WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 10, 2019

Listener comments!
	♥ 6:00pm annie: ready to roll!
	🤖 ♥ 6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techodhisattas!
	♥ 6:01pm Rich in Washington: I am great at doing nothing. Ask anybody.
	6:01pm Linda Lee: hi Mark! this one seems right on time.
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Techtonifiliacs!
	6:02pm melinda: Hi everyone!
	♥ 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonos!
	6:02pm melinda: @Rich me too
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Techto sapiens.
	♥ 6:03pm chresti: Me too, I love doing nothing
	6:04pm Linda Lee: Rich, about 30 years ago i was at a party packed with young manhattan scene makers & asked, typically: 'what do you do?" i answered thusly: "i do nothing." the conversation went dead. visionary once again!
	6:04pm geezerette: Howdy! I also excel at doing nothing! :) Tips always welcome.
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't play Brian Wilson's Busy Doing Nothing, you lose one stripe as a WFMU DJ.
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm ultradamno: The first monk said, “The flag is moving.” The second monk said, “No, the wind is moving.” Huineng saw them having this ridiculous debate and he said, “It’s your minds that are moving.” - I don't know, the wind is moving like a motherfucker around here right now.
	♥ 6:05pm chresti: Talkin' loud and saying nothin'
	♥ 6:05pm Rich in Washington: Linda Lee: remind me to try that at the next party I go to.
	6:05pm Linda Lee: what, they want us to spend! time, energy, money. how hard is it to resist, really?
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: My nothings are the best nothings. Nobody knows more nothing than I do.
	6:05pm geezerette: I live by my fault.
	♥ 6:06pm annie: i like to think i'm able to resist much of what modern society has to offer..
	6:06pm Linda Lee: @Rich ~ maybe it'll go over better now.
	♥ 6:07pm chresti: WebHam-haha!
	♥ 6:07pm Carmichael: I have a PhD in nothing. I spent my education learning more and more about less and less, until I knew absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
	🤖 ♥ 6:08pm ultradamno: Distraction economy.
	6:08pm Linda Lee: i like the fact that i'm near 60 years old, because i can remember, personally, a time when i was not my eyeballs.
	6:08pm geezerette: Webham & Carm, my heros!
	6:09pm Linda Lee: i had an entire body!
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: I was doing nothing in the local Stop & Shop the other day and Marty the Robot alerted the help that cleanup in Aisle 6 was required. That'll teach those unions to go on strike! Anyone else seen those store robots?
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Franco Twinkie: A piece of paper and a pen. Or a crayon.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm chris: agreed, geezerette! nice job, guys. :)
	6:10pm geezerette: hahaha :D
	♥ 6:11pm Fuzzy: Monday, nothing Tuesday, nothing Wednesday and Thursday nothing Friday, for a change a little more nothing Saturday once more nothing
	6:12pm Linda Lee: well, Ken, no one's going to be able to compete in minimal requirement with a robot.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Bas NL: Mmm... Does this comments board count as 'social media'?
	6:13pm geezerette: Everyone here has stubbornly kept their imaginations alive. That's a victory.
	🤖 ♥ 6:14pm Franco Twinkie: I love it when I get out my flip phone and people look at me like I have a big wet spot on the front of my pants.
	6:14pm Linda Lee: Bas, i think Mark once called the fmu chat board 'what social media should be.'
	6:14pm melinda: @Linda I know what you mean. As seductive as online activity is, I know that there is deeper satisfaction to be found elsewhere because that used to be the only option.
	♥ 6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi all! Thanks for tuning in & chatting. Yes, @Bas and @Linda, I do count the WFMU comment board as social media. A good version of it.
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm ultradamno: This board is more in line with the kind of communities that were around on usenet and whatnot when I first came online. The thing about modern social media I've noticed in contrast is how little actual engagement happens or is even possible. Like anything more than thumbs up and thumbs down is discouraged.
	6:17pm Linda Lee: @melinda ~ absolutely right ~ & none of it was optional.
	♥ 6:17pm Irwin: Doing nothing is hard work.
	6:18pm Linda Lee: @Irwin ~ only doing nothing productively! :-D
	♥ 6:20pm Carmichael: Fuzzy, you missed Sunday, the day of rest after a long week.
	6:20pm melinda: Yes to permaculture
