WFMU: Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from June 10, 2021

Listener comments!
	10:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	10:04am fred: Good afternoon Jan and all
	10:05am Jan Turkenburg: Hi fred!
	10:20am chresti getting ready for work: Morning Jan and over/unders!
	10:20am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti!
	10:21am chresti: Oops, not at work, at the studio!
	10:21am Jan Turkenburg: which studio again, chresti?
	10:22am chresti: Waiting for the laptop to finish updating itself.
	10:24am Jan Turkenburg: ah!
	10:31am chresti: Art studio space I've had since 1998, have to be out by July.
	10:34am Jan Turkenburg: Ah, you're moving to another studio, or are you moving all the stuff home?
	10:47am Ursula1000: good morning!
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula1k!
	10:51am Listener Robert: I was barely following the French, then he switched to a dialect of "French" I didn't understand well.
	10:52am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Robert, he was mixing French with dutch words then switching to German mixed with Dutch words.
	10:54am Listener Robert: I was joking.
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: lol, yep... typically me :-)
	10:59am chresti: Moving to storage, I don't think I'd be able to find another space as big as this one.
	11:01am StringOFperils: Hello, Jan, good morning! (still that time of day on the shores of Lake Ontario)
	11:01am Ursula1000: Wij houden van Oranje!
	11:02am Jan Turkenburg: Hi StringOFperils!
	11:03am Jan Turkenburg: U1k: Oléééhéeee Olé Oholééé!
	11:05am Ursula1000: My family is from Spain so I do/did follow the Spanish league and national team but I've been enjoying French football more lately and been finding myself rooting for them! Shhhh don't tell me family in Spain!
	11:05am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	11:06am Jan Turkenburg: I know nottin'!
	11:08am Feldpausch: Hello Jan! Hi all
	11:09am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Adam!
	11:10am chresti: By football do you mean soccer?
	11:12am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, you're right: soccer. It's confusing...
	11:12am Listener Robert: Depends on who's singing about it, chresti. Mr. Turkenburg is, yes, but not all of the songs do.
	11:14am Listener Robert: It's very contentious at quora.com about "soccer" and "football", as if "football" or "foot ball" had always historically meant soccer, when the word was around for a long time before soccer.
	11:14am chresti: The last time I was in France was 1998, we watched the World Cup on TV when France won. That's the last time I remember watching soccer.
	11:15am chresti: French is "football" too.
	11:15am Feldpausch: They really should call it American Football since it's only in the US that it's different
	11:16am Feldpausch: Or maybe USA Football because South America is in the Americas and they play Original Football there too
	11:19am Listener Robert: Chresti, most Americans think of soccer the way they do about table tennis: more fun to play than to watch. And Feldpausch, that's not true, even in just the English speaking world. If you say "football" in Australia, for example, you'll be understood as probably referring to Australian football, not soccer. In fact in MOST countries where English is primarily used, some other type of football is more popular than soccer. Even in England, "football" didn't come to be understood as "soccer" until over the past 50 years.
	11:19am chresti: Yeah, mericans hijacked the name since they couldn't use rugby, or whatever it's a spinoff of.
	11:20am Listener Robert: But rugby was widely called "football" too until fairly recently.
	11:20am chresti: I'm related to Red Grange, the Galloping Ghost.
	11:21am chresti: *on my dad's side.
	11:23am chresti: Rugby is a little different, they're allowed to kill each other, right?
	11:23am Listener Robert: The organization now known as Football Canada (for Canadian football) was called the Canadian Rugby Union until 1968, when they traded names with the Rugby Union of Canada.
	11:25am Feldpausch: @Lister Robert that is surprising. I really thought football was universally the kicking-the-ball game worldwide except in the US
	11:26am Jan Turkenburg: Thanks, Robert. On a Dutch wki I am reading up about the complex history of Rugby and I quickly reading understand Football (as in playing rugbyusing feet to kick the ball) was derived from Rugby.
	11:28am Listener Robert: What happened, Feldpausch, was that outside of the English-speaking world, other types of football never became widely popular, so in whatever language they used, "football" translated or directly ported from English, was soccer by default. But in Japanese it's a word pronounced "socka" that they use.
	11:32am Jan Turkenburg: I'm not sure I understand, Robert. In The Netherlands among other countries soccer became immensely popular, it's like the national sport and we've always called it "voetbal" and nothing else.
	11:35am Listener Robert: That's exactly right, Jan. Soccer -- Association football -- came over from England to the European continent, where it became popular relatively quickly, and since there was no other type of football that was nearly as popular, the word in their language for "football" came to mean soccer. There was no need to use any qualifying word in most cases.
	11:36am Rich in Washington: JAN!
