WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from May 10, 2020

Listener comments!
	9:00am listener james from westwood: Good Sunday morning, Jeff and all!
	9:02am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Howdy, @listener james and @holland oats! Please stand by!
	🥁 9:05am Listener Gregory: I am sitting by.
	9:06am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners. Technical difficulties on WFMU mean some things are still normal in this world
	9:07am Jeff Golick: That is also fine, @Listener Gregory. Ha! I suppose that's true, @fred!
	🥁 9:08am hyde: gooooood morning
	9:08am alan r: Bingo. You're on!
	🥁 9:08am Listener Gregory: Some are born congliptious, some achieve congliptiousness, some have congliptiousness thrust upon them. I am in the last category.
	9:10am Jeff Golick: Welcome and hellooo, @hyde, and @alan r!
	🥁 9:12am doctorjazz: Hello all!
	🥁 9:14am doctorjazz: Germany is 6 hours ahead of NY/Eastern Standard Time.
	9:14am Sem: Hello and good morning, Jeff, from the recently snowed upon shores of the mighty Bay of Fundy, and D:O folk in all climes, temperate or not.
	9:14am DJpeterDE: Good morning! Sun is out in DE
	9:16am fred: @doctorjazz: How did your return to work go?
	9:17am TDK60: Morning Jeff and Out folks, though we're mostly In.
	9:19am rw: Good morning and happy Mother’s Day!
	🥁 9:19am Listener Gregory: It appears to be above freezing outside. This is an accomplishment.
	9:20am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @doctorjazz, @Sem, @DJpeterDE, @TDK60, and @rw! You are wonderful to see in any time zone. Or temperate zone.
	🥁 9:21am doctorjazz: Weird, @Fred. Mix of very hectic and very quiet, anxiety and boredom. Have started using teleconference to maintain social distancing and still "see" patients, which is taking a bit of getting used to on both our parts.
	9:28am DJpeterDE: Has anyone seen Anthony Davis’s Pulitzer Prize-winning opera?
	9:29am Jeff Golick: I have not, @DJpeterDE! Have you? I was so glad to see him get that recognition. Pulled a bunch of Davis for the show; we'll see what we can get to.
	9:33am DJpeterDE: I haven’t seen it and was hoping for a first-hand report. I’m also playing Davis on my show Tuesday, focusing on his compositions from 1972 up to the Malcolm X opera. (WVUD.org 10p-midnight EDT)
	9:34am Jeff Golick: Excellent! Looking for to that, @DJpeterDE.
	9:34am Andrew Waterloo: good morning
	9:35am TDK60: This helps..
	9:35am Jeff Golick: Hi, @Andrew Waterloo!
	🥁 9:41am doctorjazz: I often sleep past the first set, glad I'm up today, really enjoying it!
	9:42am Dave In St Albans UK: Hi Jeff. Decided on being IN today after yesterday's scorching weather and an 8 mile walk! Today is cooler and windy. Great show btw.
	9:43am Jeff Golick: Hello, @Dave In St Albans UK! Welcome IN. And thanks!
	9:44am DJpeterDE: Where did you hike, Dave?
	9:46am StringOFperils: Good morning OUT crowd, happy...whatdayizzit?
	9:47am Dave In St Albans UK: From home to the new Heartwood forest nearby and Noman's Land common and back! Too hot though. Lovely spot to relax and enjoy some views.
	9:48am TDK60: It was wintery yesterday in NYC.
	9:49am Jeff Golick: Darned if I know, @StringOFperils, but always a good one when you're around.
	9:50am TDK60: ..don't know what day it was but it was yesterday.
	9:51am Dave In St Albans UK: Definitely losing track of which day it is. :-(
	🥁 9:52am hyde: This is ideal music for making Japanese potato salad
	🥁 9:53am doctorjazz: We had a 5 minute blizzard late afternoon yesterday in Central Joisey. Today looks nice, high supposed to be around 60. A bit achy from getting all my daughter's stuff home from her college share house.
	9:53am fred: These two tracks were not what I expected from Okkyung Lee, looks like an interesting record
	9:54am Jeff Golick: Yeah, @fred, it's taking me a little while to get with the new Okkyung Lee. Lovely stuff, but like you said, not what I expected.
	9:55am DJpeterDE: Hyde is that with Japanese mayonnaise?
	🥁 9:56am hyde: @DJpeterDE yep, it's got the Kewpie
	9:56am Jeff Golick: Well done, @doc. We need to sign up for a six-hour window in which to retrieve my son's belongings from his college dorm room. I fully expect that the room is now inhabited by sentient mold.
	9:57am DJpeterDE: @hyde kawaii!
	🥁 9:58am Listener Gregory: @Dave in St Albans UK, if you had only been in St. Albans, Vermont, you would have had enough snow to make a small snowperson.
	9:58am StringOFperils: Ha ha ha. Sentient mold.
	9:58am DJpeterDE: @jeff Hazmat suit in order?
	9:59am StringOFperils: St. Albans, Vermont. That's where my maternal great grandmother came from.
	🥁 9:59am WR: Nusaws first hour because I was out grocery shopping
	10:00am Jeff Golick: @WR, how'd that go? One of the more stressful activities these days, I find. Welcome.
	🥁 10:01am hyde: Jeff's dorm story reminded me that when I was in college, I went home for a six week break, and forgot there were two burgers in the freezer of my unplugged dorm fridge. That sure smelled bad
	10:01am Jeff Golick: I mean, I just found a piece of petrified banana peel in his room here at home, and he's only been here about ten days.
	🥁 10:03am chresti: Morning Jeff and people OUT theres!
	10:04am Jeff Golick: Greetings, @chresti!
	10:05am Dave In St Albans UK: I can dream that I am in St Albans Vermont! The change would do me good.
	10:08am Dave In St Albans UK: Jeff, my two teenage boys secretly deposit all kinds of food and discard partly used drinks everywhere. Usually discover the pre-mold cast offs by smell!
	10:10am StringOFperils: @Dave..I was just tyoing that you're sitting on more fabulous archaeology where you are, and...ha ha..I guess that proves it.
	10:10am DJpeterDE: @jeff at least he’s eating fruit
	10:10am DJpeterDE: @string LOL
	10:12am Franco Twinkie: Good marnin' Jeff!
	🥁 10:15am WR: Eeeeeewee Kewpie mayo. One of biggest culture shock I've had in Japan is Kewpie mayo on broccoli. In potato salad, if used in moderation, well ok.
	10:16am Dave In St Albans UK: @StringOFperils At least the Romans didn't leave pre-mold cast offs in the quantities that my boys do!
	10:16am DJpeterDE: Interesting, Jeff’s comment re vocals made me realize “I’m not into jazz vocals (generally) but I am really all-in into specific vocalists” (Celine McLorin Salvant, Betty Carter above all)
	🥁 10:18am WR: I pre-ordered the Okkyung Lee and look forward sitting with it tomorrow, first day of 2 week staycation. The blurb points out this is first recording of her compositions that deeply looks back at her Korean upbringing.
