WFMU: Irene Trudel: Playlist from February 17, 2025

Listener comments!
	♥ 11:53am Sean in Bristol UK: Good afternoon Irene, hello one and all
	11:58am smit: Hello all, and once again, Happy Anniversary Irene and Peter!
	♥ 11:59am Sean in Bristol UK: Happy anniversary to you both
	♥ 11:59am listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Irene and all!
	♥ 11:59am Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ smit @11:58 Hey smit
	12:00pm TDK60: Hello Irene. It's been a few weeks since I visited.
	12:01pm smit: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @11:59 Hey Sean!
	♥ 12:01pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ TDK60 @12:00 Salut TDK60
	♥ 12:01pm Irene Trudel: Welcome Sean, smit, james, TDK60, and all listening in today. Thanks for the anniversary wishes (Peter and I celebrated 29 wedded years as of yesterday).
	♥ 12:01pm Andrew in Toronto: Good afternoon, Irene, and all other listeners!
	♥ 12:02pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @11:59 Hi, Sean!
	♥ 12:02pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @12:00 Hi there, TDK60!
	12:03pm Sylvia: Hello Irene and everyone
	♥ 12:03pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:02 Hey Andrew
	♥ 12:03pm Irene Trudel: Greetings Andrew and Sylvia!
	♥ 12:04pm David (in London): Afternoon Irene and assembled Trudelians: Sean, smit, James, Teeds, Andrew, Sylvia.
	♥ 12:04pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Sylvia @12:03 Bonsoir Sylvia
	♥ 12:04pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Greetings David
	♥ 12:04pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Greetings, David!
	12:05pm Peter K.: ↳ Irene Trudel @12:01 Everybody loves Irene, but I'm the lucky one who gets to live with her!
	♥ 12:07pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Peter K. @12:05 ❤️❤️😻😻❤️❤️
	♥ 12:07pm Irene Trudel: Afternoon to you, David!
	♥ 12:08pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Good morning-ish, Irene!
	12:09pm smit: ↳ Song: "A Godless Place" by "Jefferson Pitcher" Really like the intimacy of this track!
	♥ 12:10pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Summer and Michael and Sylvia @12:08 What’s up, S, M & S
	12:10pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" Adrian C. Always interesting. I think I first found about him here, Irene. 2003? Hee.
	12:11pm TDK60: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @12:01 Hiya, Sean out west there!
	♥ 12:11pm Irene Trudel: G'day David and S&M&S
	12:11pm TDK60: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:02 Hiya, Andrew up by that lake!
	12:12pm βrian: Rolling in late, with an embarrassed grin.
	12:13pm TDK60: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Ahoy, David across some pond.
	♥ 12:13pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @12:10 Hi, Sean!
	♥ 12:15pm Irene Trudel: Better late than never, βrian!
	♥ 12:24pm Dan S: Hi Irene, fellow listeners. I've been listening since the start of the show. Been a bit busy to post, and have to leave soon, but I'm enjoying what I hear.
	♥ 12:25pm Dan S: ↳ Dan S @12:24 'Soon' meaning a bit after 1 PM.
	♥ 12:26pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Dan S @12:24 Glad you're able to enjoy this for a little while, Dan!
	♥ 12:26pm WR: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" Hello Irene and folks. Today's new-to-me surprise is Adrian Crowley. Immediate impact is who is this person sounding like Leonard Cohen and now I'm just started down the rabbit hole of Crowley's work. Thank you, Irene.
	♥ 12:28pm coelacanth∅: Greetings Irene and all
	♥ 12:28pm WR: ↳ Peter K. @12:05 Happy anniversary! Peter and Irene!
	♥ 12:28pm Michael 98145: ↳ WR @12:28 WHoa, yes! Hellos, Friends.
	♥ 12:28pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ coelacanth∅ @12:28 Mahalo, coel!
	♥ 12:29pm Irene Trudel: ↳ WR @12:26 Oh my goodness, WR! There's a lot to catch up on with Adrian. And thanks for the Anniversary wishes!
	♥ 12:29pm coelacanth∅: really? okay! Happy anniversary Irene and Peter!
