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Favoriting January 28, 2019: Something To Do With The Horse

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Artist Track Album Label Approx. start time
DOOM  Gazillion Ear   Favoriting Born Like This  Lex  0:00:00 (Pop-up)
 
Gary Byrd x Stevie Wonder  The Crown - MLK (KON EDIT)   Favoriting Single  Self-Released  0:13:00 (Pop-up)
Willie and the Bumblebees  Honey From The Bee   Favoriting Honey From The Bee  Sweet Jane LTD  0:17:43 (Pop-up)
Anthony Cockson  Ekpo Abonomo   Favoriting     0:32:35 (Pop-up)
Romperayo  La Caseta del Negrito   Favoriting Que Jue?  Disrepant  0:31:51 (Pop-up)
Unknown  N'Gate   Favoriting Sélection Musicale Guinéenne 91    0:34:41 (Pop-up)
 
Mark Fell  Multistability 10-A   Favoriting Multistability  Editions Mego  0:45:08 (Pop-up)
Madteo  Rugrats Don't Techno for an Answer   Favoriting Noi No  Sähkö  0:52:50 (Pop-up)
Fenn O'Berg  Floating My Boat   Favoriting The Return of Fenn O'Berg  Editions Mego  0:56:59 (Pop-up)
Keith LeBlanc  Major Malfunction   Favoriting Major Malfunction  World  1:02:13 (Pop-up)
Hama  Takamba   Favoriting Houmeissa  Sahel Sounds  1:06:16 (Pop-up)
Jay Daniel  Aja   Favoriting TALA  Watusi High  1:10:10 (Pop-up)
DJ Different  Permission 2 Dance   Favoriting Permission 2 Dance  Lobster Theremin  1:14:52 (Pop-up)
Nazar  Enclave   Favoriting Enclave EP  Hyperdub  1:18:04 (Pop-up)
Rabit  TRACK 2 LANA IM SO HIGH   Favoriting THE DOPE SHOW  Halcyon Veil  1:24:00 (Pop-up)
Lil B  Dolla for Dolla   Favoriting Options  Self Released  1:27:46 (Pop-up)
 
Don Gero  Fire Ball II   Favoriting Wizarding  Crash Symbols  1:35:50 (Pop-up)
Caldwell/Tester  Respiratory Hustle   Favoriting Two Reels  Medium Sound  1:39:44 (Pop-up)
Big Ded  Joybender   Favoriting Joybender  Embalming Lately  1:41:30 (Pop-up)
The Shadow Ring  Apricot Rat   Favoriting Life Review (1993-2003)  Kye  1:43:39 (Pop-up)
Daniel Higgs  Moharsing and Schoenhut   Favoriting Ancestral Songs  Holy Mountain  1:46:27 (Pop-up)
Stuart Chalmers  Warped   Favoriting Imaginary Musicks Vol. 5  Invisible City  1:50:05 (Pop-up)
Alex Mincek  Pendulum VII   Favoriting Torrent  Sound American  1:57:07 (Pop-up)
Nicole Mitchell / Tomeka Reid / Mike Reed  Jo Jar   Favoriting Artifacts  482 Music  2:05:14 (Pop-up)
Mikel Patrick Avery's PLAY  wind-UP   Favoriting PLAY  Self-Released  2:10:38 (Pop-up)
 
Hiiragi Fukuda 福田柊  Slim Harpo Syndrome   Favoriting My Turntable Is Slow  Sloow Tapes  2:23:01 (Pop-up)
Lungfish  Return to the Caves   Favoriting The Unanimous Hour  Dischord  2:26:18 (Pop-up)
La Tène & Jacques Puech et Louis Jacques & Jérémie Sauvage et Guilhem Lacroux  Parade du Soliat   Favoriting Abandonnée​/​Maléja  three:four  2:29:17 (Pop-up)
Áine O'Dwyer / Graham Lambkin  Down by the Sally Gardens   Favoriting Green Ways  Erstwhile  2:48:48 (Pop-up)
Cory Smythe  Ladies Horserun   Favoriting Circulate Susanna  Pyroclastic  2:52:12 (Pop-up)
Tyshawn Sorey  Only One Sky   Favoriting Koan  482 Music  2:56:04 (Pop-up)
 


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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:00pm
chresti:

Hello Sam and horse-sheep!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:03pm
chresti:

Where's that? The Pyrenees?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:04pm
Sam Segal:

Chresti! Having some connection issues but hang tight.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:04pm
Franco Twinkie:

My guess is Utah, Hey Sam!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:06pm
Franco Twinkie:

Fiddle sticks. I was digging that guitar freak out, then it went flooey.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:09pm
Sam Segal:

not sure what's going on...internet is just going in and out. hang tight!
Avatar 9:09pm
fleep:

I think I'm getting the stream and not the horse.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:11pm
Sam Segal:

How about now?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:11pm
chresti:

Stream sounds good too
Avatar 9:11pm
fleep:

If it's I wear the crown we're good
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:11pm
Sam Segal:

We are!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:13pm
Franco Twinkie:

I ate some fruit and I think that fixed it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:14pm
chresti:

We missed the DOOM
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:14pm
Michael 98145:

streaming fine to the left coast
Avatar 9:15pm
fleep:

where is the other coast, are they frozen to the ground
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:15pm
Michael 98145:

oh, those poor folks are in for some arctic vortexing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:17pm
Michael 98145:

ice ice, baby : www.duluthharborcam.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:19pm
Sam Segal:

Now that all the commotion is over...hello Chresti, Franco, Fleep, and Michael!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:20pm
Sam Segal:

Or...perhaps I spoke to soon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:22pm
chresti:

Polar ice cap slipping
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:22pm
Sam Segal:

Really not sure what the deal is tonight with my internet. My apologies, folks.
Avatar 9:22pm
fleep:

Both you and stream alternating back and forth every 2 seconds now.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:23pm
Franco Twinkie:

Yes! Chanting with a drum will help!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:24pm
Michael 98145:

invoke the forces of the neutrality
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:24pm
Franco Twinkie:

Fleep's got the beat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:25pm
chresti:

That link is wonderful, thanks Michael
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:26pm
Michael 98145:

@chresti, hypnotic, isn't it ?
:)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:28pm
Michael 98145:

uh oh -
Avatar 9:28pm
ifny:

Stream is verrrrry weird on the left coast. Cutting in and out, overlapping songs. Listening via mobile, gonna try laptop.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:28pm
Franco Twinkie:

I'll eat another clementine with my eyes closed, standing on one foot to try and straighten this ornery thing out.
Avatar 9:29pm
ifny:

Currently cutting between Japanese crooner and groovy African (East African?) bits.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:29pm
Michael 98145:

i blame Putin
Avatar 9:29pm
ifny:

I guess the robots are making humans obsolescent for even radio art.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:30pm
Michael 98145:

bastard is gaslighting us
Avatar 9:30pm
ifny:

If they don't leave us freeform, we have nothing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:30pm
Sam Segal:

Well, I have it plugged back into the phone hotspot. Let's see how long this holds...
Avatar 9:31pm
ifny:

If we go down, at least we go down together.
Avatar 9:32pm
ifny:

Loving the music by the way Sam! Can't wait to drool all over the playlist when it appears.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:33pm
Franco Twinkie:

The milk has curdled, so it might be solar radiation. If that is the case, wrap all children and pets with tin foil....but continue dancing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:33pm
Michael 98145:

more better
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34pm
chresti:

We're on the same horse now?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:35pm
Sam Segal:

Yes, we should be. Hopefully the phone hot spot doesn't crap out on me again.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:35pm
Sam Segal:

Ifny, you should be safe to let that drool spill now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:35pm
Michael 98145:

Spaceweather.com sez: SOLAR WIND, INCOMING: A large hole in the sun's atmosphere is facing Earth and spewing a stream of solar wind in our direction.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:40pm
Michael 98145:

still here
Avatar 9:41pm
fleep:

excited for you
Avatar 9:42pm
ifny:

Uh oh, stream going wonky again.
Avatar 9:43pm
ifny:

Chopping in and out, you talking and then music. But we're staying with you!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:43pm
Michael 98145:

coat hanger internet is giving us a sea chantey
Avatar 9:43pm
fleep:

what the dithery fumfoolery is this
Avatar 9:43pm
ifny:

Coat Hanger Internet, there's a song title right there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:45pm
Michael 98145:

whoa this is truly freeform
:)
Avatar 9:45pm
ifny:

That shanty has some bad-ass political lyrics, from what I can make out.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:46pm
Franco Twinkie:

Okay, I don't want to freak anyone out, but from the kitchen window I just saw a glowing cigar shaped "thing" air lifting cattle out in the pasture.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:46pm
Michael 98145:

i can't even imagine what station that could be
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:46pm
Sam Segal:

Folks, I'm not sure what to do here. If I can't get this damn internet to hold, I hate to hog the stream. I may have to disconnect completely and let this episode exist in the archives. But I'll try one more thing first.
Avatar 9:47pm
ifny:

Ok! I love beta testing. Do your thang. Daisy-chain it up!
Avatar 9:47pm
ifny:

I mean really, if you can't fuck up around your friends, they're not your friends after all.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:48pm
Michael 98145:

yes
Avatar 9:48pm
ifny:

So now it's some speed-synth, is that what it's supposed to be? And the vibes are coming in?
  9:49pm
Dropped one:

oh well, if the show's over early, at least ill be able to go and drop this poo that's been weighing me down all day.
Avatar 9:50pm
ifny:

There's always a silver poo lining.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:50pm
Michael 98145:

switched streams ... Bryce's marble blender became something new
Avatar 9:50pm
ifny:

Choppy stream is back. Now it's soul interspersed with the synth track.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:51pm
Michael 98145:

now we get the blues
now we get the electrons
  9:51pm
Dropped one:

this never happened when djs didnt pre-record their progrms
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:51pm
Franco Twinkie:

I just hung a copper pot scrubber over the screen with fifty pound test line and I'm fanning it with a rolled up newspaper.
Avatar 9:51pm
ifny:

Now guitar/harp chopping in with some radiosonica.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:52pm
Sam Segal:

Haha I can assure you, this is not pre-recorded...how could this trainwreck possibly have been pre-recorded?
  9:52pm
Dropped one:

i think what we're hearing now is the proper Mark Fell
Avatar 9:52pm
ifny:

You know, I'm finding the hardest thing about this whole exercise to be describing the music I'm hearing. Perhaps unsurprisingly. I love you freeform!
Avatar 9:53pm
fleep:

the boundary between success and failure has been erased. we are truly free. expand and fill the universe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:53pm
Michael 98145:

if this is what i'm hearing, i'm liking it
  9:53pm
Dropped one:

can i go and watch Monday Night Raw now?
Avatar 9:54pm
still b/p:

The devolution will NOT be prerecorded.
The devolution will NOT be prerecorded.
Avatar 9:54pm
ifny:

I'm going back to drooling. Getting dehydrated rapidly. Which one was the beautiful chant track near the top of the show? I don't know that it's on the playlist. Unless it's N'Gate?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:54pm
Sam Segal:

This show is actually programmed to sync perfectly with midnight raw. Sort of a Dark Side Wizard of Oz thing, but for tonight's Monday Night Raw.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:55pm
Sam Segal:

I think that was probably N'Gate, ifny.
Avatar 9:57pm
ifny:

Thanks Sam! Any more info about it, or idea where I might find it? Google is not being nice to me when I ask it.
  9:57pm
Dropped one:

Seth Rollins will make his decision tonight as to which champion he will challenge at Wrestlemania. What song u got lined up for that?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:58pm
Sam Segal:

"Back in Black" by AC/DC.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:00pm
Sam Segal:

Also, Fleep @9:53....that comment genuinely made my night. Whatever happens from here on out is all apart of the plan. Think of it like a John Cage chance-based piece of radio art.
Avatar 10:01pm
ifny:

fleep is en flique
  10:01pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda Rousey has just entered the ring for her match this evening
Avatar 10:01pm
ifny:

Yes! The robots will never replace us!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:02pm
Michael 98145:

we have lift-off
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:02pm
Franco Twinkie:

When I was about eight years old my father bought me a build-it-yourself crystal set. It had a little plastic earplug speaker. The signal was mostly static, but once in a while I could pick up Wolfman Jack on XERB from across the border. I learned patience from that little piece of red plastic.
  10:03pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda not really cutting it with the mic skills.
  10:04pm
Dropped one:

Franco, the tears are welling up. It's the way u tell it, son.
Avatar 10:05pm
ifny:

I hear that Franco. I mean, I'm happy listening to shortwave static in between lands. Doesn't mean we don't care, just means we are full of love and curiosity.
Avatar 10:06pm
ifny:

@Sam: I used to run a show off my laptop that I patched directly into the board, because there was very little freaking time to open jewel cases or drop the needle so I'd line as much up as I could. I was operating AND hosting (and answering the station door remote release/intercom, and the on-air phone line). And I had to operate the kettle sometimes on top of that...but a hotspot in the mix, dayum. That's next level risk management.
  10:06pm
Dropped one:

well, i listened to john peel under the covers on crackly medium wave, fading in and out
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:07pm
Sam Segal:

Hahahahaha I know it feels like a tight rope walk. Honored you've all stuck with me thus far.
  10:08pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda's championship is on the line in this match against Bayley
Avatar 10:09pm
ifny:

I suspect we've been content all along. I appreciate you taking the time to make a show, AND jury-rig it up just for us.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm
Sam Segal:

Who you rooting for, Dropped?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:09pm
Michael 98145:

what @ifny just said
  10:10pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda. Obviously she's gonna win.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:10pm
Michael 98145:

a stream grows in Brooklyn
  10:11pm
Dropped one:

I'd ban* Rhonda gladly.
  10:13pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda kicks out at 2 for a second time
  10:14pm
Dropped one:

Rhond'a hurting
  10:14pm
Dean:

Time to reread Joyce Carol Oates' book on boxing, maybe?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:15pm
Sam Segal:

Dean! Welcome.
  10:15pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda very cute this evening
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:17pm
Sam Segal:

@Dropped One: Do you like Daniel Bryan?
  10:18pm
Dean:

Safe to assume there's a Permission 4 Dance?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:18pm
Sam Segal:

Of course, Dean. This is a Dance Safe Space.
Avatar 10:19pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

@ Dropped one ur a freakin pervert just like my dad and grampa!!!!! alos my dog
  10:21pm
Dean:

Yeah, well, I don't recall anybody with authority giving permission 2 use numbers 4 prepositions.
  10:23pm
Dropped one:

Rhonda wins by submission (arm bar)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:23pm
Sam Segal:

Ah, but that's where you're wrong, Dean. Prince (Rogers Nelson) sanctioned using numbers 4 prepositions decades ago.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:24pm
Michael 98145:

heh
enjoying these tracks.
  10:24pm
Dean:

(Granted, that first 2 isn't a preposition. It's a particle.)

Prince?! He couldn't even keep his own name straight!
  10:24pm
Dropped one:

now that slut Becky Lynch is walking to the ring
Avatar 10:25pm
ifny:

Letters 4 prepositions was the one thing Prince and Sinead could agree on.
Avatar 10:25pm
ifny:

No numbers- or slut-shaming here please.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:25pm
Sam Segal:

I can't have that kind of "slut" talk in this chat room, Dropped One.
Avatar 10:26pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

@droppedone U cant say that fuckin word
Avatar 10:27pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

sry 4 sayin f word
  10:27pm
Dropped one:

ok, i retract
Avatar 10:28pm
ifny:

Thanks Dropped.
  10:28pm
Dropped one:

the worlds gone mad tho wen u cant say ****
Avatar 10:29pm
ifny:

It's about respect and care, not words.
Avatar 10:29pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

nah its actually a much better place for women overall
Avatar 10:29pm
ifny:

Oh, and the world was mad forever ago anyway :P
  10:30pm
Dropped one:

but im talking about a character on a tv show, not a real person
Avatar 10:30pm
ifny:

The world's gone mad when you love sex and your body, but get shamed for it.
Avatar 10:31pm
ifny:

I hear that Dropped, but in terms of discourse, your critique of that character may reinforce values that are oppressive to all of us, you and me and Becky and the rest.
  10:32pm
Dean:

I think Dropped one was lamenting JustTrying's apology for using the f-word. I concur with Dropped one respecting that particular word. And while I wouldn't argue that you *can't* say the s-word -- of course you can -- I agree that it's ugly and destructive, and therefore subject to social condemnation.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:33pm
Franco Twinkie:

We use to call that weight a donut. Hmm, that reminds me, I need to walk across the street and get a maple bar.
Avatar 10:34pm
ifny:

Like, if I use a racist or homophobic term to critique a character unironically/uncritically, that helps reinforce racist and homophobic structures because it talks about those things like they're bad.
Avatar 10:34pm
ifny:

Oooh maple bar, I'm in!
  10:34pm
Dropped one:

hmm, im sorry to tell u, men and women are gonna be saying that word, or its equivalent, for centuries to come. the S**T word i mean
  10:36pm
Dropped one:

its not possible to stop any 1 word from existing in the real world
Avatar 10:36pm
ifny:

Dropped one: not really the point. People of all genders also going to be disrespecting, hating, hurting and killing each other for the future. I hope we aspire to better ways of relating to each other, and I hope I get wiser as I get older.
  10:36pm
Dropped one:

its like the Victorians trying to pretend that sex didnt exist
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:37pm
Franco Twinkie:

ifny, I wish I could share with you. This place across the street the bomb.
Avatar 10:37pm
ifny:

No one is trying to stop a word. It's being uncritical and using hate-fomenting structures without thinking about it.
Avatar 10:37pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

definitely not like that at all dropped one
  10:37pm
Dropped one:

dont tell me u dont use that word behind closed doors
Avatar 10:38pm
ifny:

Thanks Franco. I have a jar of maple butter sitting on my shelf that I got in Montreal. Maybe I'll crack it tonight.
  10:38pm
Dropped one:

so, how are we suuposed to describe a woman who puts it around a bit?
Avatar 10:39pm
ifny:

Dropped: Uh, nope. I don't. To answer your question, I would describe her as sex-positive.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:39pm
Franco Twinkie:

How about my new best friend?
  10:39pm
Dean:

Oops. Guess I was wrong. But the fact that there will always be people who utter the word doesn't argue against condemnation. Consider, for example, "retarded," the use of which from 1974 or so has massively declined, due in part, I suspect, from disapproval. The use of the s-word, OTOH, has increased since about 1970. (This all per Google's ngram viewier, hence caveat.) I suspect this is due in part to, e.g., the rise of second wave feminism, which for some unfathomable reason pisses off a lot of people.
Avatar 10:39pm
ifny:

It would never occur to me to criticize someone for having sex.
  10:40pm
Dropped one:

oh dear, but of a toungue twister
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:40pm
Sam Segal:

Dropped One, as a favor to me, could you, uh, drop THIS one topic.
  10:40pm
Dropped one:

well, thats u
Avatar 10:41pm
ifny:

Dean: 2nd wave feminism is generally trans-exclusionary, which is why it pisses me off :P It takes an essentialist view of gender (biology is destiny, which is silly considering that reinforces patriarchy). Speaking as a 3rd wave trans-inclusive intersectional feminist myself.
Avatar 10:42pm
ifny:

Dayum, I'm trying to cook dinner, not very successfully. So much wonderful brainpower in the WFMU listenership.
  10:42pm
Dropped one:

i understand Sam, this is an enclave of serenity, where i never ever have to poop; but actually i REALLY DO HAVE TO NOW, SORRY!! Gotta runnnnnn!!
Avatar 10:43pm
ifny:

Tonight it's swiss chard and parsley I just picked from the garden, refried linguine, and leftover pea soup.
Avatar 10:44pm
JustTryingToBeAGoodGuy:

BE GONE dropped one!!!
Avatar 10:44pm
ifny:

A mish mosh of nights past. Oh, and maple butter from Montreal!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:45pm
Sam Segal:

Sounds delightful, ifny. Thank you for bringing your Canadian serenity (and trans-inclusive 3rd wave feminism) to the board tonight.
  10:47pm
Dean:

I understand, ifny, but I disagree to an extent. (By the way, I studied with Angela Harris, one of the early critics of essentialism in feminist jurisprudence.) In any event, I assume the trans-exclusionary character of second-wave feminism, to the extent it exists, does not explain an ensuing misogynist backlash.
Avatar 10:47pm
ifny:

Helps me keep my conflict resolution scalpel set sharp :) Thank you for supporting the process as well -- multiple even-keeled voices really helps keep conversations constructive.
Avatar 10:51pm
fleep:

loquacious bunch you got here.
Avatar 10:51pm
ifny:

Dean: oh yeah, I hear that, MRAs etc. I don't want to sound like I'm justifying that backlash or misogyny!! I understand if you want to disagree that 2nd wave has silliness going on, but the essentialist stuff is not disavowed in the movement, it's embraced and self-defined. Not controversial. 3rd and 2nd wave disagree about the gender binary -- 3rd wave thinks it hurts us all because it reinforces patriarchy/gender elite. Whereas 2nd wave is more down with "women-only" spaces and organising -- "women" not including nonbinary/trans folks. Never heard of Angela Harris, I'll check them out.
Avatar 10:52pm
ifny:

Whereas MRAs and friends would just say 'Burn all the witches!'
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:54pm
Sam Segal:

I'd like to see a formal dialogue between ifny and Dean published in a peer-reviewed journal, that's what I'd like to see, folks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:54pm
chresti:

Great set Sam
  10:54pm
Carmichael:

Heya Sam, missed all the hoopla.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:55pm
Sam Segal:

Thanks, Chresti! Glad the internet issues got worked out (knock on wood) before this set.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:55pm
Sam Segal:

Howdy, Carm!
Avatar 10:55pm
ifny:

Haha. I'll wear my tutu.
  10:56pm
Carmichael:

Ifny, you had me at maple bar.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:56pm
Sam Segal:

@Ifny, have you ever watched the YouTube channel ContraPoints? Think you might enjoy it, given the ideology you've expressed here tonight: www.youtube.com...
  10:57pm
Dean:

"Race and Essentialism in Feminist Legal Theory": https://works.bepress.com/angela_harris/6/ ...among others.