	10:19am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @Franco Twinkie!
	10:21am DJpeterDE: @jeff who are the bass and drums here?
	10:21am Jeff Golick: Trio is Pat Thomas / Joel Grip (b) / Antonin Gerbal (ds)
	10:22am TDK60: Morning Franco, Chresti.
	10:23am DJpeterDE: As a bassist myself, I approve of the surname Grip
	10:23am StringOFperils: Yep. Call me a philistine, but I'd rather be listening to this beautiful sound than listening to Ella doing A Tisket A Tasket A Bloody F***ing Yellow Basket, which is like slow torture to me. Ok, go ahead purist jazz zealots, put the boot in, don't be gentle, I can take it....
	10:24am Jeff Golick: With the addition of Seymour Wright, this group becomes Ahmed, also represented by Arabic letters for maximum non-google-ability (in the non-Arabic-speaking world, at least).
	🥁 10:27am Doug Schulkind: Aaaaaaaaaargghhhhh! Happy Mothra's Day!
	10:27am StringOFperils: And on a positive note, btw, this show is awesome, and I am deeply thankful for it. There I said that too. :)
	10:29am Jeff Golick: YAY, @StringOFperils! That warms my heart. And then there's...Mothra? Happy Mothra's Day to you, too, Dougzilla.
	🥁 10:29am Listener Gregory: @StringOP, It is said that Ella hated that song. My sense is that the classic jazz vocalists (like her) did what could be done in that vein. If one does not engage in "extended technique" of some kind, just singing jazz songs is not very interesting. It's nice if you're out having cocktails or something.
	10:29am StringOFperils: "Let's not get all sticky about it Mother." ___William March__The Bad Seed
	10:29am DJpeterDE: I finally figured to search for Umlaut Records on bandcamp instead of the band name, but still don’t see the album!
	🥁 10:30am Listener Gregory: @Doug, that's only the back pain talking.
	10:33am Jeff Golick: Here it is on the label's site, @DJpeterDE: www.umlautrecords.com...
	10:33am Jeff Golick: Read the The Bad Seed a while back. Not a great book to give to an expecting mom.
	🥁 10:34am WR: This is first time since March I haven't treated going to the store as a mission where I have my list and get in and out asap (hence my missing the first hour of DO today.) The selection was back to let's say 70 % of what was usual. And our normal used to be to buy basic essentials and anything else only if on sale. While I was still a bit price sensitive today I got what I wanted, so total was 50% more than usual. I did indulge in beef since I will have time to cook during the staycation and selection was good. But $3 for a sleeve of garlic, OMG.
	10:35am Jeff Golick: Good work, @WR. I went to the Park Slope Food Coop on Friday, and treated it like I was going on a Navy SEAL expedition. Waited 80 minutes to get in, then spent more $$ on groceries that I ever have before by a factor of two. At least no one can say, "We have nothing to eat!" for another couple of days.
	🥁 10:36am duke: Is م = ism Elon Musk's kid's name?
	10:37am TDK60: ..went to an all-night supermarket last night, after midnight. It /was/ a mission, by bicycle. My cashier had on ski goggles, hat, rain suit, gloves, he looked sharp.
	🥁 10:37am Doug Schulkind: @Listener Gregory I've been doubled over so long I'm...I'm...octupled.
	10:39am StringOFperils: Been down so long it looks like octopi to me. Sounds like an unissued Captain Beefheart record.
	🥁 10:39am WR: I still have a couple of Pat Thomas recordings book marked, probably from previous DO episodes, for my next budgeted digital recording purchase.
	10:41am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @duke. That kid might one day wish it was.
	10:42am DJpeterDE: Heading out for groceries myself, locally owned store out in the burbs doesn’t charge for curbside delivery, really appreciate them!
	🥁 10:43am WR: I've not yet pulled out my phone camera to get scene like that TDK60. want to do so soon, but unfortunately I think I have plenty of time for that.
	🥁 10:43am doctorjazz: I for the Past Thomas/Cafe Oto Ellington recording (yes, heard it here), which is terrific, WR!
	10:46am Jeff Golick: Good luck and godspeed, @DJpeterDE!
	🥁 10:46am WR: Yes, doctorjazz the Thomas Ellington is one of them. I'm happy to pay OTO for it to support them, but went a bit too far on the bandcamp no charge fee to musicians day, so waiting a few weeks.
	10:47am fred: @doctorjazz: Did the end of furlough brought the end of you music purchase fasting?
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: I like many jazz vocalists (Ella, Sassy, Dinah Washington, Billie, Blossom Deary, Jimmy Rushing-the classics, I suppose), seem to be the outlier)
	🥁 10:48am Listener Gregory: @doctor, I like them too! But contemporary singers generally strike me as "Billie Holliday did a version of that, and you're going to try to beat it?" Now I prefer Meredith Monk or someone who isn't competing in the same ballpark.
	🥁 10:50am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, you remarked on the length of the "= ism" piece. It would be easy to put together a show of very long pieces. But could you make up a whole show of the sort of music you play with only pieces <= 4 minutes, say? Maybe you've done this, and I've forgotten.
	🥁 10:51am chresti: Morning TDK60.
	🥁 10:52am doctorjazz: @Fred- I'm still watching it some...intermittent fasting is the current way to refer to it. Trying to clear the backlog of stuff I haven't had time to listen to. And, not being home 24/7 gives me less listening time again. But I have sprung for things here and there.
	10:54am Andrew Waterloo: I once made a mix CD of short grind core tracks, it had 104 tracks.
	🥁 10:55am doctorjazz: @LG, I have to say, haven't paid much attention to contemporary jazz singers either. (Feel a bit like contemporary blues singers, trying to recapture what was a popular music out of its natural environment)
	10:55am fred: @Listener Gregory: To be fair, Meredith Monk built a ballpark of her own. I like what Audrey Chen has been doing in the past few years (though I miss her take on the cello)
	10:55am Wolfie: Hello, dear outrés. This is a lovely Destination.
	10:56am DJpeterDE: @LG I like all of them too, like Ella and Vaughan big dont obsess about them (meaning: collect virtually everything of theirs) as I have with Dinah & Rushing
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: @Fred, will check out Audrey Chen, thanks.
	10:57am Wolfie: That is fantastic news for Anthony Davis!! Love his stuff with Abdul Wadud and James Newton!!
	10:59am StringOFperils: Part of the issue with jazz vocalizing is the choice to interpret a 'standard', as a starting point, as opposed to breaking out of that completely. After a few decades of that strategy, it gets tired. I too actually like many jazz vocalists, from Al Hibbler to Johnny Hartman to Norma Winstone to Annette Peacock...etc. Jazz vocalizing is easy to complain about though, because so much of has eagerly embraced cheesiness...to the point where it almost falls in with exotica.