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: "Monkey Mind" is a real problem with me. It's attention surfeit disorder.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Bas NL: Thank heavens.. i like it here.
	♥ 6:21pm annie: i've challenged people to pay attention to everything they see and hear and to pick out what is propaganda and imagery used to influence our decisions
	♥ 6:21pm Carmichael: That picture looks like a Keith Emerson organ dream.
	6:21pm JakeGould: “Jerry! I got it! The best app ever! And app about nothing! You download it and you do nothing!”
	6:22pm Linda Lee: interesting! equating 'building nothing' with dismantling what's there .. rather than simple inaction by choice.
	6:22pm mary: Odell's "endless present" is different from the continuous present to quote G Stein- though Stein also refers to “prolonged present”.
	6:22pm geezerette: Personal productivity is great.
	6:22pm Linda Lee: is this the time to bring up the usefulness of zazen?
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zen: Don't just do something - sit there !
	6:23pm Linda Lee: who the heck isn't encountering real life itself every waking moment? even your absorption in digital media involves you, in your body.
	6:23pm geezerette: Linda Lee, :)
	6:24pm Linda Lee: that's right Rev!
	♥ 6:24pm Fuzzy: Mindfulness vs. mindlessness.
	♥ 6:24pm Mark Hurst: The iNaturalist app, which Jenny just mentioned, is linked on the playlist to the left.
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's the Form. Media is the Massage. Exactly that. We're just this ape...
	♥ 6:25pm Mark Hurst: (or above, if you're reading this after the show airs.)
	6:25pm Nellies: I’ve been feeling guilty for “doing nothing”
	6:25pm Linda Lee: maybe the problem is just the sense that we're doing something outside of life, or instead of, when we're engaged online. that's dangerous!
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Honestly - I'm on faceplane now. But - I only get interwebz in Library hours frankly. Lots of DVDs lately, reading (again - finally!) - walking in the NorthNewEngland woods got here...man - that is good.
	6:27pm Linda Lee: i'm always very happy to be 'doing nothing'. that means i'm not following any commercial directive & that passes for liberty now.
	6:27pm Linda Lee: that does sound good, Rev. the walking especially.
	6:28pm geezerette: Linda Lee, agree.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm ultradamno: Slack 101
	6:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: So good. It's June - yerknow...
	6:29pm Linda Lee: frankly, i don't think the author should be on a book tour for this book. your publisher isn't getting the message, Jenny!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm chris: Mark, it is wrong to discredit Juul for switching smokers away from smoking. Just a counter-point. Juul should only be available for current adult smokers to switch from smoking. that is a statement i can get behind.
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Kenny G runs courses in uncreative writing.
	6:29pm Linda Lee: it is June, Rev ~ though right here it feels like late April.
	6:29pm mary: Her position is self evident. Does no one have self discipline and the joy it can bring? Nothing is something yeh. Of course. Gotta turn this off. I tried.
	♥ 6:30pm Beast of Boonton: Hello Mark - Great interview
	♥ 6:31pm Tommy in Neversink: Every FMU DJ is an excellent interviewer. They really do their research and know exactly where to take the interview. great Job Mark
	6:31pm JakeGould: @LindaLee: There is no such thing as publishing a book nowadays and not touring. Books don’t sell anymore; lectures connected to books is what the deal is about.
	6:31pm Linda Lee: that's the premise, mary. no one has self discipline and the joy it can bring. it's a little fluffy.
	6:31pm JakeGould: Anyway… Beetle Bailey is the king of doing nothing.
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm ultradamno: How to not be seen doing nothing: getpocket.com...
	♥ 6:32pm Carmichael: And the Mexican guy on the donkey in the velvet painting.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Bas NL: Just had a stroll through town, in the rain. WFMU on my phone. ;)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As a kid - read 'Medium Is the Massage' & 'Center of the Cyclone' (John Lilliy) - & took liquid acid. Clean enuff could read. Kenzo just used a bit by - pretty sure - TM enthusiast David Lynch: 'Media distracts & doesn't give.' Media is like a Drug. Are you Influencing your Environment - or is it Influencing you ?? Lilly goes straight for Belief & Programming in the Mind ('Human BioComputer') & what be believe to be True.... Everything is Suggestion. Real or not...
	6:33pm Linda Lee: but Jake! don't people write books 'cause they don't have to leave the house?
	6:35pm JakeGould: @LindaLee: J.D. Salinger wouldn't be able to survive in 2019.
