations. Lots of funny and questionable behavior.
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: wow, cool Sam. never seen him. i love a lot of his work, and am pretty bored by much of his music too! all in all i love him.
	11:55pm chresti: Wow! I haven’t seen Brendan’s book Did you know the Eyes?
	11:56pm northguineahills: Thanks Sam and friends, gotta water the garden before I slumber. (entering the dry season down in here parts).
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: i still have to eat dinner. my sleep cycles are totally off kilter. see ya ngh
	11:57pm Dean: Yes, nostalgia is strong. But I did appreciate the vibe, independent of the music, in a way that informs my experience of history. It was a special time. I didn't know The Eyes, but I saw them a couple times at the Masque. They were spectacular, in my opinion far superior to the bands they spawned, X and Go-Go's. (We called our band M, because X is such a cheesy name for a band. To my mind, X portended the decline of LA punk.)
	11:58pm Sam Segal: Peace and love, @NGH!
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: the X from australia is pretty good though, despite possible cheesy name.
	11:59pm chresti: Ha ha dean! M in response to X
	12:00am Dean: I like the X (Ex?) from Australia!
	12:00am coelacanth∅: i never heard the eyes but i think the go-go's first album is respectable.
	12:01am Franco Twinkie: X, like The Doors before them, make peoples blood boil. Love 'um or hate'um, they cast a long shadow.
	12:01am chresti: Thanks for such a nice program Sam! Goodnight !
	12:01am Dean: Yeah, chresti, they were eXtreme, while we were Mediocre.
	12:01am Dean: Alas, Franco, same goes for The Osmonds.
	12:02am coelacanth∅: there's an "ex" i don't know where they're from; and there is or was an "x" from australia. active in the 90s, at least.
	12:02am northguineahills: The Ex are from the Netherlands, the X are from Oz...
	12:02am chresti: Dean everyone was picking up instruments and practicing/learning to play except Charlotte - she studied music
	12:03am Dean: Ah, right, ngh. I was thinking of the Dutch band.
	12:03am Franco Twinkie: Thanks Sam! Now I can go to the store.
	12:03am coelacanth∅: i cant stand la's x's female vocals. some of the music is okay, but it's ruined by her terrible singing and their terrible harmonies.
	12:04am Dean: Charlotte definitely knew what she was doing. (She, too, appears in that contact sheet spread in Brendan's book, as does Belinda.)
	12:05am Carmichael: Thanks, Sam.
	12:05am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! glad you almost made you show goal. take care y'all

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from October 29, 2018

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