I loathe MRA, and I have since encountering Warren Farrell and his crass stupidity.

But I don't think 2nd wave feminists are imprudent for expressing concern about the safety of women. (Nor do I think this concern is exclusive to 2nd wave feminists.)

Anyway, I am constitutionally opposed to "peers," hence I will *never* publish in a peer-reviewed journal! [joke]
Avatar 🥁 Swag For Life Member 11:00pm
Granny Spicy Tuna:

oooh, are we smashing the gender binary?!
Avatar 11:01pm
ifny:

Wanting safety is not imprudent. But thinking that it can come without the safety of all non-prestige genders/gender variants is shortsighted analysis. Trans and nonbinary folks aren't threatening the safety of non-cis-mean. Ironically, they're targeted for violence and discrimination by the very same people as 2nd wave feminists.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:01pm
Sam Segal:

Absolutely, Granny Spicy Tuna! Join in on the fun!
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ifny:

@Sam thanks for that. I'll check it out!
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still b/p:

Interesting to observe rate of change in personal circles of participation. Though the pronoun choices and discussions, and of course, some reflexive scowling and mocking, have been going on for years. it's only been in the last two years that it's become common upon initial project get-togethers and introductions that pronoun preferences are specified/invited around the circle.
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

oh YEAH!!! (my personal pronouns are they/them or e/em, BTW)
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Franco Twinkie:

Can we have a seance and locate David Susskind from beyond the grave. An astute moderator would be helpful for all of us cromags who barley made it though high school.
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ifny:

Sorry, my last sentence was confusing. What I'm saying is that 2nd wave feminists, trans* and nonbinary folks are harmed/targeted by the same peeps.
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ifny:

/me googles David Susskind
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chresti:

Dean, would you please call the judge and ask her to dismiss me from jury duty, please?
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

younger folx are more familiar with introductions including pronouns. In urban AND even in rural areas, i will add. I've encountered this in many places.
  11:05pm
Dean:

Can't be smashed. There is no binary. Never has been. That's the point.

I'm reminded of various posts on Brian Leiter's philosophy blog featuring a professor (a female) who *dared* to question the prudence of immediately revoking gender *norms* in the service of policies affirmative of trans communities. I think her concerns are reasonable, even if the ultimate goal will cultivate norms that more-or-less assure safety for all.
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

how about smashing the legal enforcement of the imaginary yet practiced gender binary?
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ifny:

Well, smash the state, smash the binary, smash the patriarchy...it's good to have goals. For me that's the point. It's about smashing oppressive social constructs.
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ifny:

For smash feel free to insert 'recalibrate' if that feels less antisocial.
  11:08pm
Dean:

chresti, I'm happy to do so. Still ongoing? Yeesh! Why don't you ask if you can just vote guilty now?

Do y'all know John Stoltenberg's Refusing to Be a Man? He was Andrea Dworkin's partner during her last years. It's on the tail of the second wave, but worth dipping into.

I miss Andrea Dworkin. She was amazing.
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ifny:

still b/p -- it's interesting to be sure. An opportunity to delve into deep subjects with new people we've just met.
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coelacanth∅:

howdy Sam and horsesters
  11:10pm
Dean:

Nicole Mitchell, new head of Jazz Studies at Pitt, per Doug Schulkind, I hear.
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coelacanth∅:

those are some funny looking horses you got there. i don't know what to do with them.
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Franco Twinkie:

Dean, Now I know why you don't want to get together with me in Golden Gate Park. Your head is so big, I would get scared, and jump in Stow lake.
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Sam Segal:

Ride 'em, Coel! What else?!
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coelacanth∅:

oh i'll ride 'em a'right. they wont know what hit 'em!
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chresti:

Haha coel!