	♥ 6:36pm chresti: Do away with recommended videos/pages
	6:36pm Linda Lee: just awful.
	6:37pm fleep: "Don't be evil." Remember that? Good times.
	6:37pm mary: didn't have to go. She went. I do love Mark's show.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Never, never, never ACCOUNTABLE - as they rake it in more than anyone ever - & control all our interactions...
	6:38pm Linda Lee: Rev, you know the Burroughs quote about the money machine, yes? really what we're talking about. it eats quality, turns out quantity ..
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zackly. Used to almost be a joke fleep. Not now.
	♥ 6:38pm Fuzzy: I just went to Google Play Store and installed iNaturalist. I feel so conflicted.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm ultradamno: Like a pizza place? Oh yeah, that never happened but they still suffered consequences meanwhile, if you're You Tube...
	♥ 6:39pm annie: youtube has gotten so boring and tedious. i rarely go to it for movies now.
	6:39pm jtm: Marc are you saying that PIZZAGATE IS REAL?!
	6:42pm Listener Robert: So WHAT'S WRONG if 40,000 pedophiles look at the vids that someone put up of their kids at the beach? As Tom Lehrer sang, "With the proper attitude, everything is lude."
	6:43pm Listener Robert: In fact you could say YouTube is doing a public service by putting up publicly acceptable material that someone can look at INSTEAD of someone's having to produce actual child porn for them?
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the most interesting story was that the City of Baltimore has been crippled by ransomeware for the least few weeks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm ultradamno: Yeah, in the Axios thing the guy is asked outright about a kid dressed in a burqa saying hateful things and it's "I haven't seen that" (people like to say that to Axios)...but you just had it described to you, you can come up with a position on it as concept?
	♥ 6:46pm chresti: Nothing is for free-I noticed You Tube offers an "ad free" version, for a fee, would it continue bombarding you with recommended videos?
	🤖 ♥ 6:46pm ultradamno: ...can't...come up with a position..that is.
	♥ 6:46pm annie: i use adblocker chresti..
	6:47pm Linda Lee: if someone's checked out you have to touch them to wake them up. too bad.
	6:47pm ignatatus666: Light tap behind the knee Welcome to NY
	♥ 6:47pm melinda: @Henry yeah, that is disturbing. I read a piece expressing concerns over the possibility that they might pay up, making future hacks more likely.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm ultradamno: @chresti I expect they regard that as a feature.
	♥ 6:47pm melinda: @jtm haha
	6:47pm Glenn: https://ratical.org/ratville/AoS/TheTechnologicalSociety.pdf Jacques Ellul the technological society is a good read for those interested in a lot the conversations Marc had tonight.
	6:48pm Listener Robert: Chris, what's wrong if never-smokers take up vaping nicotine? It's as safe as coffee. I tried vaping nicotine for a while, and I was never a tobacco user.
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm ultradamno: Phombie sounds pretty adorable too. I'm picturing plush Walking Dead toys.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm tim from champaign: Tacoma WA has them.
	♥ 6:49pm chresti: I step in front of them and grin while waving my hands
	6:49pm geezerette: Another great show; thanks Mark! Phombies !!!
	6:49pm Linda Lee: Mark, i grew up in nyc in the 70s. i'm programmed to be fully present. cannot imagine checking out in public. it's stupid!
	6:49pm ignatatus666: Sheeple
	6:49pm Listener Robert: So let me get this straight: There are complaints if children aren't dressed enough, and complaints if they're over-dressed?
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Bas NL: Bicycling is huge in The Netherlands. Nowadays it's like a game avoiding the phone zombies in the bicycle lanes. Legislation is in the making to ban the use of electronics on bikes.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm diciassette: If they are litter, I wonder if it's fair to remove them (someone could start a service)
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There is no Ordinance against Motors on Pedestrian Sidewalks ??
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm chris: Listener Robert. nothing, really, i was just making a sample statement i could get behind.
	♥ 6:51pm Fuzzy: Bikes and scooters don't belong on sidewalks. And zoned-out phombies shouldn't be wandering obliviously on the Bikeway -- it's as dangerous as wandering out into the middle of the street without looking.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm ultradamno: A interaction I had on Twitter about distracted driving here twitter.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm diciassette: Yay! www.scootscoop.com