	10:59am DJpeterDE: Many of Anthony Davis 70s records also OOP (India navigation, MPS, etc)
	🥁 11:02am Listener Gregory: I thought Cassandra Wilson did a good job of breaking the jazz vocalist mold, but after half a dozen albums, I wasn't hearing anything new. Most of her work is worth hearing, though.
	11:02am Jeff Golick: Hey and welcome, @Stork (aka Wolfie)!
	11:04am Jeff Golick: I wore out that Blue Skies record of hers, @LG. Also to your earlier question, I've never done a sub-4-minute show, but during Singles Going Steady week in October, I do try to keep things under 7/8 minutes or so. That's as low as I can go. I am not a professional, after all.
	🥁 11:05am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, well, consider it a challenge. And if you were a professional, you wouldn't be playing this music, and we wouldn't be listening to you, so thank God for that!
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: Know (and love) the stuff with James Newton, not that well versed in the rest.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, DOers
	11:10am Wolfie: The stereo image on this recording is blowing my pea-brain!! Cans on for this one! (Under the Double Moon). Jay Hoggard!! Criminally underrated!
	11:10am Wolfie: Hiya, coel!!
	🥁 11:11am Listener Gregory: My vague memory is that Jay Hoggard started out doing things like this and then transitioned to something more like smooth jazz. Is that wrong?
	🥁 11:14am Listener Gregory: @Doug, by the way, I forgot to express my sympathies for your back situation. The Captain Beefheart octopus image distracted me. Hope you can resolve it soon.
	🥁 11:17am doctorjazz: This is where I first heard Davis, love "Hocket..." Such an interesting construction
	11:18am fred: @Listener Gregory: I must confess I have no idea what Audrey Chen released. I only saw her live (including a great performance with Phil Minton). And that was eons ago, back when live shows existed
	11:18am Jeff Golick: Good to see ya @coelacanth∅!
	11:19am StringOFperils: Now I feel guilty for two things. Dissing jazz vocals, and throwing an octopus on the rails.
	🥁 11:19am WR: While we can wish Anthony Davis did more work as band leader pianist it is great that he continues to write the operas.
	11:19am Jeff Golick: Let's be honest, just about everything connected to jazz can be dissed rather easily.
	🥁 11:20am Listener Gregory: And has been dissed at some point.
	11:21am Uncle Michael: hey hey
	11:22am StringOFperils: I suppose, like most things, if it was something done by people, I can probably find some way to complain about it. That's art school for ya.
	11:23am Jeff Golick: Hey hey hey, it's @Uncle Michael!
	🥁 11:23am doctorjazz: No need to feel bad, @String, we like what we like. (Anyone here or other FMU shows CANNOT be faulted for narrow listening preferences).
	11:24am Uncle Michael: And I'm gonna sing a song for you And Jeff's gonna show you a thing or two You'll have some fun now with me and all the gang Learning from each other while we do our thing Na, na, na, gonna have a good time
	🥁 11:24am Listener Gregory: @doctorjazz, but if someone doesn't like what I like, then I do fault their narrow listening preferences!
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: Is that narrow of me???
	11:25am StringOFperils: Ha ha ha UM. That's some kinda hinky-dinky hokum ho haw that is.
	11:26am Wolfie: We just got Booshed, folks!!
	🥁 11:28am Listener Gregory: You're going deep, Jeff. (New Dalta Ahkri)
	🥁 11:28am Doug Schulkind: That was the Great British Bake Off guy!
	11:28am fred: @StringOfperils: I thought law school was were you were taught how to complain. But the mere mention of art school brings another hit: the Paris art school has a great open doors event in late June, with plenty of stuff to see, live bands and cheap beer (I take a day off from work to go there, and it's never enough). It probably won't happen this year
	11:30am Jeff Golick: The Kabell comp that Tzadik/Zorn put out is one of the great things that label did.
	11:30am Uncle Michael: No one misses art school critiques.
	🥁 11:31am Listener Gregory: @Fred, could they just provide the cheap beer? In a distanced way?
	11:33am Uncle Michael: I just made asparagus vichyssoise. It's chilling. It gets served garnished with mint cream and asparagus tips.
	11:33am StringOFperils: Art school critiques, for some of us at least, need to be endured long enough to learn that art school critiques define the catch-all term 'rabbit hole'. Then, after a little therapy, you get to move on.
	11:34am StringOFperils: UM !
	11:34am Jeff Golick: YUM, @UM. I bought donuts at the farmer's market earlier.
	🥁 11:34am Doug Schulkind: The thought of you making an asparagus vichyssoise is indeed chilling Uncle Michael.
	11:35am Uncle Michael: Art school critiques are where bullshit gets elevated to...well, an art form. I always wanted to deliver an artists statement, standing next to a bare plinth. I'd bullshit about the meaning of nothingness for ten minutes the walk out the first time anyone in the class opened their mouth to speak.
	11:36am StringOFperils: Get that man a giant NEA grant!
	11:38am Uncle Michael: The Art of Performative Bullshit
	🥁 11:38am Listener Gregory: I got strawberries at the freezing farmers' market yesterday. I had very low expectations. Tried them today, and they are unbelievably good! So there still is some hope for the world. Will consider making strawberry vichyssoise of the remainder.
	11:39am Jeff Golick: The complicated thing is, being able to think critically about stuff, and look beyond the surface of things, is an incredibly important skill. Not for the purposes of bullshitting your peers, but for, y'know, reading the news and such.
	11:39am Uncle Michael: "But, what are you trying to sayyyyyy?" "What does it evoke for youuuuuu?" It's like some sort of masterbatory, intellectual ping pong.
	11:40am StringOFperils: Performative meta-Language and Ubiquitous Plurality in the Late-Capitalist Field and other Mental snack Crackers
	11:41am fred: It's silly, but still way above the level of discourse at any business school
	11:41am Uncle Michael: "Perhaps this is a pipe."
	11:42am StringOFperils: Perhaps I'm hitting you over the head with a pipe, while demanding that you increase my annual grant funding.
	11:43am Uncle Michael: Seriously, conceptualism is best served by NOT articulating the concept. When the whole point is "what the ever-loning fuck?", for god's sake...don't answer the question!
	11:43am Jeff Golick: Tom Wolfe's The Painted Word does a good job of dressing the art world down, if you're looking for a slim hit job.
	🥁 11:43am Listener Gregory: Research re: the first cut in this set: Jay Hoggard hasn't put out an album since 2009, and only on his own label since 2003.
	🥁 11:43am Listener Gregory: @UM. Yes.
	🥁 11:44am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, contemporary art is even easier to dis than jazz. But the hit jobs ignore the few fantastic works that do come out and change the way we think or see the world.
	11:44am Uncle Michael: I mean, "here, let me un-blow your mind". NO!