	♥ 12:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:28 olá Andrew!
	♥ 12:30pm Irene Trudel: Thanks Michael and coelacanth!
	12:31pm Sylvia: joyeux anniversaire Irene and Peter
	♥ 12:31pm Dan S: ↳ Song: "Widow's Walk" by "Richard Thompson" Mellower than usual for Richard Thompson. Beautiful.
	🥁 ♥ 12:31pm jeremyo: Hooray, I made it for a live show rather than catch-up! Hello all, and happy anniversary I&P
	♥ 12:32pm Irene Trudel: Hooray jeremayo!
	♥ 12:33pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Sylvia @12:31 ❤️
	♥ 12:33pm Dan S: And Happy Anniversary, Irene & Peter!
	♥ 12:34pm doctorjazz: Hi Irene, Monday Streamers!
	♥ 12:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WR @12:26 i was surprised a few minutes ago reading Adrien's wikipedia page, seeing references to FIVE other artists and no mention of Leonard Cohen -that track bearing more than merely an influence!
	♥ 12:36pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @12:34 Hi, doc!
	12:37pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" I think Irene had Adrian as guest way back in '03 or so. See the vaults. That was my intro.
	12:37pm Peter K.: The Richard Thompson show at White Eagle Hall is solo acoustic. Highly recommended, of course.
	♥ 12:43pm listener james from westwood: Black Tape!
	♥ 12:46pm Irene Trudel: Here's a link to the Purr 24 album that benefits elderly cats: projektrecords.bandcamp.com...
	12:48pm still b/p: Wind is rattling the windows, and a couple hours away atop Mt. Washington a little while ago there was a gust of 161 MPH! Jack Frost RIPPING at your nose! Wildcat Ski Area, adjcacent to Washington, is closed due to high winds, but it's fun to look at webcam scene (among a few webcams on the Mt. Washington Weather Observatory site) there of fierce little snownado twirls and blizzardy blasts straight-arming the few trees. All makes you feel cozy and sheltered wherever you are.
	♥ 12:53pm Irene Trudel: ↳ TDK60 @12:37 Yes, I had Adrian on my show 3-4 times. The most recent was in 2017: www.wfmu.org...
	12:53pm Stork: Poking my nose in where it belongs! Hi Irene, and all ye 'Reners!
	♥ 12:54pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Song: "Congregate" by "Rocco DeLuca" Here's a link to that LA Fire Relief compilation I mentioned: superbloomabenefitforfirereliefinlosangeles.bandcamp.com...
	12:56pm Stork: Fröhe Jahrestag, Irene and Peter!! 💥👩‍❤️‍👨🌹
	♥ 12:56pm Irene Trudel: Hi doctorjazz, still b/p and Stork! It's been a bit windy and cold in NYC, but nothing like on Mt. Washington!
	♥ 12:57pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Stork @12:56 😻❤️❤️😻
	12:58pm BenZ WPB: Hi Irene, loving this Sarah Neufeld and co track. Scouting it out on Bandcamp
	12:59pm still b/p: Wind is the traditional gift for a couple's 29th.
	1:00pm Charles in Chicago: I'm downtown at a protest. Don't know how much difference it makes but I know how much difference sitting home doing nothing makes.
	♥ 1:02pm doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:01 Hi Andrew!
	♥ 1:02pm Irene Trudel: ↳ BenZ WPB @12:58 This is a side-project for 3 members of Arcade Fire. Lovely stuff!
	♥ 1:02pm Michael 98145: ↳ Stork @12:56 That was a nice thing to do yesterday ...
	♥ 1:03pm Irene Trudel: ↳ still b/p @12:59 There's a lot of wind in this household...
	♥ 1:03pm Dan S: ↳ Charles in Chicago @1:00 Thank you!
	1:06pm βrian: Holding my lighter up for Arvo.
	♥ 1:06pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Charles in Chicago @1:00 I'm glad! If I weren't on air, I might've considered the one in NYC that just kicked off in Union Square. thirdact.org...