	♥ 6:52pm melinda: I've heard about the increase in scooter-related injuries in Austin. I'll be visiting there in a couple of days, gotta watch out!
	6:53pm ignatatus666: Scooters are a need in NYC If we have a legit bike path. Scooters and bicycles should share this. How else can we reduce the amount of vehicles on NYC streets
	6:53pm Doug: If any discussion on bikes/scooters/phones doesn’t mention cars, the entire point has been missed
	6:53pm Tom in Los Angeles: its bad out here. front sidewalk/lawns littered by the discarded scooters of the disconnected & oblivious.
	♥ 6:53pm chresti: There was one at the tennis courts, in Griffith Park. They get destroyed, eventually, the scooters.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: What about pogo sticks instead of scooters?
	6:53pm Linda Lee: as soon as people are forced to be present in their bodies, they develop an interest in their physical environment! otherwise the environment is optional.
	6:54pm Listener Robert: YouTube sometimes suggests to me bathtub pictures of children, because I did a bunch of searches related to trying to market a bubble bath. The weird thing is the number of vids people put up of their children wearing swimsuits in the bathtub!
	♥ 6:55pm chresti: Pogo sticks that go really high
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm diciassette: Boingo!
	6:55pm Robert Tables: I was walking along the Hoboken waterfront yesterday and those scooters were everywhere. Not everyone used the bike lanes and I had to actively avoid those people riding on the sidewalk.
	6:56pm Poo Man, Poo!: Faster scooters!
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Seven League Boots would be nice.
	♥ 6:56pm melinda: I've been reading books in lieu of facebook some of the time, it's great.
	♥ 6:56pm chresti: Pogo sticks that bounce over cars
	6:56pm Fredericks: What about moving sidewalks?
	6:56pm Linda Lee: can we get any more juvenile? we'll sure try!
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: There is a high tech pogo stick that goes a good 5 or more feet high!
	6:56pm ignatatus666: RESIST There was a discussion on FMU a while back User sponsored social media the same as FMU
	6:56pm geezerette: Haha!!!
	♥ 6:56pm chresti: Haha@Mark
	6:56pm Kathleen (Mrs. Fields): For subway phone zombies, I use my best train conductor voice and boom, "Step all the way in, please!" That wakes most people up. If they still don't move, I tap them hard on their backpack and earnestly boom, "Excuse me!" as I seek eye contact and smile slightly. They usually step aside in astonishment.
	6:57pm Listener Robert: Ach! I meant "lewd", not "lude" -- although I suppose ludes might help -- at 6:42.
	♥ 6:57pm melinda: Bring back romper stompers
	6:57pm convoy_pt2: Go do something physical and analog. Get oof the phone and find a true equalizer that is personal and enriching and occupies a good chunk of time. Ride a real skateboard, play with a real soccer ball, paint, build something, craft something. Exercise your autonomy
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm ultradamno: Unimotorcycles? jmuafvlab.files.wordpress.com...
	♥ 6:58pm Fuzzy: Minuteman Bikeway actually, Bedford to Cambridge, MA.
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: @melinda - yes indeed!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com... Pogo sticks coming right up!
	6:58pm Linda Lee: right, convoy_pt2!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Snoochienucci: Wowzers!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm ultradamno: I think Billy Preston had an issue with minors.
	♥ 6:59pm Fuzzy: Another great show Mark -- thanks!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Right - FMU is user sponsored. I think the Content scares most also. ;p ...I always maintain these are all Public Utilities online - but they are the biggest Monopolies in terms of who controls & profits...
	♥ 7:00pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Great comments tonight.
	♥ 7:00pm melinda: thanks Mark
	7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Mark & Guest.
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark!
	♥ 7:02pm chresti: Great pic!
	7:12pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Rabbit 6:33pm: "Kenzo just used a bit by - pretty sure - TM enthusiast David Lynch: 'Media distracts & doesn't give.'" Hah, no, that was just me saying that, because I think it's true.
	7:14pm CJBK: Finally! Somebody is making sense! I thought I was the only one left! Thank you Mark and Jenny. Resist I shall in BK. I invite everyone to examine how you've been rewired already.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 10, 2019