	11:45am StringOFperils: The more recent 'Playing To The Gallery' by British artist Grayson Perry is also an amusing and clear-seeing talk about the art world and all that...
	11:45am Jeff Golick: @LG thanks for that. I similarly have a sense that Hoggard strayed from the One True Path, but am not really sure where he went.
	11:47am Jeff Golick: @LG, and agreed. I'm not a fan of Wolfe's take -- he's pretty regressive -- and am more sympathetic to conceptual stuff than he is -- but it works as a critique of it all.
	11:47am Uncle Michael: Warhol liked to watch people jerk off. I'm sure when people were jerking off over his work, he adored it. But he just watched. He didn't help.
	11:47am StringOFperils: I feel your nausea UM. It's unfortunate that it's like that. It undermines itself. ON the other hand, I've grown to appreciate the overt foppishness of that world. So much easier to be a real person.
	11:49am StringOFperils: Andy recognized the big wank very early on.
	🥁 11:50am doctorjazz: Great tribute, Jeff! Rest of the show as well, thanks. Nice week all!
	11:50am Uncle Michael: It's a bargain an artist decides to make ot not. Anyone can make anything they want, and refuse to explain it. But the likelihood is that if you refuse to play the game, you choose to excuse yourself from the marketplace. You have to be fortunate enough to have the priesthood explain you to themselves, otherwise. That rarely happens.
	11:50am DJpeterDE: Back from grocery run, relieved that Jeff’s A Davis playlist only slightly overlaps with my Tuesday show. 2/6 is good.
	11:51am Jeff Golick: I think the problem is often in the assessment. There are a lot of folks describing difficult art who have no business doing so, and can elevate a lot of crap in the process.
	11:51am fred: I think The Nihilist Spasm Band's Bill Exley did the definitive art/corporate speech in "I have nothing to say". I suggested that as a translation for a coworker who is tasked with translating the musings of the director of my workplace to English
	11:52am Jeff Golick: Glad to hear it, @DJpeterDE -- really didn't want to steal your thunder.
	🥁 11:52am Listener Gregory: I think there are a number of well thought-of artists who provide no clues to what they are thinking, @UM. Or, like Yoko Ono, they say things like, "This work is trying to nail the sky to the gallery ceiling." Then you are back to thinking your own thoughts, which is the whole point of conceptual art.
	11:52am Uncle Michael: If I could tell you what's in my heart with words, I'd practice poetry, for fuck's sake.
	11:53am Uncle Michael: I agree, LG.
	🥁 11:54am chresti: I did not enjoy art school critiques. It's a painting, okay? No, it's not about vaginas with teeth.
	11:55am spodiodi: "you think you are god" was my fave
	11:55am coelacanth∅: (sometimes a snake is a snake)
	11:55am Jeff Golick: My favorite recent conceptual art story was discovering that Matthew Barney was a J. Crew model for a time.
	🥁 11:56am Listener Gregory: @chresti, I think it is!
	11:56am Uncle Michael: I want to see a comedy sketch were someone portrays Anthony Quinn's Gauguin enduring an art school critique.
	11:56am fred: We're about to end the lockdown over here. A politician just said he trusted the intelligence and understanding of cops and the population. We're doomed
	11:56am spodiodi: greetings, Jeff & all
	11:57am Sem: Thank you, Jeff. Have a good week, all.
	11:57am Uncle Michael: fred, you are, indeed
	11:57am spodiodi: to heck with this rush to open everything
	11:57am Uncle Michael: thank you, Jeff!
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Hi, @spodiodi!
	🥁 11:58am hyde: Thanks!
	🥁 11:58am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	11:58am Jeff Golick: You, too, @Sem! Thanks, @UM! You're a poet though you don't know it. Take care, @hyde!
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: @spodiodi, strong words, but these are difficult times. TV commercials tell me so.
	11:59am spodiodi: bye Sem
	11:59am fred: Over already? Thanks Jeff!
	11:59am Jeff Golick: My pleasure, @chresti!
	11:59am spodiodi: bicky bicky bye bye?
	11:59am Doug Schulkind: Name a creative arts sibling duo loftier than Thulani and Anthony Davis.
	11:59am StringOFperils: The 'art world' is a business like any other. This is capitalism, and we're swimming in that medium. So, it's rife with new-product language, seasonal catch-phrases, formal tropes (gawd, I got so sick of snarling dogs and rabbit heads in the 80s), and as with all other employment hierarchies, there's bullshit: sycophantic bullshit, self-marketing bullshit, self-ideation bullshit, essentialness to a general public bullshit, and probably the biggest bullshit of all is that that public has no ideas about anything and it needs the world explained to it, in the most obfuscatory fairy tales it's willing to pay for.
	11:59am Wolfie: Great great set Jeff!! C'mon over The Stork, folks! It's My Mother's Day!! OK, yours too.
	11:59am StringOFperils: Wow. Time! Thanks for the show....!!
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: Jeff, in these uncertain times, it is great to know that when I turn on your show, I am completely uncertain what you will play. The Davis set reminds me of how good he is. Thanks! Damn that flute!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! take care
	12:00pm spodiodi: thanks, Jeff
	🥁 12:01pm WR: Thank you!
	12:02pm Jeff Golick: Bye, everyone, @WR, @spodiodi, @coel, @LG, @StringOFperils, @Wolfie, @Doug (I didn't know that!), @fred, and one and all!

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May 10, 2020: A Walk through the Shadow with Anthony Davis et al.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:03 (Pop-up)
Priscilla Ermel	Gestos de Equilibrio	Outro Tempo: Electronic and Contemporary Music from Brazil 1978-1992	Music from Memory	1989/2017		0:06:09 (Pop-up)
Okkyung Lee	the yellow porcelain bird	Yeo-Neun	Shelter Press	2020		0:14:36 (Pop-up)
Darius Jones Quartet featuring Emilie Lesbros	Quand Vient la Nuit	Le bébé de Brigitte (Lost in Translation)	AUM Fidelity	2015		0:18:29 (Pop-up)
Golden Retriever & Chuck Johnson	Sage Thrasher	Rain Shadow	Thrill Jockey	2020		0:25:38 (Pop-up)
Okkyung Lee	another old story (옛날이야기)	Yeo-Neun	Shelter Press	2020		0:37:45 (Pop-up)
Kraftwerk	Ananas Symphonie "Ananas Symphonie" by "Kraftwerk"	Ralf & Florian	Philips	1973		0:40:50 (Pop-up)
Sam Prekop	Faces and People "Faces and People" by "Sam Prekop"	Sam Prekop	Thrill Jockey	1999		0:55:03 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"					1:01:09 (Pop-up)
م = ism	Marguerite "Marguerite" by "م = ism"	Metaphor	Umlaut Records	2019	Pat Thomas / Joel Grip / Antonin Gerbal	1:11:12 (Pop-up)
Bunny Lee Allstars	Joe Lewis "Joe Lewis" by "Bunny Lee Allstars"	Full Up: Bunny "Striker" Lee's Early Reggae Productions 1968-72				1:41:09 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"					1:44:18 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis & Jay Hoggard	Under the Double Moon: Wayang No. IV	Under the Double Moon	MPS Records	1981		1:52:56 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis	A Walk through the Shadow	Epistēmē	Gramavision	1981		2:03:48 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis/James Newton Quartet	Hocket in the Pocket	Hidden Voices	India Navigation	1979		2:08:48 (Pop-up)
Oliver Lake	Comous "Comous" by "Oliver Lake"	Life Dance of Is	Arista Novus	1978		2:14:29 (Pop-up)
New Dalta Ahkri	Of Blues and Dreams	Song Of Humanity = Kanto Pri Homaro	Kabell Records	1977		2:18:54 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis	Mvt II: Little Richard's New Wave	Hemispheres	Gramavision	1983		2:30:00 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis	Behind the Rock "Behind the Rock" by "Anthony Davis"	Past . Present . Future: Live at the Western Front 1985-2015	Western Front New Music	1985/2016		2:39:33 (Pop-up)
Anthony Davis	Wayang V: II. Undine	Notes from the Underground	BMOP/sound	2014		2:46:57 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:55:40 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am listener james from westwood: Good Sunday morning, Jeff and all!