	11:36am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, that's the story I remember
	11:37am Feldpausch: Thanks Listener Robert. I spent an afternoon with one of the US Women's World's Cup champions and I wonder if she even knows this
	11:37am Jan Turkenburg: RICH!!!
	11:38am Listener Robert: One exception to the vocabulary was Italian, because in Italy there had already been a type of football (which, however, had declined in popularity) called "calcio", which was played in various ways, but the word is derived from one meaning "to kick". At one time I thought it referred to chalk to line the field with, but not so.
	11:40am Listener Robert: I should not have written "a type of football" to refer to calcio as it had existed, because it was a blanket term for many local versions of game -- same as "football" had been in Britain for centuries.
	11:42am chresti: Haha Jan, me too!
	11:43am chresti: It's a racket alright.
	11:46am Feldpausch: Jan, I feel the same way about (US) football.. it's so pervasive in the culture. People talk about it constantly but it's one big fat commercial and I have zero interest in it. I love watching World Cup, though, perhaps because I'm not surrounded by the commercial aspects of it here
	11:46am Jan Turkenburg: The only kind of team sport I was sort of good in and liked at school was volley ball... the rest of my live I've done individual kinds of exercise like cycling, skating, sailing, walking canoeing.
	11:46am Lizardner Dave !: It's funny, here in the US soccer is a sport that is perfectly acceptable among the hip set of people who sneer at popular sports and call them "sportsball" simply because soccer is relatively unpopular and not particularly American in nature. I've long harbored a theory that if there were ever a professional baseball league in Europe it would catch on for exactly the same reason: the hipsters who hate popular sport would latch onto it to thumb their nose at the "establishment".
	11:47am Listener Robert: By the way, at the same time soccer was gaining popularity in much of the rest of the world as a spectator sport, it was doing so in North America as well, peaking around a century ago, although it never got quite to the level of interest of American and Canadian football for spectators. For historic reasons, it then declined in popularity in the USA and Canada as a spectator sport, but not in the rest of the world. It remained popular as a participant sport in North America, though, although much of the interest in it was taken away by basketball, which was originally played with a soccer ball.
	11:47am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Liz Dave!
	11:51am Lizardner Dave !: Hi Jan! Thanks for another fun show today.
	11:52am fred: @Lizardner Dave: There is pro baseball league in Italy. A guy I knew in high school became a player there
	11:56am Rich in Washington: Thanks, Jan!
	11:56am Ursula1000: Cheers Jan! Sounds Spectacular next wfmu.org... and....LET'S GO METS!
	11:57am Feldpausch: Bye Jan! Thank you!
	11:57am chresti: Thanks Jan!
	11:57am Jan Turkenburg: thanks for dropping by everyone!
	11:58am Listener Robert: The pleasure was ours.

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from June 10, 2021

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Orkest Zonder Naam (The Netherlands)

Artist	Track	Year	Comments	Images	Approx. start time
Louis Davids	Als De Tros Wordt Losgesmeten	1930			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Andre Claveau	Maïa "Maïa" by "Andre Claveau"	1951			0:03:53 (Pop-up)
Orquesta Ciudad Trujillo	Guararé	1955			0:07:12 (Pop-up)
Big Joe Turner & Flennoy Trio	Ooo Ouch Stop	1949		Flennoy Trio Flennoy Trio	0:09:39 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Wat De Geesten Er Van Zeggen	1936			0:14:05 (Pop-up)
Tommy Dorsey	Mr Ghost Goes To Town	1937			0:17:11 (Pop-up)
George Formby	Ghost "Ghost" by "George Formby"	1936			0:20:31 (Pop-up)
Fred Astaire	Me And The Ghost Upstairs	1940	(film ' Second Chorus ')		0:23:58 (Pop-up)
National Military Band	Ghosts' Dance	1910			0:26:27 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Doe Het Electrisch "Doe Het Electrisch" by "Louis Davids"	1932			0:33:46 (Pop-up)
Dajos Bela	Electric Girl "Electric Girl" by "Dajos Bela"	1930			0:36:27 (Pop-up)
Jan Mol Electro Kwartet	Opus 5 "Opus 5" by "Jan Mol Electro Kwartet"	1942			0:40:08 (Pop-up)
Electrola Salon Orchestra	Die Turkische Scharwache	1927			0:42:43 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	It Was So Beautiful "It Was So Beautiful" by "Louis Davids"	1934			0:48:14 (Pop-up)