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Mon. Apr 29th, 6pm - 7pm: Michael Shelley on AI-generated music (More info...)
WFMU's own Michael Shelley joins Mark Hurst to talk about AI-generated music. Michael's April 20 show featured a number of AI-generated jingles - in the style of Bing Crosby, the Beach Boys, James Brown, and others - raising questions about the future of music, both recorded and live, in our AI-saturated future.

June 10, 2019: Jenny Odell, author, "How to Do Nothing"

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This week: Jenny Odell, author, "How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy"

Links to Jenny's work:

• How to Do Nothing at Indiebound

• Twitter: @the_jennitaur

• jennyodell.com

• How to Do Nothing, the column that was the basis for the book

• A Business With No End: Where does this strange empire start or stop? (NYT, Nov 27, 2018)

• There's No Such Thing as a Free Watch (Topic magazine, Sept 2017)

• iNaturalist, the app Jenny recommends

Other links:

• Max Fisher reporting on letter from two senators to YouTube's CEO (June 6) about "child sexual exploitation and predatory behavior" on YouTube.

• Don't Be a Phonehead, by Tim Wu (June 5)

• Electric Scooters Are Sweeping the Country. New York Says Not So Fast. (by Emma Fitzimmons in NYT, May 29, 2019)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 6:00pm annie: ready to roll!
	🤖 ♥ 6:00pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techodhisattas!
	♥ 6:01pm Rich in Washington: I am great at doing nothing. Ask anybody.
	6:01pm Linda Lee: hi Mark! this one seems right on time.
	🤖 ♥ 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Techtonifiliacs!
	6:02pm melinda: Hi everyone!
	♥ 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Techtonos!
	6:02pm melinda: @Rich me too
	🤖 ♥ 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Techto sapiens.
	♥ 6:03pm chresti: Me too, I love doing nothing
	6:04pm Linda Lee: Rich, about 30 years ago i was at a party packed with young manhattan scene makers & asked, typically: 'what do you do?" i answered thusly: "i do nothing." the conversation went dead. visionary once again!
	6:04pm geezerette: Howdy! I also excel at doing nothing! :) Tips always welcome.
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: If you don't play Brian Wilson's Busy Doing Nothing, you lose one stripe as a WFMU DJ.
	🤖 ♥ 6:04pm ultradamno: The first monk said, “The flag is moving.” The second monk said, “No, the wind is moving.” Huineng saw them having this ridiculous debate and he said, “It’s your minds that are moving.” - I don't know, the wind is moving like a motherfucker around here right now.
	♥ 6:05pm chresti: Talkin' loud and saying nothin'
	♥ 6:05pm Rich in Washington: Linda Lee: remind me to try that at the next party I go to.
	6:05pm Linda Lee: what, they want us to spend! time, energy, money. how hard is it to resist, really?
	🤖 ♥ 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: My nothings are the best nothings. Nobody knows more nothing than I do.
	6:05pm geezerette: I live by my fault.
	♥ 6:06pm annie: i like to think i'm able to resist much of what modern society has to offer..
	6:06pm Linda Lee: @Rich ~ maybe it'll go over better now.
	♥ 6:07pm chresti: WebHam-haha!
	♥ 6:07pm Carmichael: I have a PhD in nothing. I spent my education learning more and more about less and less, until I knew absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
	🤖 ♥ 6:08pm ultradamno: Distraction economy.
	6:08pm Linda Lee: i like the fact that i'm near 60 years old, because i can remember, personally, a time when i was not my eyeballs.
	6:08pm geezerette: Webham & Carm, my heros!
	6:09pm Linda Lee: i had an entire body!
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: I was doing nothing in the local Stop & Shop the other day and Marty the Robot alerted the help that cleanup in Aisle 6 was required. That'll teach those unions to go on strike! Anyone else seen those store robots?
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm Franco Twinkie: A piece of paper and a pen. Or a crayon.
	🤖 ♥ 6:09pm chris: agreed, geezerette! nice job, guys. :)
	6:10pm geezerette: hahaha :D
	♥ 6:11pm Fuzzy: Monday, nothing Tuesday, nothing Wednesday and Thursday nothing Friday, for a change a little more nothing Saturday once more nothing
	6:12pm Linda Lee: well, Ken, no one's going to be able to compete in minimal requirement with a robot.
	🤖 ♥ 6:13pm Bas NL: Mmm... Does this comments board count as 'social media'?
	6:13pm geezerette: Everyone here has stubbornly kept their imaginations alive. That's a victory.
	🤖 ♥ 6:14pm Franco Twinkie: I love it when I get out my flip phone and people look at me like I have a big wet spot on the front of my pants.
	6:14pm Linda Lee: Bas, i think Mark once called the fmu chat board 'what social media should be.'
	6:14pm melinda: @Linda I know what you mean. As seductive as online activity is, I know that there is deeper satisfaction to be found elsewhere because that used to be the only option.