	9:02am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: Howdy, @listener james and @holland oats! Please stand by!
	🥁 9:05am Listener Gregory: I am sitting by.
	9:06am fred: Hello Jeff and listeners. Technical difficulties on WFMU mean some things are still normal in this world
	9:07am Jeff Golick: That is also fine, @Listener Gregory. Ha! I suppose that's true, @fred!
	🥁 9:08am hyde: gooooood morning
	9:08am alan r: Bingo. You're on!
	🥁 9:08am Listener Gregory: Some are born congliptious, some achieve congliptiousness, some have congliptiousness thrust upon them. I am in the last category.
	9:10am Jeff Golick: Welcome and hellooo, @hyde, and @alan r!
	🥁 9:12am doctorjazz: Hello all!
	🥁 9:14am doctorjazz: Germany is 6 hours ahead of NY/Eastern Standard Time.
	9:14am Sem: Hello and good morning, Jeff, from the recently snowed upon shores of the mighty Bay of Fundy, and D:O folk in all climes, temperate or not.
	9:14am DJpeterDE: Good morning! Sun is out in DE
	9:16am fred: @doctorjazz: How did your return to work go?
	9:17am TDK60: Morning Jeff and Out folks, though we're mostly In.
	9:19am rw: Good morning and happy Mother’s Day!
	🥁 9:19am Listener Gregory: It appears to be above freezing outside. This is an accomplishment.
	9:20am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @doctorjazz, @Sem, @DJpeterDE, @TDK60, and @rw! You are wonderful to see in any time zone. Or temperate zone.
	🥁 9:21am doctorjazz: Weird, @Fred. Mix of very hectic and very quiet, anxiety and boredom. Have started using teleconference to maintain social distancing and still "see" patients, which is taking a bit of getting used to on both our parts.
	9:28am DJpeterDE: Has anyone seen Anthony Davis’s Pulitzer Prize-winning opera?
	9:29am Jeff Golick: I have not, @DJpeterDE! Have you? I was so glad to see him get that recognition. Pulled a bunch of Davis for the show; we'll see what we can get to.
	9:33am DJpeterDE: I haven’t seen it and was hoping for a first-hand report. I’m also playing Davis on my show Tuesday, focusing on his compositions from 1972 up to the Malcolm X opera. (WVUD.org 10p-midnight EDT)
	9:34am Jeff Golick: Excellent! Looking for to that, @DJpeterDE.
	9:34am Andrew Waterloo: good morning
	9:35am TDK60: This helps..
	9:35am Jeff Golick: Hi, @Andrew Waterloo!
	🥁 9:41am doctorjazz: I often sleep past the first set, glad I'm up today, really enjoying it!
	9:42am Dave In St Albans UK: Hi Jeff. Decided on being IN today after yesterday's scorching weather and an 8 mile walk! Today is cooler and windy. Great show btw.
	9:43am Jeff Golick: Hello, @Dave In St Albans UK! Welcome IN. And thanks!
	9:44am DJpeterDE: Where did you hike, Dave?
	9:46am StringOFperils: Good morning OUT crowd, happy...whatdayizzit?
	9:47am Dave In St Albans UK: From home to the new Heartwood forest nearby and Noman's Land common and back! Too hot though. Lovely spot to relax and enjoy some views.
	9:48am TDK60: It was wintery yesterday in NYC.
	9:49am Jeff Golick: Darned if I know, @StringOFperils, but always a good one when you're around.
	9:50am TDK60: ..don't know what day it was but it was yesterday.
	9:51am Dave In St Albans UK: Definitely losing track of which day it is. :-(
	🥁 9:52am hyde: This is ideal music for making Japanese potato salad
	🥁 9:53am doctorjazz: We had a 5 minute blizzard late afternoon yesterday in Central Joisey. Today looks nice, high supposed to be around 60. A bit achy from getting all my daughter's stuff home from her college share house.
	9:53am fred: These two tracks were not what I expected from Okkyung Lee, looks like an interesting record
	9:54am Jeff Golick: Yeah, @fred, it's taking me a little while to get with the new Okkyung Lee. Lovely stuff, but like you said, not what I expected.
	9:55am DJpeterDE: Hyde is that with Japanese mayonnaise?
	🥁 9:56am hyde: @DJpeterDE yep, it's got the Kewpie
	9:56am Jeff Golick: Well done, @doc. We need to sign up for a six-hour window in which to retrieve my son's belongings from his college dorm room. I fully expect that the room is now inhabited by sentient mold.
	9:57am DJpeterDE: @hyde kawaii!
	🥁 9:58am Listener Gregory: @Dave in St Albans UK, if you had only been in St. Albans, Vermont, you would have had enough snow to make a small snowperson.
	9:58am StringOFperils: Ha ha ha. Sentient mold.
	9:58am DJpeterDE: @jeff Hazmat suit in order?
	9:59am StringOFperils: St. Albans, Vermont. That's where my maternal great grandmother came from.
	🥁 9:59am WR: Nusaws first hour because I was out grocery shopping
	10:00am Jeff Golick: @WR, how'd that go? One of the more stressful activities these days, I find. Welcome.
	🥁 10:01am hyde: Jeff's dorm story reminded me that when I was in college, I went home for a six week break, and forgot there were two burgers in the freezer of my unplugged dorm fridge. That sure smelled bad
	10:01am Jeff Golick: I mean, I just found a piece of petrified banana peel in his room here at home, and he's only been here about ten days.