Al Bowlly	It Was So Beautiful "It Was So Beautiful" by "Al Bowlly"	1932	(Studio Orchestra)		0:51:08 (Pop-up)
Django Reinhardt	It Was So Beautiful	1935	(Hot Four)		0:53:42 (Pop-up)
Ruth Etting	It Was So Beautiful "It Was So Beautiful" by "Ruth Etting"	1932			0:56:33 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Voetbalmatch "Voetbalmatch" by "Louis Davids"	1932			1:02:01 (Pop-up)
Dan W Quinn	Football "Football" by "Dan W Quinn"	1906			1:04:47 (Pop-up)
Harry Reser	You Gotta Be A Football Hero	1933			1:07:44 (Pop-up)
Kees Pruis	Voetbal Marsch "Voetbal Marsch" by "Kees Pruis"	1934			1:10:31 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Kleine Man "Kleine Man" by "Louis Davids"	1930	(studio)		1:15:34 (Pop-up)
Ray Noble	Little Man You Had A Busy Day	1934	(vocal - Al Bowlly)		1:18:20 (Pop-up)
Elsie Carlisle	Little Man You Had A Busy Day	1934	(+ Studio Orchestra)		1:20:57 (Pop-up)
Glenn Miller	Little Man Who Wasn't There	1939			1:24:00 (Pop-up)
Louis Davids	Sally Met De Roomijskar	1934			1:29:01 (Pop-up)
Knickerbocker Quartet	Sally In Our Alley	1915	(edison cylinder)		1:31:40 (Pop-up)
Bob Wills & Tommy Duncan	Sally Goodin'	1947			1:35:07 (Pop-up)
Cliff Edwards	I Wonder What's Become Of Sally	1924			1:37:15 (Pop-up)
Joseph Moskowitz cymbalom	Prinz Carol (Sirba)	1928			1:42:50 (Pop-up)
Tola Mankiewiczowna	Reformy Pan Minister	1937	Soundtrack ' Pani Minister Tanczy '		1:45:27 (Pop-up)
Al Starita	Jericho "Jericho" by "Al Starita"	1929	(vocal - Betty Bolton) (Piccadilly Players)	Betty Bolton Betty Bolton	1:47:44 (Pop-up)
Doles Dickens Quintet	Rock And Roll	1949			1:50:18 (Pop-up)
Orkest Zonder Naam	Tinusman Tinusman	1949	(vocal - Drie Musketiers)		1:52:41 (Pop-up)
Coronets	Twenty Tiny Fingers "Twenty Tiny Fingers" by "Coronets"	1955	Dutch language version in this episode of Yes, We Have No Mountains (0:38:38)		1:56:45 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	10:04am fred: Good afternoon Jan and all
	10:05am Jan Turkenburg: Hi fred!
	10:20am chresti getting ready for work: Morning Jan and over/unders!
	10:20am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti!
	10:21am chresti: Oops, not at work, at the studio!
	10:21am Jan Turkenburg: which studio again, chresti?
	10:22am chresti: Waiting for the laptop to finish updating itself.
	10:24am Jan Turkenburg: ah!
	10:31am chresti: Art studio space I've had since 1998, have to be out by July.
	10:34am Jan Turkenburg: Ah, you're moving to another studio, or are you moving all the stuff home?
	10:47am Ursula1000: good morning!
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula1k!
	10:51am Listener Robert: I was barely following the French, then he switched to a dialect of "French" I didn't understand well.
	10:52am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Robert, he was mixing French with dutch words then switching to German mixed with Dutch words.
	10:54am Listener Robert: I was joking.
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: lol, yep... typically me :-)
	10:59am chresti: Moving to storage, I don't think I'd be able to find another space as big as this one.
	11:01am StringOFperils: Hello, Jan, good morning! (still that time of day on the shores of Lake Ontario)
	11:01am Ursula1000: Wij houden van Oranje!
	11:02am Jan Turkenburg: Hi StringOFperils!
	11:03am Jan Turkenburg: U1k: Oléééhéeee Olé Oholééé!
	11:05am Ursula1000: My family is from Spain so I do/did follow the Spanish league and national team but I've been enjoying French football more lately and been finding myself rooting for them! Shhhh don't tell me family in Spain!
	11:05am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	11:06am Jan Turkenburg: I know nottin'!
	11:08am Feldpausch: Hello Jan! Hi all
	11:09am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Adam!
	11:10am chresti: By football do you mean soccer?
	11:12am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, you're right: soccer. It's confusing...
	11:12am Listener Robert: Depends on who's singing about it, chresti. Mr. Turkenburg is, yes, but not all of the songs do.
	11:14am Listener Robert: It's very contentious at quora.com about "soccer" and "football", as if "football" or "foot ball" had always historically meant soccer, when the word was around for a long time before soccer.
	11:14am chresti: The last time I was in France was 1998, we watched the World Cup on TV when France won. That's the last time I remember watching soccer.
	11:15am chresti: French is "football" too.