	1:06pm Stork: ↳ Song: "Frates for String and Percussion" by "Arvo Pärt /... Beautiful Arvo Pärt cover!
	1:07pm Stork: ↳ Michael 98145 @1:02 Thanks, Michael 98145. Glad you were there.
	♥ 1:11pm doctorjazz: ↳ Peter K. @12:37 Solo Richard Thompson is great, of course (have seen him solo many times). He hasn't done much touring in a group recently (I believe there was one tour with a trio). Mid seeing him live, tearing it up on his electric guitar.
	1:11pm spodiodi: Greetings, Irene and all!
	♥ 1:13pm doctorjazz: Is playing a piece by a composer a "cover"? Does an orchestra cover Mozart? (Being a nit picking schmuck here, I know...)
	1:21pm Peter K.: ↳ doctorjazz @1:13 Of course it isn't.
	1:24pm Dean: When on request the bar band plays "Free Bird," they're both covering a Lynyrd Skynyrd tune and performing a composition by Collins and VanZant.
	1:25pm Stork: ↳ Peter K. @1:21 Why not? What difference does it make if you're covering the Sex Pistols or Arvo Pärt?
	♥ 1:27pm Irene Trudel: Hi there spodiodi and Dean!
	♥ 1:30pm doctorjazz: Went to see a Tribute band last night at The Falcoln, The Bobcats, doing 2 hours of Dylan material. I guess they could be classified as both Cover Band and a band playing Dylan pieces...(it was fun, they were good. I had a thing against these Tribute bands until recently, but it's fun to see music performed you likely won't see otherwise (though Dylan IS still touring). Maybe I'll catch The Band Band next (their bassist was in the Bobcats last night).
	1:32pm Dean: Then there's Robert Levin, whose recent ECM recording of Mozart's complete piano sonatas on fortepiano includes cadenzas of Levin's own composition. Levin is performing Mozart even when he is using the cadenza, as did Mozart, to show off his own compositional flair. An amazing recording, by the way.
	🥁 ♥ 1:34pm jeremyo: just bought something of Guy Klucevsek last week, now I need to buy some more!
	1:35pm TDK60: The Hungarian State Opera Orchestra is a covers band? Who knew?
	♥ 1:35pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Dean @1:32 Thanks for the tip, Dean! I'll check it out later.
	1:35pm Dean: Here's a story in the NYT about Levin's recording, including a video of non-Mozart Mozart: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/27/arts/music/robert-levin-mozart-keyboard.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xk4.lBrD.4ZRpakj9Y2zH&smid=url-share
	1:35pm Peter K.: ↳ Stork @1:25 To "cover" means to perform or record your own version of a song associated with another performer. It doesn't just mean to perform or record a song someone else wrote. One doesn't "cover" George and Ira Gershwin either.
	♥ 1:36pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Gift" by "Guy Klucevsek & Volker Goetze" Love listening to Klucevsek!(but not spelling his name)!
	♥ 1:37pm Webhamster Henry: hi there Irene - I've been listening, but also eating. Klucevsek though prompted a post.
	♥ 1:37pm Irene Trudel: ↳ jeremyo @1:34 This is a brand new album with Volker Goetze on trumpet, and features Jeff Hutchinson sax and Doug Wieselman on clarinets.
	♥ 1:40pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Gift" by "Guy Klucevsek & Volker Goetze" I bought this on Bandcamp (but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet). That's my main problem with WFMU-I hear great stuff, and buy it. But I spend so much time listening to WFMU that I don't have time to listen to the stuff it "makes" me buy...
	🥁 ♥ 1:41pm jeremyo: here's my Bandcamp tip of the day: yolkrecords.bandcamp.com... I wish I could remember who tipped me to Sylvaine Hélary's work, I don't think it was here on WFMU but it might have been (it could even have been Irene). In any case this is a really wonderful album (although the first bit of the second track is disconcertingly out of kilter with the rest of the record).
	♥ 1:42pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Ahhhhhh....Heaven!
	1:43pm Dean: Indeed, the noun "cover" is an abbreviation of the original mid-20th-century-coined term "cover version." It's pretty clear that the meaning of "cover" is anchored to a particular historical period (our own) and to the business practices that impel our cultural production and consumption.