	🥁 10:03am chresti: Morning Jeff and people OUT theres!
	10:04am Jeff Golick: Greetings, @chresti!
	10:05am Dave In St Albans UK: I can dream that I am in St Albans Vermont! The change would do me good.
	10:08am Dave In St Albans UK: Jeff, my two teenage boys secretly deposit all kinds of food and discard partly used drinks everywhere. Usually discover the pre-mold cast offs by smell!
	10:10am StringOFperils: @Dave..I was just tyoing that you're sitting on more fabulous archaeology where you are, and...ha ha..I guess that proves it.
	10:10am DJpeterDE: @jeff at least he’s eating fruit
	10:10am DJpeterDE: @string LOL
	10:12am Franco Twinkie: Good marnin' Jeff!
	🥁 10:15am WR: Eeeeeewee Kewpie mayo. One of biggest culture shock I've had in Japan is Kewpie mayo on broccoli. In potato salad, if used in moderation, well ok.
	10:16am Dave In St Albans UK: @StringOFperils At least the Romans didn't leave pre-mold cast offs in the quantities that my boys do!
	10:16am DJpeterDE: Interesting, Jeff’s comment re vocals made me realize “I’m not into jazz vocals (generally) but I am really all-in into specific vocalists” (Celine McLorin Salvant, Betty Carter above all)
	🥁 10:18am WR: I pre-ordered the Okkyung Lee and look forward sitting with it tomorrow, first day of 2 week staycation. The blurb points out this is first recording of her compositions that deeply looks back at her Korean upbringing.
	10:19am Jeff Golick: Hiya, @Franco Twinkie!
	10:21am DJpeterDE: @jeff who are the bass and drums here?
	10:21am Jeff Golick: Trio is Pat Thomas / Joel Grip (b) / Antonin Gerbal (ds)
	10:22am TDK60: Morning Franco, Chresti.
	10:23am DJpeterDE: As a bassist myself, I approve of the surname Grip
	10:23am StringOFperils: Yep. Call me a philistine, but I'd rather be listening to this beautiful sound than listening to Ella doing A Tisket A Tasket A Bloody F***ing Yellow Basket, which is like slow torture to me. Ok, go ahead purist jazz zealots, put the boot in, don't be gentle, I can take it....
	10:24am Jeff Golick: With the addition of Seymour Wright, this group becomes Ahmed, also represented by Arabic letters for maximum non-google-ability (in the non-Arabic-speaking world, at least).
	🥁 10:27am Doug Schulkind: Aaaaaaaaaargghhhhh! Happy Mothra's Day!
	10:27am StringOFperils: And on a positive note, btw, this show is awesome, and I am deeply thankful for it. There I said that too. :)
	10:29am Jeff Golick: YAY, @StringOFperils! That warms my heart. And then there's...Mothra? Happy Mothra's Day to you, too, Dougzilla.
	🥁 10:29am Listener Gregory: @StringOP, It is said that Ella hated that song. My sense is that the classic jazz vocalists (like her) did what could be done in that vein. If one does not engage in "extended technique" of some kind, just singing jazz songs is not very interesting. It's nice if you're out having cocktails or something.
	10:29am StringOFperils: "Let's not get all sticky about it Mother." ___William March__The Bad Seed
	10:29am DJpeterDE: I finally figured to search for Umlaut Records on bandcamp instead of the band name, but still don’t see the album!
	🥁 10:30am Listener Gregory: @Doug, that's only the back pain talking.
	10:33am Jeff Golick: Here it is on the label's site, @DJpeterDE: www.umlautrecords.com...
	10:33am Jeff Golick: Read the The Bad Seed a while back. Not a great book to give to an expecting mom.
	🥁 10:34am WR: This is first time since March I haven't treated going to the store as a mission where I have my list and get in and out asap (hence my missing the first hour of DO today.) The selection was back to let's say 70 % of what was usual. And our normal used to be to buy basic essentials and anything else only if on sale. While I was still a bit price sensitive today I got what I wanted, so total was 50% more than usual. I did indulge in beef since I will have time to cook during the staycation and selection was good. But $3 for a sleeve of garlic, OMG.
	10:35am Jeff Golick: Good work, @WR. I went to the Park Slope Food Coop on Friday, and treated it like I was going on a Navy SEAL expedition. Waited 80 minutes to get in, then spent more $$ on groceries that I ever have before by a factor of two. At least no one can say, "We have nothing to eat!" for another couple of days.
	🥁 10:36am duke: Is م = ism Elon Musk's kid's name?
	10:37am TDK60: ..went to an all-night supermarket last night, after midnight. It /was/ a mission, by bicycle. My cashier had on ski goggles, hat, rain suit, gloves, he looked sharp.
	🥁 10:37am Doug Schulkind: @Listener Gregory I've been doubled over so long I'm...I'm...octupled.
	10:39am StringOFperils: Been down so long it looks like octopi to me. Sounds like an unissued Captain Beefheart record.
	🥁 10:39am WR: I still have a couple of Pat Thomas recordings book marked, probably from previous DO episodes, for my next budgeted digital recording purchase.
	10:41am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @duke. That kid might one day wish it was.
	10:42am DJpeterDE: Heading out for groceries myself, locally owned store out in the burbs doesn’t charge for curbside delivery, really appreciate them!
	🥁 10:43am WR: I've not yet pulled out my phone camera to get scene like that TDK60. want to do so soon, but unfortunately I think I have plenty of time for that.
	🥁 10:43am doctorjazz: I for the Past Thomas/Cafe Oto Ellington recording (yes, heard it here), which is terrific, WR!
	10:46am Jeff Golick: Good luck and godspeed, @DJpeterDE!
	🥁 10:46am WR: Yes, doctorjazz the Thomas Ellington is one of them. I'm happy to pay OTO for it to support them, but went a bit too far on the bandcamp no charge fee to musicians day, so waiting a few weeks.
	10:47am fred: @doctorjazz: Did the end of furlough brought the end of you music purchase fasting?
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: I like many jazz vocalists (Ella, Sassy, Dinah Washington, Billie, Blossom Deary, Jimmy Rushing-the classics, I suppose), seem to be the outlier)
	🥁 10:48am Listener Gregory: @doctor, I like them too! But contemporary singers generally strike me as "Billie Holliday did a version of that, and you're going to try to beat it?" Now I prefer Meredith Monk or someone who isn't competing in the same ballpark.
	🥁 10:50am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, you remarked on the length of the "= ism" piece. It would be easy to put together a show of very long pieces. But could you make up a whole show of the sort of music you play with only pieces <= 4 minutes, say? Maybe you've done this, and I've forgotten.
	🥁 10:51am chresti: Morning TDK60.
	🥁 10:52am doctorjazz: @Fred- I'm still watching it some...intermittent fasting is the current way to refer to it. Trying to clear the backlog of stuff I haven't had time to listen to. And, not being home 24/7 gives me less listening time again. But I have sprung for things here and there.