	♥ 6:15pm Mark Hurst: Hi all! Thanks for tuning in & chatting. Yes, @Bas and @Linda, I do count the WFMU comment board as social media. A good version of it.
	🤖 ♥ 6:17pm ultradamno: This board is more in line with the kind of communities that were around on usenet and whatnot when I first came online. The thing about modern social media I've noticed in contrast is how little actual engagement happens or is even possible. Like anything more than thumbs up and thumbs down is discouraged.
	6:17pm Linda Lee: @melinda ~ absolutely right ~ & none of it was optional.
	♥ 6:17pm Irwin: Doing nothing is hard work.
	6:18pm Linda Lee: @Irwin ~ only doing nothing productively! :-D
	♥ 6:20pm Carmichael: Fuzzy, you missed Sunday, the day of rest after a long week.
	6:20pm melinda: Yes to permaculture
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Webhamster Henry: "Monkey Mind" is a real problem with me. It's attention surfeit disorder.
	🤖 ♥ 6:20pm Bas NL: Thank heavens.. i like it here.
	♥ 6:21pm annie: i've challenged people to pay attention to everything they see and hear and to pick out what is propaganda and imagery used to influence our decisions
	♥ 6:21pm Carmichael: That picture looks like a Keith Emerson organ dream.
	6:21pm JakeGould: “Jerry! I got it! The best app ever! And app about nothing! You download it and you do nothing!”
	6:22pm Linda Lee: interesting! equating 'building nothing' with dismantling what's there .. rather than simple inaction by choice.
	6:22pm mary: Odell's "endless present" is different from the continuous present to quote G Stein- though Stein also refers to “prolonged present”.
	6:22pm geezerette: Personal productivity is great.
	6:22pm Linda Lee: is this the time to bring up the usefulness of zazen?
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zen: Don't just do something - sit there !
	6:23pm Linda Lee: who the heck isn't encountering real life itself every waking moment? even your absorption in digital media involves you, in your body.
	6:23pm geezerette: Linda Lee, :)
	6:24pm Linda Lee: that's right Rev!
	♥ 6:24pm Fuzzy: Mindfulness vs. mindlessness.
	♥ 6:24pm Mark Hurst: The iNaturalist app, which Jenny just mentioned, is linked on the playlist to the left.
	6:24pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's the Form. Media is the Massage. Exactly that. We're just this ape...
	♥ 6:25pm Mark Hurst: (or above, if you're reading this after the show airs.)
	6:25pm Nellies: I’ve been feeling guilty for “doing nothing”
	6:25pm Linda Lee: maybe the problem is just the sense that we're doing something outside of life, or instead of, when we're engaged online. that's dangerous!
	6:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Honestly - I'm on faceplane now. But - I only get interwebz in Library hours frankly. Lots of DVDs lately, reading (again - finally!) - walking in the NorthNewEngland woods got here...man - that is good.
	6:27pm Linda Lee: i'm always very happy to be 'doing nothing'. that means i'm not following any commercial directive & that passes for liberty now.
	6:27pm Linda Lee: that does sound good, Rev. the walking especially.
	6:28pm geezerette: Linda Lee, agree.
	🤖 ♥ 6:28pm ultradamno: Slack 101
	6:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: So good. It's June - yerknow...
	6:29pm Linda Lee: frankly, i don't think the author should be on a book tour for this book. your publisher isn't getting the message, Jenny!
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm chris: Mark, it is wrong to discredit Juul for switching smokers away from smoking. Just a counter-point. Juul should only be available for current adult smokers to switch from smoking. that is a statement i can get behind.
	🤖 ♥ 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: Kenny G runs courses in uncreative writing.
	6:29pm Linda Lee: it is June, Rev ~ though right here it feels like late April.
	6:29pm mary: Her position is self evident. Does no one have self discipline and the joy it can bring? Nothing is something yeh. Of course. Gotta turn this off. I tried.
	♥ 6:30pm Beast of Boonton: Hello Mark - Great interview
	♥ 6:31pm Tommy in Neversink: Every FMU DJ is an excellent interviewer. They really do their research and know exactly where to take the interview. great Job Mark
	6:31pm JakeGould: @LindaLee: There is no such thing as publishing a book nowadays and not touring. Books don’t sell anymore; lectures connected to books is what the deal is about.
	6:31pm Linda Lee: that's the premise, mary. no one has self discipline and the joy it can bring. it's a little fluffy.
	6:31pm JakeGould: Anyway… Beetle Bailey is the king of doing nothing.
	🤖 ♥ 6:32pm ultradamno: How to not be seen doing nothing: getpocket.com...
	♥ 6:32pm Carmichael: And the Mexican guy on the donkey in the velvet painting.
	🤖 ♥ 6:33pm Bas NL: Just had a stroll through town, in the rain. WFMU on my phone. ;)