	♥ 1:43pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Webhamster Henry @1:37 Glad you jumped in, WHenry!
	♥ 1:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Peter K. @1:35 so if one performs "summertime", learned directly form the sheet music, it's not a cover; but if they perform it having learned it via the Nina Simone version, then it's a cover.
	♥ 1:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Play it, Robbie!!!
	1:44pm TDK60: ↳ Peter K. @1:35 Peter - Hmmn. I had no inkling I'd be scratching my head today. Hee..
	♥ 1:45pm doctorjazz: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:43 But the version that comes out of the sheet music could be further from the written version than the version learned fron Nina...Unless both are a note for note transcription.
	🥁 ♥ 1:45pm jeremyo: ↳ Irene Trudel @1:37 thanks Irene! Somehow I hadn't registered him until hearing him on Rich Hazelton's show (though I know actually you've played his music before). Gonna pick up this new one now.
	♥ 1:46pm Irene Trudel: ↳ jeremyo @1:41 Thanks for the tip, jeremyo!
	♥ 1:46pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Robbie's turn!
	1:47pm Dean: I'd wager that one can't cover a song not already recorded. What's being covered is the recording--think KTEL or Kidz Bop compilations--not the music.
	1:47pm Peter K.: ↳ doctorjazz @1:45 If they do a faithful version of Nina Simone's version, then they're covering Nina Simone's version. They are not covering "Summertime."
	1:48pm Peter K.: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Garth Hudson on soprano sax AND organ. A perfect tribute!
	♥ 1:48pm doctorjazz: So, do the Byrds, when they do Mr Tambourine Man, cover Dylan? It don't sound like the Dylan version...
	1:48pm TDK60: ↳ Dean @1:47 Hi Dean - So, Tom Rush's recording of "Urge For Going" wasn't a cover? It was penned by Joni Mitchell but not recorded by her yet, as I recall.
	1:48pm βrian: Le chat ronronnant !
	♥ 1:49pm David (in London): ↳ Song: "The Next Day" by "Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam R... What an awesome collective they were. So sad that they are all good, but incredible that they were here.
	1:49pm βrian: [All cats speak french, of course.]
	♥ 1:49pm doctorjazz: ↳ TDK60 @1:48 Cover or not, that's one of the best recorded tracks IN THE UNIVERSE!!!
	1:50pm TDK60: ↳ doctorjazz @1:49 Of course, Dr.
	♥ 1:50pm David (in London): ↳ David (in London) @1:49 Er, I meant, The Band.
	♥ 1:51pm coelacanth∅: ↳ doctorjazz @1:48 but they ARE covering Dylan. in my opinion (and we are only dealing with opinions here. there is no definition.) only the first version recorded is not a cover.
	1:53pm TDK60: ↳ doctorjazz @1:49 Dr: with the great Bruce "Mr Tambourine Man" on transcendent lead guitar.
	1:54pm TDK60: ↳ TDK60 @1:53 Bruce Langhorne.
	♥ 1:54pm doctorjazz: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 Just playing with definitions (which seem to be, ahem, indefinite...), if faithfulness to the original recorded version defines a cover...
	1:54pm Dean: Better example: The Rolling Stones' version of "Wild Horses." But the fact that Yannick Nézet-Séguin conducts Orchestre Métropolitain's performance of Bruckner 3 on a 2014 recording doesn't mean that Christian Thielemann's Vienna recording seven years later is somehow a cover. Neither is working from recorded performances, but from editions of scores (a complicating factor when it comes to Bruckner).
	1:54pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @1:30 Hey Doc, I have friends that play in tribute bands; they are all very good but to be honest, there're very few venues for original bands starting out, or even a desire to hear original music by patrons. Most people just wanna relive their freaking childhood and haven't heard anything new since high school...not this group of listeners on Irene's show, as we are what I like to call a "special interest group!" In an interview on 60 Minutes last night with the fella who played Dylan in the biopic walked by Cafe Wha in NYC, and dropped a truth bomb that Dylan played there a lot in his formative years but now mostly cover bands play there...very sad. Know who else played there in the beginning of their careers? Hendrix and Mahavishnu Orchestra. Can anyone manage to play such groundbreaking and original music there, or anywhere else these days? Doubtful!