	10:54am Andrew Waterloo: I once made a mix CD of short grind core tracks, it had 104 tracks.
	🥁 10:55am doctorjazz: @LG, I have to say, haven't paid much attention to contemporary jazz singers either. (Feel a bit like contemporary blues singers, trying to recapture what was a popular music out of its natural environment)
	10:55am fred: @Listener Gregory: To be fair, Meredith Monk built a ballpark of her own. I like what Audrey Chen has been doing in the past few years (though I miss her take on the cello)
	10:55am Wolfie: Hello, dear outrés. This is a lovely Destination.
	10:56am DJpeterDE: @LG I like all of them too, like Ella and Vaughan big dont obsess about them (meaning: collect virtually everything of theirs) as I have with Dinah & Rushing
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: @Fred, will check out Audrey Chen, thanks.
	10:57am Wolfie: That is fantastic news for Anthony Davis!! Love his stuff with Abdul Wadud and James Newton!!
	10:59am StringOFperils: Part of the issue with jazz vocalizing is the choice to interpret a 'standard', as a starting point, as opposed to breaking out of that completely. After a few decades of that strategy, it gets tired. I too actually like many jazz vocalists, from Al Hibbler to Johnny Hartman to Norma Winstone to Annette Peacock...etc. Jazz vocalizing is easy to complain about though, because so much of has eagerly embraced cheesiness...to the point where it almost falls in with exotica.
	10:59am DJpeterDE: Many of Anthony Davis 70s records also OOP (India navigation, MPS, etc)
	🥁 11:02am Listener Gregory: I thought Cassandra Wilson did a good job of breaking the jazz vocalist mold, but after half a dozen albums, I wasn't hearing anything new. Most of her work is worth hearing, though.
	11:02am Jeff Golick: Hey and welcome, @Stork (aka Wolfie)!
	11:04am Jeff Golick: I wore out that Blue Skies record of hers, @LG. Also to your earlier question, I've never done a sub-4-minute show, but during Singles Going Steady week in October, I do try to keep things under 7/8 minutes or so. That's as low as I can go. I am not a professional, after all.
	🥁 11:05am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, well, consider it a challenge. And if you were a professional, you wouldn't be playing this music, and we wouldn't be listening to you, so thank God for that!
	🥁 11:05am doctorjazz: Know (and love) the stuff with James Newton, not that well versed in the rest.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, DOers
	11:10am Wolfie: The stereo image on this recording is blowing my pea-brain!! Cans on for this one! (Under the Double Moon). Jay Hoggard!! Criminally underrated!
	11:10am Wolfie: Hiya, coel!!
	🥁 11:11am Listener Gregory: My vague memory is that Jay Hoggard started out doing things like this and then transitioned to something more like smooth jazz. Is that wrong?
	🥁 11:14am Listener Gregory: @Doug, by the way, I forgot to express my sympathies for your back situation. The Captain Beefheart octopus image distracted me. Hope you can resolve it soon.
	🥁 11:17am doctorjazz: This is where I first heard Davis, love "Hocket..." Such an interesting construction
	11:18am fred: @Listener Gregory: I must confess I have no idea what Audrey Chen released. I only saw her live (including a great performance with Phil Minton). And that was eons ago, back when live shows existed
	11:18am Jeff Golick: Good to see ya @coelacanth∅!
	11:19am StringOFperils: Now I feel guilty for two things. Dissing jazz vocals, and throwing an octopus on the rails.
	🥁 11:19am WR: While we can wish Anthony Davis did more work as band leader pianist it is great that he continues to write the operas.
	11:19am Jeff Golick: Let's be honest, just about everything connected to jazz can be dissed rather easily.
	🥁 11:20am Listener Gregory: And has been dissed at some point.
	11:21am Uncle Michael: hey hey
	11:22am StringOFperils: I suppose, like most things, if it was something done by people, I can probably find some way to complain about it. That's art school for ya.
	11:23am Jeff Golick: Hey hey hey, it's @Uncle Michael!
	🥁 11:23am doctorjazz: No need to feel bad, @String, we like what we like. (Anyone here or other FMU shows CANNOT be faulted for narrow listening preferences).
	11:24am Uncle Michael: And I'm gonna sing a song for you And Jeff's gonna show you a thing or two You'll have some fun now with me and all the gang Learning from each other while we do our thing Na, na, na, gonna have a good time
	🥁 11:24am Listener Gregory: @doctorjazz, but if someone doesn't like what I like, then I do fault their narrow listening preferences!
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: Is that narrow of me???
	11:25am StringOFperils: Ha ha ha UM. That's some kinda hinky-dinky hokum ho haw that is.
	11:26am Wolfie: We just got Booshed, folks!!
	🥁 11:28am Listener Gregory: You're going deep, Jeff. (New Dalta Ahkri)
	🥁 11:28am Doug Schulkind: That was the Great British Bake Off guy!
	11:28am fred: @StringOfperils: I thought law school was were you were taught how to complain. But the mere mention of art school brings another hit: the Paris art school has a great open doors event in late June, with plenty of stuff to see, live bands and cheap beer (I take a day off from work to go there, and it's never enough). It probably won't happen this year
	11:30am Jeff Golick: The Kabell comp that Tzadik/Zorn put out is one of the great things that label did.
	11:30am Uncle Michael: No one misses art school critiques.
	🥁 11:31am Listener Gregory: @Fred, could they just provide the cheap beer? In a distanced way?
	11:33am Uncle Michael: I just made asparagus vichyssoise. It's chilling. It gets served garnished with mint cream and asparagus tips.
	11:33am StringOFperils: Art school critiques, for some of us at least, need to be endured long enough to learn that art school critiques define the catch-all term 'rabbit hole'. Then, after a little therapy, you get to move on.
	11:34am StringOFperils: UM !
	11:34am Jeff Golick: YUM, @UM. I bought donuts at the farmer's market earlier.
	🥁 11:34am Doug Schulkind: The thought of you making an asparagus vichyssoise is indeed chilling Uncle Michael.
	11:35am Uncle Michael: Art school critiques are where bullshit gets elevated to...well, an art form. I always wanted to deliver an artists statement, standing next to a bare plinth. I'd bullshit about the meaning of nothingness for ten minutes the walk out the first time anyone in the class opened their mouth to speak.
	11:36am StringOFperils: Get that man a giant NEA grant!
	11:38am Uncle Michael: The Art of Performative Bullshit
	🥁 11:38am Listener Gregory: I got strawberries at the freezing farmers' market yesterday. I had very low expectations. Tried them today, and they are unbelievably good! So there still is some hope for the world. Will consider making strawberry vichyssoise of the remainder.
	11:39am Jeff Golick: The complicated thing is, being able to think critically about stuff, and look beyond the surface of things, is an incredibly important skill. Not for the purposes of bullshitting your peers, but for, y'know, reading the news and such.