	6:33pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: As a kid - read 'Medium Is the Massage' & 'Center of the Cyclone' (John Lilliy) - & took liquid acid. Clean enuff could read. Kenzo just used a bit by - pretty sure - TM enthusiast David Lynch: 'Media distracts & doesn't give.' Media is like a Drug. Are you Influencing your Environment - or is it Influencing you ?? Lilly goes straight for Belief & Programming in the Mind ('Human BioComputer') & what be believe to be True.... Everything is Suggestion. Real or not...
	6:33pm Linda Lee: but Jake! don't people write books 'cause they don't have to leave the house?
	6:35pm JakeGould: @LindaLee: J.D. Salinger wouldn't be able to survive in 2019.
	♥ 6:36pm chresti: Do away with recommended videos/pages
	6:36pm Linda Lee: just awful.
	6:37pm fleep: "Don't be evil." Remember that? Good times.
	6:37pm mary: didn't have to go. She went. I do love Mark's show.
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Never, never, never ACCOUNTABLE - as they rake it in more than anyone ever - & control all our interactions...
	6:38pm Linda Lee: Rev, you know the Burroughs quote about the money machine, yes? really what we're talking about. it eats quality, turns out quantity ..
	6:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Zackly. Used to almost be a joke fleep. Not now.
	♥ 6:38pm Fuzzy: I just went to Google Play Store and installed iNaturalist. I feel so conflicted.
	🤖 ♥ 6:39pm ultradamno: Like a pizza place? Oh yeah, that never happened but they still suffered consequences meanwhile, if you're You Tube...
	♥ 6:39pm annie: youtube has gotten so boring and tedious. i rarely go to it for movies now.
	6:39pm jtm: Marc are you saying that PIZZAGATE IS REAL?!
	6:42pm Listener Robert: So WHAT'S WRONG if 40,000 pedophiles look at the vids that someone put up of their kids at the beach? As Tom Lehrer sang, "With the proper attitude, everything is lude."
	6:43pm Listener Robert: In fact you could say YouTube is doing a public service by putting up publicly acceptable material that someone can look at INSTEAD of someone's having to produce actual child porn for them?
	🤖 ♥ 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: I thought the most interesting story was that the City of Baltimore has been crippled by ransomeware for the least few weeks.
	🤖 ♥ 6:45pm ultradamno: Yeah, in the Axios thing the guy is asked outright about a kid dressed in a burqa saying hateful things and it's "I haven't seen that" (people like to say that to Axios)...but you just had it described to you, you can come up with a position on it as concept?
	♥ 6:46pm chresti: Nothing is for free-I noticed You Tube offers an "ad free" version, for a fee, would it continue bombarding you with recommended videos?
	🤖 ♥ 6:46pm ultradamno: ...can't...come up with a position..that is.
	♥ 6:46pm annie: i use adblocker chresti..
	6:47pm Linda Lee: if someone's checked out you have to touch them to wake them up. too bad.
	6:47pm ignatatus666: Light tap behind the knee Welcome to NY
	♥ 6:47pm melinda: @Henry yeah, that is disturbing. I read a piece expressing concerns over the possibility that they might pay up, making future hacks more likely.
	🤖 ♥ 6:47pm ultradamno: @chresti I expect they regard that as a feature.
	♥ 6:47pm melinda: @jtm haha
	6:47pm Glenn: https://ratical.org/ratville/AoS/TheTechnologicalSociety.pdf Jacques Ellul the technological society is a good read for those interested in a lot the conversations Marc had tonight.
	6:48pm Listener Robert: Chris, what's wrong if never-smokers take up vaping nicotine? It's as safe as coffee. I tried vaping nicotine for a while, and I was never a tobacco user.
	🤖 ♥ 6:48pm ultradamno: Phombie sounds pretty adorable too. I'm picturing plush Walking Dead toys.
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm tim from champaign: Tacoma WA has them.
	♥ 6:49pm chresti: I step in front of them and grin while waving my hands
	6:49pm geezerette: Another great show; thanks Mark! Phombies !!!
	6:49pm Linda Lee: Mark, i grew up in nyc in the 70s. i'm programmed to be fully present. cannot imagine checking out in public. it's stupid!
	6:49pm ignatatus666: Sheeple
	6:49pm Listener Robert: So let me get this straight: There are complaints if children aren't dressed enough, and complaints if they're over-dressed?
	🤖 ♥ 6:49pm Bas NL: Bicycling is huge in The Netherlands. Nowadays it's like a game avoiding the phone zombies in the bicycle lanes. Legislation is in the making to ban the use of electronics on bikes.
	🤖 ♥ 6:50pm diciassette: If they are litter, I wonder if it's fair to remove them (someone could start a service)
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There is no Ordinance against Motors on Pedestrian Sidewalks ??
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm chris: Listener Robert. nothing, really, i was just making a sample statement i could get behind.