Thanks Dean, I want to vote guilty on both sides...
  11:14pm
Dean:

Not so, even as a joke, Franco. There are big heads and big heads, and mine ain't one of 'em either way. The difficulty getting around is a function of being a daddy/husband/son (all gender-specific duties, I'll note, goddammit).
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ifny:

Um, not to open another can of worms (again so soon) and I really do have to cook dinner (the cast iron frypan has been preheating for an eternity)...except that Dworkin enthusiastically supported Janice Raymond's concept that trans women are r*pists -- by virtue of the fact that they exist. Not a hero of mine.
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ifny:

Oooo hi coelacath∅! What's new!
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coelacanth∅:

chresti they're ALL ALWAYS GUILTY!
  11:16pm
Dean:

Give me the cite, ifny. I *will* look it up. Dworkin, MacKinnon, Lorde, none of them were immune to fuck-ups, for sure. A lot has been said about AD and her pronouncements about rape. They are often mistaken, in my opinion.
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ifny:

But I've had enough heavy for a while and I"m sure I'm not the only one. Shall we all agree that freeform radio is inherently feminist? :D
  11:16pm
Dean:

As for dinner, ifny, please don't open the can of worms. Stick to cabbage and potatoes.
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

by the way, i am enjoying this set immensely, thanks, Sam!
  11:17pm
Dean:

Yes. Agreed. Freeform is feminist.
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coelacanth∅:

hey ifny!
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ifny:

Dean: it's everywhere -- it's one thing to make a mistake or be an early adopter and mess up, it's another to persist and enthuse for decades after the writing is on the wall.
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

PS: I'm a non-binary Granny.
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ifny:

I love worms, cabbage and potatoes equally :)
  11:18pm
Dean:

My preferred pronoun is "beer belly."
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coelacanth∅:

ew, grrrls eat worms
  11:23pm
Dean:

This is what we call "the public sphere." It's one happy by-product of the otherwise destructive global network.
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Granny Spicy Tuna:

i can't stop clicky-starring
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Sam Segal:

The great thing about clicky stars is that you can never run out of them, Granny. Let em fly, I say!
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ifny:

@Dean I think she should have been more proactive-- but I don't have as much to grouse about with Dworkin, compared to other more grouse-worthy folks. Worm can still closed :) Thank you for chatting with me, I appreciated it.
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still b/p:

If intertubes sees super-concentration of ownership or full monopolization, well, there's your corporate name right there. Dwarfing your CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX...is DGN.
  11:29pm
Dean:

Thank you, ifny. Likewise, I appreciate it.
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ifny:

And what a pleasure talking to you all about deep political things in a serious, silly, kind way. Much gratitudes and ear bubbles from the leftmost coast. And thank you Sam for riding this horse to the end, trusting us to be here listening and enjoying!
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coelacanth∅:

i only give the gold to things i want to check into further. they are a tool, in my world. not a vote. not for the song nor the host. if i did that i'd never be able to use them as a tool.
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coelacanth∅:

even so i'll never be able to research everything i've clickystarred.
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ifny:

Granny: I'm retired from pronouns myself. Usually Ifny does just fine :P
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Sam Segal:

I am kind of a gratuitous clicky-starrer myself
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ifny:

On the mobile app, I clickystar *and* email it to myself. Because if my handset goes, my clickystars go! Tragic.
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still b/p:

Pro-none?
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ifny:

Nice! (I wish!)
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coelacanth∅:

ahh i'd star 80% of what i hear on wfmu.
...like even that lungfish track. i starred it, but now i'm doubting the need to, as i know they're already bookmarked elsewhere on my computer.
but i liked it!
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ifny:

Maybe there should be an inverse app skin and functionality -- everything is starred by default and you just unclickystar the few that aren't your bag. WFMU, the Allstar Version.
  11:35pm
Dean:

This La Tène reminds me of a really lovely cornemeuse and accordion recital I turn to now and then:
https://www.discogs.com/Christian-Vesvre-Serge-Desaunay-Matins-Gris-Musiques-pour-cornemuses-et-accord%C3%A9ons/release/8678182
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Franco Twinkie:

I apologize Dean. Some things (or people) never change. Just think back to high school when the good students were having an intelligent discussion, and the loutish hoodlum in the back of the classroom just had to pipe in with insipid nonsense.
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still b/p:

Clicked stars add up to so many more than I'll actually go check and retrieve or compile for a listening mix....but I still do it rarely enough that's it's a bit of a fun game to go for a click and find, heyyyy-sooooprize, I already bada-binged it on some earlier playing!
  11:37pm
Dean:

Franco, no need to apologize, but thank you. Yep, high school. When folks complain about "Trump," I think "high school." We have always been so.
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Sam Segal:

Franco, "Loutish Hoodlum" would be a great alter ego if you ever decide to start rapping.
  11:38pm
Dean:

It's the "ish" that makes it poetry.
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Franco Twinkie:

It's not inconceivable, Sam.
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still b/p:

Loutish hoodlum sounds like a dish served somewhere in northern UK.
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coelacanth∅:

s b/p yup that's pretty much my approach too
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Franco Twinkie:

But seriously Dean...oh never mind! You work at Cal. You breath different air.
  11:43pm
Dean:

Circling back to my inaugural discussion of prepostiions, Franco, I work *for* Cal more so than *at* it.
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coelacanth∅:

ifny @11.35 it wouldn't work for me! a lot of what i do like i'm already on it, so i don't need the note to self;
+ there are shows i never or rarely listen to because i don't care for them, in general. (though i doubt there's any shows i'd like none of)
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Franco Twinkie:

The librarian wins on a technicality!
  11:46pm
Dean:

That's what we do.
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northguineahills:

arggh, missed most!
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coelacanth∅:

(and maybe i was being generous with the "80%". maybe that much i like, but not that much that i like enough to want to check out the album or whatever)
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Sam Segal:

Thanks for stopping by anyway, NGH!
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ifny:

@northguineahills we made an epic commentboard for you.
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coelacanth∅:

hey ngh! i'm going on and on about clickystars and others are trying to "fight nice", as my mother used to say.
...myself i don't need help getting people's fur up so i'm staying at the edge of the mosh pit.
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still b/p:

Oh, ngh, the keeper of the Lost Horse Inn did us well with supper of meat pies. music, ale and traditional loutish hoodlum.
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ifny:

Can I just say that sumac is an incredibly underrated spice, and I'm putting on everything from now on to make up for it?
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coelacanth∅:

sumac, huh? i've never tasted it. i like the smell of the live plant though.
  11:54pm
Dean:

Permit me to be a dick. Yes, we're fighting nice, but no, this isn't a mosh pit. I remember the days before mosh pits when aggressive physical emotional expression ... for fuck's sake, dancing! ... wasn't the slightest bit dangerous.

Sumac played recently in Sacramento, and a buddy of mine loved them.
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Franco Twinkie:

Well Sam, You get the Algonquin round table award for the deadliest chat room so far this year. High minded, but entertaining as well! Thanks.
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coelacanth∅:

i've just recently gone from liking cilantro in small quantities, occasionally, to full-on liking it.
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Sam Segal:

I feel like I did nothing to earn the distinction, Franco, but I appreciate it all the same! You all were marvelous!
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still b/p:

I sawed down several sumac trees in the summer. Is it a more exotic type that provides the spice than the northeast yard and roadside variety?
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ifny:

coelacanth∅: imagine lemon with no acid went and had a nonbinary child with umami.
  11:56pm
Dean:

coelacanth∅: Fantastic. Go all out and try a chimichurri.
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northguineahills:

You ain't kidding, ifny. I don't identify gender or culturally, but others are welcome to do so for me. (I have no quarrels either way). I suppose I'm heterosexual in my orientation, but, I'm not good at IDing as anything outside of accident of birth, and the 'culture, or lack thereof' I grew up w/. It's been a good decade since I've read feminist literature, curious where it is now...
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fleep:

y'all expanded and expounded and the soundtrack was superb, thanks Sam
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ifny:

Well said Franco Twinkie! Agreed.
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coelacanth∅:

i didn't scroll very far up, but i'll blindly promise that i've seen (and unfortunately been up to my third eye in) several times greater struggles on wfmu comment boards.
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Franco Twinkie:

A safe place for the kids to roast marshmallows while discussing Kant and Spinoza.
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ifny:

@still b/p - it is both indigenous and exotic :) If you're ever wildcrafting it, make sure you eat the red sumac, not the white sumac (which is the one that makes you itchy). You wouldn't want itchy intestines :P
  11:58pm
Dean:

Gonna hear Tyshawn at a house in Berkeley in March with Roscoe Mitchell. Hyped!
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still b/p:

I think itchy intestines is a dish served....never mind,
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ifny:

You can often buy it in "za'atar" -- which is a blend of thyme, sumac, sesame seeds and salt. Any Middle Eastern or Persian grocery store will have it.
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ifny:

I think today's conversation was remarkable because we chatted about loaded topics and yet kept en flique :)
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northguineahills:

@Ifny: itchy intestines, see menudo (great hangover helper).
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coelacanth∅:

Thanks Sam! take care comrades!
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still b/p:

Remember reading about za'atar....must try!
Great show....must thank!
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ifny:

@ngh agreed -- I have yet to try it but it's on my list :) Ciao everyone, peace and all the pieces!
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