	♥ 1:57pm doctorjazz: ↳ smit @1:54 I can't argue the point-I've very rarely gone to see cover bands (and I do go out to hear live music as often as I can); The only other one I saw was the Beatles band that plays at The City Winery (but sometimes, it's useful if I'm going out with not adventurous listeners). But we DO need to support new artists, absolutely!
	2:00pm TDK60: ↳ smit @1:54 Hi Smit. Yes, Cafe Wha? appears to do a lot of house/cover bands. But, last night I attended a Dave Van Ronk tribute night. With David Massengil, Elijah Wald, Fabio Fantuzzi, others. A fine night.
	♥ 2:01pm Irene Trudel: ↳ βrian @1:48 😻
	♥ 2:01pm Irene Trudel: ↳ βrian @1:49 😹
	2:02pm Peter K.: ↳ smit @1:54 "The fella who played Dylan in the biopic"? He has a name, ya know.
	2:03pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @1:57 Yep! Out of curiosity, was the Beatles cover band The Fab Faux? I get notices from them all the time. Will Lee is in the band, but I believe they expand on the music and don't get hung up in note for not minutia.
	2:04pm Dean: I think it's a fun philosophical conundrum, what's a cover? Related, the sorites paradox. Why is Soft Machine still touring as Soft Machine? At some point didn't they become a different band altogether? If so, then why is the Chicago Symphony Orchestra still the CSO? (Hint up-thread: business practices)
	2:04pm smit: ↳ Peter K. @2:02 Yeah, but I was too lazy to look up the exact spelling...it's tricky.
	♥ 2:06pm doctorjazz: ↳ smit @2:03 No, one called Strawberry Fields (changed costumes for different Beatles periods, was fun)
	2:07pm smit: Timothee Chalamet...There ya go.
	2:07pm Peter K.: ↳ Dean @2:04 I had to Google "sorites paradox." Thanks for helping to make me smarter.
	♥ 2:08pm Alex from Media: ↳ Song: "Dança dos Martelos" by "Amaro Freitas" Ah now we see wherefore the dance of two hammers.
	♥ 2:08pm Alex from Media: Hi Irene and chat!
	2:09pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @2:06 Cool.
	♥ 2:11pm Irene Trudel: Hey there Alex!
	2:11pm Dean: I think often, and fondly, of the sorites paradox. My kids know all about it. To illustrate, I pointed to a bench at our dining table and asked, "If one of the legs is broken and I replace it with a new leg, is it the 'same' bench?" We actually had conflicting positions, but we could agree that it isn't unreasonable to deem it the "same." A month later I replace another broken leg. Still the same? Yes. Over the course of a year, I end up replacing all of the bench components, and yet it is (reasonably speaking) the same bench. Now, suppose I do the same over the course of just a weekend. Same? Obviously not! Metaphysics is fun!
	♥ 2:12pm doctorjazz: Ok, making vegetable soup while listening
	2:14pm Peter K.: ↳ Dean @2:11 To paraphrase Paul Simon, I can't get used to something sorite.
	♥ 2:15pm coelacanth∅: ↳ doctorjazz @1:54 yeah, it's just conversation. in my opinion, no - the faithfulness has nothing to do with it. the rolling stones covered Robert Johnson. i could do a version of Love in vain in the style of Johnson or the 'stones and it'd still be a cover. ...but when Johnson recorded it a 2nd time, it was not a cover, but a version.
	♥ 2:15pm Michael 98145: How could something so wrong feel sorite
	♥ 2:15pm Alex from Media: ↳ Dean @2:11 "Sorite?, Sorite!" Senor Wences.
	♥ 2:16pm Alex from Media: ↳ Alex from Media @2:15 I'll show myself out now.