	11:39am Uncle Michael: "But, what are you trying to sayyyyyy?" "What does it evoke for youuuuuu?" It's like some sort of masterbatory, intellectual ping pong.
	11:40am StringOFperils: Performative meta-Language and Ubiquitous Plurality in the Late-Capitalist Field and other Mental snack Crackers
	11:41am fred: It's silly, but still way above the level of discourse at any business school
	11:41am Uncle Michael: "Perhaps this is a pipe."
	11:42am StringOFperils: Perhaps I'm hitting you over the head with a pipe, while demanding that you increase my annual grant funding.
	11:43am Uncle Michael: Seriously, conceptualism is best served by NOT articulating the concept. When the whole point is "what the ever-loning fuck?", for god's sake...don't answer the question!
	11:43am Jeff Golick: Tom Wolfe's The Painted Word does a good job of dressing the art world down, if you're looking for a slim hit job.
	🥁 11:43am Listener Gregory: Research re: the first cut in this set: Jay Hoggard hasn't put out an album since 2009, and only on his own label since 2003.
	🥁 11:43am Listener Gregory: @UM. Yes.
	🥁 11:44am Listener Gregory: @Jeff, contemporary art is even easier to dis than jazz. But the hit jobs ignore the few fantastic works that do come out and change the way we think or see the world.
	11:44am Uncle Michael: I mean, "here, let me un-blow your mind". NO!
	11:45am StringOFperils: The more recent 'Playing To The Gallery' by British artist Grayson Perry is also an amusing and clear-seeing talk about the art world and all that...
	11:45am Jeff Golick: @LG thanks for that. I similarly have a sense that Hoggard strayed from the One True Path, but am not really sure where he went.
	11:47am Jeff Golick: @LG, and agreed. I'm not a fan of Wolfe's take -- he's pretty regressive -- and am more sympathetic to conceptual stuff than he is -- but it works as a critique of it all.
	11:47am Uncle Michael: Warhol liked to watch people jerk off. I'm sure when people were jerking off over his work, he adored it. But he just watched. He didn't help.
	11:47am StringOFperils: I feel your nausea UM. It's unfortunate that it's like that. It undermines itself. ON the other hand, I've grown to appreciate the overt foppishness of that world. So much easier to be a real person.
	11:49am StringOFperils: Andy recognized the big wank very early on.
	🥁 11:50am doctorjazz: Great tribute, Jeff! Rest of the show as well, thanks. Nice week all!
	11:50am Uncle Michael: It's a bargain an artist decides to make ot not. Anyone can make anything they want, and refuse to explain it. But the likelihood is that if you refuse to play the game, you choose to excuse yourself from the marketplace. You have to be fortunate enough to have the priesthood explain you to themselves, otherwise. That rarely happens.
	11:50am DJpeterDE: Back from grocery run, relieved that Jeff’s A Davis playlist only slightly overlaps with my Tuesday show. 2/6 is good.
	11:51am Jeff Golick: I think the problem is often in the assessment. There are a lot of folks describing difficult art who have no business doing so, and can elevate a lot of crap in the process.
	11:51am fred: I think The Nihilist Spasm Band's Bill Exley did the definitive art/corporate speech in "I have nothing to say". I suggested that as a translation for a coworker who is tasked with translating the musings of the director of my workplace to English
	11:52am Jeff Golick: Glad to hear it, @DJpeterDE -- really didn't want to steal your thunder.
	🥁 11:52am Listener Gregory: I think there are a number of well thought-of artists who provide no clues to what they are thinking, @UM. Or, like Yoko Ono, they say things like, "This work is trying to nail the sky to the gallery ceiling." Then you are back to thinking your own thoughts, which is the whole point of conceptual art.
	11:52am Uncle Michael: If I could tell you what's in my heart with words, I'd practice poetry, for fuck's sake.
	11:53am Uncle Michael: I agree, LG.
	🥁 11:54am chresti: I did not enjoy art school critiques. It's a painting, okay? No, it's not about vaginas with teeth.
	11:55am spodiodi: "you think you are god" was my fave
	11:55am coelacanth∅: (sometimes a snake is a snake)
	11:55am Jeff Golick: My favorite recent conceptual art story was discovering that Matthew Barney was a J. Crew model for a time.
	🥁 11:56am Listener Gregory: @chresti, I think it is!
	11:56am Uncle Michael: I want to see a comedy sketch were someone portrays Anthony Quinn's Gauguin enduring an art school critique.
	11:56am fred: We're about to end the lockdown over here. A politician just said he trusted the intelligence and understanding of cops and the population. We're doomed
	11:56am spodiodi: greetings, Jeff & all
	11:57am Sem: Thank you, Jeff. Have a good week, all.
	11:57am Uncle Michael: fred, you are, indeed
	11:57am spodiodi: to heck with this rush to open everything
	11:57am Uncle Michael: thank you, Jeff!
	11:57am Jeff Golick: Hi, @spodiodi!
	🥁 11:58am hyde: Thanks!
	🥁 11:58am chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	11:58am Jeff Golick: You, too, @Sem! Thanks, @UM! You're a poet though you don't know it. Take care, @hyde!
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: @spodiodi, strong words, but these are difficult times. TV commercials tell me so.
	11:59am spodiodi: bye Sem
	11:59am fred: Over already? Thanks Jeff!
	11:59am Jeff Golick: My pleasure, @chresti!
	11:59am spodiodi: bicky bicky bye bye?
	11:59am Doug Schulkind: Name a creative arts sibling duo loftier than Thulani and Anthony Davis.
	11:59am StringOFperils: The 'art world' is a business like any other. This is capitalism, and we're swimming in that medium. So, it's rife with new-product language, seasonal catch-phrases, formal tropes (gawd, I got so sick of snarling dogs and rabbit heads in the 80s), and as with all other employment hierarchies, there's bullshit: sycophantic bullshit, self-marketing bullshit, self-ideation bullshit, essentialness to a general public bullshit, and probably the biggest bullshit of all is that that public has no ideas about anything and it needs the world explained to it, in the most obfuscatory fairy tales it's willing to pay for.
	11:59am Wolfie: Great great set Jeff!! C'mon over The Stork, folks! It's My Mother's Day!! OK, yours too.
	11:59am StringOFperils: Wow. Time! Thanks for the show....!!
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: Jeff, in these uncertain times, it is great to know that when I turn on your show, I am completely uncertain what you will play. The Davis set reminds me of how good he is. Thanks! Damn that flute!
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! take care
	12:00pm spodiodi: thanks, Jeff
	🥁 12:01pm WR: Thank you!
	12:02pm Jeff Golick: Bye, everyone, @WR, @spodiodi, @coel, @LG, @StringOFperils, @Wolfie, @Doug (I didn't know that!), @fred, and one and all!

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