	11:15am Feldpausch: They really should call it American Football since it's only in the US that it's different
	11:16am Feldpausch: Or maybe USA Football because South America is in the Americas and they play Original Football there too
	11:19am Listener Robert: Chresti, most Americans think of soccer the way they do about table tennis: more fun to play than to watch. And Feldpausch, that's not true, even in just the English speaking world. If you say "football" in Australia, for example, you'll be understood as probably referring to Australian football, not soccer. In fact in MOST countries where English is primarily used, some other type of football is more popular than soccer. Even in England, "football" didn't come to be understood as "soccer" until over the past 50 years.
	11:19am chresti: Yeah, mericans hijacked the name since they couldn't use rugby, or whatever it's a spinoff of.
	11:20am Listener Robert: But rugby was widely called "football" too until fairly recently.
	11:20am chresti: I'm related to Red Grange, the Galloping Ghost.
	11:21am chresti: *on my dad's side.
	11:23am chresti: Rugby is a little different, they're allowed to kill each other, right?
	11:23am Listener Robert: The organization now known as Football Canada (for Canadian football) was called the Canadian Rugby Union until 1968, when they traded names with the Rugby Union of Canada.
	11:25am Feldpausch: @Lister Robert that is surprising. I really thought football was universally the kicking-the-ball game worldwide except in the US
	11:26am Jan Turkenburg: Thanks, Robert. On a Dutch wki I am reading up about the complex history of Rugby and I quickly reading understand Football (as in playing rugbyusing feet to kick the ball) was derived from Rugby.
	11:28am Listener Robert: What happened, Feldpausch, was that outside of the English-speaking world, other types of football never became widely popular, so in whatever language they used, "football" translated or directly ported from English, was soccer by default. But in Japanese it's a word pronounced "socka" that they use.
	11:32am Jan Turkenburg: I'm not sure I understand, Robert. In The Netherlands among other countries soccer became immensely popular, it's like the national sport and we've always called it "voetbal" and nothing else.
	11:35am Listener Robert: That's exactly right, Jan. Soccer -- Association football -- came over from England to the European continent, where it became popular relatively quickly, and since there was no other type of football that was nearly as popular, the word in their language for "football" came to mean soccer. There was no need to use any qualifying word in most cases.
	11:36am Rich in Washington: JAN!
	11:36am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, that's the story I remember
	11:37am Feldpausch: Thanks Listener Robert. I spent an afternoon with one of the US Women's World's Cup champions and I wonder if she even knows this
	11:37am Jan Turkenburg: RICH!!!
	11:38am Listener Robert: One exception to the vocabulary was Italian, because in Italy there had already been a type of football (which, however, had declined in popularity) called "calcio", which was played in various ways, but the word is derived from one meaning "to kick". At one time I thought it referred to chalk to line the field with, but not so.
	11:40am Listener Robert: I should not have written "a type of football" to refer to calcio as it had existed, because it was a blanket term for many local versions of game -- same as "football" had been in Britain for centuries.
	11:42am chresti: Haha Jan, me too!
	11:43am chresti: It's a racket alright.
	11:46am Feldpausch: Jan, I feel the same way about (US) football.. it's so pervasive in the culture. People talk about it constantly but it's one big fat commercial and I have zero interest in it. I love watching World Cup, though, perhaps because I'm not surrounded by the commercial aspects of it here
	11:46am Jan Turkenburg: The only kind of team sport I was sort of good in and liked at school was volley ball... the rest of my live I've done individual kinds of exercise like cycling, skating, sailing, walking canoeing.
	11:46am Lizardner Dave !: It's funny, here in the US soccer is a sport that is perfectly acceptable among the hip set of people who sneer at popular sports and call them "sportsball" simply because soccer is relatively unpopular and not particularly American in nature. I've long harbored a theory that if there were ever a professional baseball league in Europe it would catch on for exactly the same reason: the hipsters who hate popular sport would latch onto it to thumb their nose at the "establishment".
	11:47am Listener Robert: By the way, at the same time soccer was gaining popularity in much of the rest of the world as a spectator sport, it was doing so in North America as well, peaking around a century ago, although it never got quite to the level of interest of American and Canadian football for spectators. For historic reasons, it then declined in popularity in the USA and Canada as a spectator sport, but not in the rest of the world. It remained popular as a participant sport in North America, though, although much of the interest in it was taken away by basketball, which was originally played with a soccer ball.
	11:47am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Liz Dave!
	11:51am Lizardner Dave !: Hi Jan! Thanks for another fun show today.
	11:52am fred: @Lizardner Dave: There is pro baseball league in Italy. A guy I knew in high school became a player there
	11:56am Rich in Washington: Thanks, Jan!
	11:56am Ursula1000: Cheers Jan! Sounds Spectacular next wfmu.org... and....LET'S GO METS!
	11:57am Feldpausch: Bye Jan! Thank you!
	11:57am chresti: Thanks Jan!
	11:57am Jan Turkenburg: thanks for dropping by everyone!
	11:58am Listener Robert: The pleasure was ours.

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from June 10, 2021

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