	♥ 2:16pm Michael 98145: Hey, Topo
	2:17pm Dean: SoRite seems like a brand of home appliance cleaner. I think the word is Greek for grain, e.g., of sand, hence the paradox: if you remove grains of sand one at a time from a pile of sand, at what point is it no longer a pile?
	2:18pm Dean: Now don't get me started on Gettier Problems...
	♥ 2:19pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dean @2:04 i have a problem with that! it's not soft machine, as far as i'm concerned. (ink spots, another example. clearly a tribute group)
	2:22pm Dean: OK, coelacanth∅, two questions: 1) Assuming you own a car, when you change the oil, which introduces a new filter and a new supply of oil, have you just acquired a new car? (If you like, substitute bicycles and chains or tires.); 2) When did they evolve from Soft Machine to not-Soft Machine?
	2:24pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @2:22 a) depends if his name is actually theseus
	♥ 2:24pm coelacanth∅: when the last original member left
	2:26pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:11 That's the Ship of Theseus. Sorities is something else (how many grains of sand are needed to have a heap)
	♥ 2:28pm Alex from Media: @ Dean, you touch on Heraclitus here. But it really gets down to semantics. What is signified by the name. As in Heraclitus' example never stepping into the same river twice. He takes the water to be the identity of the river. But the identity is the flow of water in that location. If the band name signifies the collection of music or the writers of the music our definitions of what is happening are different.
	♥ 2:28pm coelacanth∅: ...could stretch that to include or last "classic line-up" member or last significant-to-their-legacy member...
	2:28pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:17 It means heap
	♥ 2:29pm coelacanth∅: ...but anyway like most things should be (and as most things are not) it should be considered case-by-case
	2:31pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Irene Trudel @1:06 in lieu of a sign imgur.com...
	2:31pm Dean: So Softs is the first not-Soft Machine if I'm doing this right. Ah, heap, yes, thanks. I think the sorites paradox is of a species with similar ontological puzzles.
	2:33pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:00 Oops, just saw this now, TDK60, sorry. Hope it was fun. Did any of the performers sneak any of their own tunes in that might have been inspired by DVR?
	2:34pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Alex from Media @2:28 I think it was Alfred Jarry who said that with a fast enough bicycle you could step in the same river twice
	2:35pm Dean: And Myra Melford has a doozy of a record, The Same River, Twice.
	♥ 2:36pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Charles in Chicago @2:31 Love it!
	2:36pm Stork: ↳ Dean @2:35 That's a real beaut!
	2:36pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" new to me and digdug!
	♥ 2:37pm Alex from Media: ↳ Charles in Chicago @2:34 Well there's something you can't step into twice, I thought it was a river. Heraclitus Marx
	2:37pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:35 And Jules Goncourt said you could never sleep with the same woman twice
	2:38pm Dean: Jarry was referring to the Seine River, wasn't he? Deux fois?
	2:39pm northguineahills: then there is the coastline paradox, how exactly long is a coastline and how do you measure it...(and steinhausian and mandelbrot conundrum)
	2:39pm northguineahills: ↳ Alex from Media @2:37 well, you can't step into a river of lava twice...
	2:40pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:38 I would imagine so
	♥ 2:42pm doctorjazz: My Mandelbrot connundrum-where can I get goo mandelbrot?!
	♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" ⭐️
	2:43pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" What's that ringing drone in there? It sounds like a singing bowl, or a water glass rim, or... ?
	2:44pm TDK60: ↳ smit @2:33 Smit - Sorry. My attention was elsewhere. Most possibly. I can't recall all the details right now. I do know the organizer and can ask if there's a setlist compiled from all who played..
	2:45pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Jeff Moore @2:43 Oh: I see "singing bowl" in there! auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com...
	2:47pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:44 No worries, I was just wondering.
	2:49pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Ronda" by "Anouar Brahem" new to me and ecm!
	2:50pm TDK60: ↳ smit @2:47 They definitely did some Van Ronk covers. I guess they were covers. Hee! One tune was a song that had only been written lyrics by DVR, melody added later. A song about Washington Square. That was by Dave Masengil.
	2:51pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Ronda" by "Anouar Brahem" very hamza el din
	2:52pm northguineahills: forgot to say hi irene! hi! thank yous for a great program!