	♥ 6:51pm Fuzzy: Bikes and scooters don't belong on sidewalks. And zoned-out phombies shouldn't be wandering obliviously on the Bikeway -- it's as dangerous as wandering out into the middle of the street without looking.
	🤖 ♥ 6:51pm ultradamno: A interaction I had on Twitter about distracted driving here twitter.com...
	🤖 ♥ 6:52pm diciassette: Yay! www.scootscoop.com
	♥ 6:52pm melinda: I've heard about the increase in scooter-related injuries in Austin. I'll be visiting there in a couple of days, gotta watch out!
	6:53pm ignatatus666: Scooters are a need in NYC If we have a legit bike path. Scooters and bicycles should share this. How else can we reduce the amount of vehicles on NYC streets
	6:53pm Doug: If any discussion on bikes/scooters/phones doesn’t mention cars, the entire point has been missed
	6:53pm Tom in Los Angeles: its bad out here. front sidewalk/lawns littered by the discarded scooters of the disconnected & oblivious.
	♥ 6:53pm chresti: There was one at the tennis courts, in Griffith Park. They get destroyed, eventually, the scooters.
	🤖 ♥ 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: What about pogo sticks instead of scooters?
	6:53pm Linda Lee: as soon as people are forced to be present in their bodies, they develop an interest in their physical environment! otherwise the environment is optional.
	6:54pm Listener Robert: YouTube sometimes suggests to me bathtub pictures of children, because I did a bunch of searches related to trying to market a bubble bath. The weird thing is the number of vids people put up of their children wearing swimsuits in the bathtub!
	♥ 6:55pm chresti: Pogo sticks that go really high
	🤖 ♥ 6:55pm diciassette: Boingo!
	6:55pm Robert Tables: I was walking along the Hoboken waterfront yesterday and those scooters were everywhere. Not everyone used the bike lanes and I had to actively avoid those people riding on the sidewalk.
	6:56pm Poo Man, Poo!: Faster scooters!
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Seven League Boots would be nice.
	♥ 6:56pm melinda: I've been reading books in lieu of facebook some of the time, it's great.
	♥ 6:56pm chresti: Pogo sticks that bounce over cars
	6:56pm Fredericks: What about moving sidewalks?
	6:56pm Linda Lee: can we get any more juvenile? we'll sure try!
	🤖 ♥ 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: There is a high tech pogo stick that goes a good 5 or more feet high!
	6:56pm ignatatus666: RESIST There was a discussion on FMU a while back User sponsored social media the same as FMU
	6:56pm geezerette: Haha!!!
	♥ 6:56pm chresti: Haha@Mark
	6:56pm Kathleen (Mrs. Fields): For subway phone zombies, I use my best train conductor voice and boom, "Step all the way in, please!" That wakes most people up. If they still don't move, I tap them hard on their backpack and earnestly boom, "Excuse me!" as I seek eye contact and smile slightly. They usually step aside in astonishment.
	6:57pm Listener Robert: Ach! I meant "lewd", not "lude" -- although I suppose ludes might help -- at 6:42.
	♥ 6:57pm melinda: Bring back romper stompers
	6:57pm convoy_pt2: Go do something physical and analog. Get oof the phone and find a true equalizer that is personal and enriching and occupies a good chunk of time. Ride a real skateboard, play with a real soccer ball, paint, build something, craft something. Exercise your autonomy
	🤖 ♥ 6:57pm ultradamno: Unimotorcycles? jmuafvlab.files.wordpress.com...
	♥ 6:58pm Fuzzy: Minuteman Bikeway actually, Bedford to Cambridge, MA.
	6:58pm P-90: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: @melinda - yes indeed!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com... Pogo sticks coming right up!
	6:58pm Linda Lee: right, convoy_pt2!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 ♥ 6:58pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:59pm Snoochienucci: Wowzers!
	🤖 ♥ 6:59pm ultradamno: I think Billy Preston had an issue with minors.
	♥ 6:59pm Fuzzy: Another great show Mark -- thanks!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Right - FMU is user sponsored. I think the Content scares most also. ;p ...I always maintain these are all Public Utilities online - but they are the biggest Monopolies in terms of who controls & profits...
	♥ 7:00pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	♥ 7:00pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Great comments tonight.
	♥ 7:00pm melinda: thanks Mark
	7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY Mark & Guest.
	🤖 ♥ 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: Thanks Mark!
	♥ 7:02pm chresti: Great pic!
	7:12pm Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Rabbit 6:33pm: "Kenzo just used a bit by - pretty sure - TM enthusiast David Lynch: 'Media distracts & doesn't give.'" Hah, no, that was just me saying that, because I think it's true.
	7:14pm CJBK: Finally! Somebody is making sense! I thought I was the only one left! Thank you Mark and Jenny. Resist I shall in BK. I invite everyone to examine how you've been rewired already.

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