	♥ 2:52pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Jeff Moore @2:45 Yes, correct guess Jeff. Duncan also includes ambient sounds from nature.
	♥ 2:52pm Irene Trudel: Yes, I hear the similarity, n.g.h.
	♥ 2:52pm Alex from Media: Thanks Irene! Very thought provoking music.
	2:54pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:50 Dig!
	♥ 2:54pm doctorjazz: Thanks Irene and posters! Great sounds, fun chat!
	♥ 2:54pm Irene Trudel: Well, my time on the stream is coming to an end. Thanks to all of you joining me and having all these spirited conversations! I'll be back next Monday at noon. Do stay streaming for Wreck Your Own Adventure with Wendy del Formaggio, up next! wfmu.org...
	♥ 2:55pm spodiodi: Thank you, Irene!
	2:55pm smit: ↳ Irene Trudel @2:54 Thanks for another great show, Irene!
	2:57pm TDK60: Gracias, DJ Irene!
	2:57pm Dean: Wendy's on the same stream? We can listen in twice?
	♥ 2:57pm WR: Thank you! Irene and folks!
	♥ 2:59pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Thank you for another wonderful show, Irene! And although we've said it on multiple platforms may we say again - Happy Anniversary to you and Peter!
	♥ 2:59pm listener james from westwood: Danke, Irene! Kindest tidings on the anniversary!
	♥ 3:00pm Irene Trudel: Thanks everybody!

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February 17, 2025: A nose for the music.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Jefferson Pitcher	A Godless Place	Now the Deer	Digitalis Industries
Adrian Crowley	The Trembling Cup "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley"	Measure of Joy	Valley of Eyes Records	0:08:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Victoria Canal	15% "15%" by "Victoria Canal"	Slowly, It Dawns	Parlophone Records	0:12:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Rocco DeLuca	Congregate "Congregate" by "Rocco DeLuca"	Super Bloom: A Benefit for Los Angeles Fire Relief	Super Bloom	0:16:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Didier Lockwood	Tenderly Yours "Tenderly Yours" by "Didier Lockwood"	Didier Lockwood Group	Gramavision Records	0:20:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Rob Noyes	Absolutely Still "Absolutely Still" by "Rob Noyes"	Arc Minutes	VDSQ	0:25:11 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Richard Thompson	Widow's Walk "Widow's Walk" by "Richard Thompson"	Serpent's Tears		0:28:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam Rosenthal	The Next Day	Purr 24	Projekt Records	0:33:57 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Black Tape for a Blue Girl	With My Sorrows	Remnants of a deeper purity	Projekt Records	0:42:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sarah Neufeld- Richard Reed Parry- Rebecca Foon	Clouding Clouds	First Sounds	Envision Records	0:49:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Aarktica	In Sea "In Sea" by "Aarktica"	In Sea	Silber	1:00:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Arvo Pärt / Hungarian State Opera Orchestra	Frates for String and Percussion	Silenium	Mississippi Records	1:04:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam Rosenthal	The Next Day	Purr 24	Projekt Records	1:13:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
David Darling	Jessica's Sunwheel "Jessica's Sunwheel" by "David Darling"	Cycles	ECM	1:20:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sam Amidon	Golden Willow Tree "Golden Willow Tree" by "Sam Amidon"	Salt River	River Lea Recordings	1:25:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Guy Klucevsek & Volker Goetze	The Gift	Little Big Top	Motema	1:33:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Particle Kid	Otherside "Otherside" by "Particle Kid"	Super Bloom: A Benefit for Los Angeles Fire Relief	Super Bloom	1:38:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Band	It Makes No Difference "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band"	Northern Lights-Southern Cross	Capitol Records	1:41:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam Rosenthal	The Next Day	Purr 24	Projekt Records	1:48:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Oren Ambarchi, Johan Berthling, and Andreas Werliin	tre	Ghosted II	Drag City	1:54:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Amaro Freitas	Dança dos Martelos	Y’Y	Psychic Hotline	2:02:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Don Cherry	Koye "Koye" by "Don Cherry"	Om Shanti Om	Black Sweat Records	2:10:42 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Brigitte Fontaine and Areski Belkacem	Je Suis Venu Te Voir	Vous et Nous	Kythibong Records	2:16:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Caetano Veloso	Circuladô De Fulô	Circuladô	PolyGram	2:20:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lionel Loueke, Dave Holland	Transit	United	Edition Records	2:23:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam Rosenthal	The Next Day	Purr 24	Projekt Records	2:28:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Duncan Park	Morning at Van Reenen	Canticles of the Sourveld		2:33:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wolfgang Muthspiel	Etude Nr. 6 Triplets	Etudes / Quietudes		2:45:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Anouar Brahem	Ronda "Ronda" by "Anouar Brahem"	Barzakh	ECM	2:48:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Rahim AlHaj Trio	Time to Have Fun	One Sky	Smithsonian Folkways Recordings	2:50:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Tamarack Stylites	Craigie Hill	The Tamarack Stylites		2:54:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Irene speaks!	"Irene speaks!"			2:58:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 11:53am Sean in Bristol UK: Good afternoon Irene, hello one and all
	11:58am smit: Hello all, and once again, Happy Anniversary Irene and Peter!
	♥ 11:59am Sean in Bristol UK: Happy anniversary to you both
	♥ 11:59am listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Irene and all!
	♥ 11:59am Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ smit @11:58 Hey smit
	12:00pm TDK60: Hello Irene. It's been a few weeks since I visited.
	12:01pm smit: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @11:59 Hey Sean!
	♥ 12:01pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ TDK60 @12:00 Salut TDK60
	♥ 12:01pm Irene Trudel: Welcome Sean, smit, james, TDK60, and all listening in today. Thanks for the anniversary wishes (Peter and I celebrated 29 wedded years as of yesterday).
	♥ 12:01pm Andrew in Toronto: Good afternoon, Irene, and all other listeners!
	♥ 12:02pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @11:59 Hi, Sean!
	♥ 12:02pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @12:00 Hi there, TDK60!
	12:03pm Sylvia: Hello Irene and everyone
	♥ 12:03pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:02 Hey Andrew
	♥ 12:03pm Irene Trudel: Greetings Andrew and Sylvia!
	♥ 12:04pm David (in London): Afternoon Irene and assembled Trudelians: Sean, smit, James, Teeds, Andrew, Sylvia.
	♥ 12:04pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Sylvia @12:03 Bonsoir Sylvia
	♥ 12:04pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Greetings David
	♥ 12:04pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Greetings, David!
	12:05pm Peter K.: ↳ Irene Trudel @12:01 Everybody loves Irene, but I'm the lucky one who gets to live with her!
	♥ 12:07pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Peter K. @12:05 ❤️❤️😻😻❤️❤️
	♥ 12:07pm Irene Trudel: Afternoon to you, David!
	♥ 12:08pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Good morning-ish, Irene!
	12:09pm smit: ↳ Song: "A Godless Place" by "Jefferson Pitcher" Really like the intimacy of this track!
	♥ 12:10pm Sean in Bristol UK: ↳ Summer and Michael and Sylvia @12:08 What’s up, S, M & S
	12:10pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" Adrian C. Always interesting. I think I first found about him here, Irene. 2003? Hee.
	12:11pm TDK60: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @12:01 Hiya, Sean out west there!
	♥ 12:11pm Irene Trudel: G'day David and S&M&S
	12:11pm TDK60: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:02 Hiya, Andrew up by that lake!
	12:12pm βrian: Rolling in late, with an embarrassed grin.
	12:13pm TDK60: ↳ David (in London) @12:04 Ahoy, David across some pond.
	♥ 12:13pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: ↳ Sean in Bristol UK @12:10 Hi, Sean!
	♥ 12:15pm Irene Trudel: Better late than never, βrian!
	♥ 12:24pm Dan S: Hi Irene, fellow listeners. I've been listening since the start of the show. Been a bit busy to post, and have to leave soon, but I'm enjoying what I hear.
	♥ 12:25pm Dan S: ↳ Dan S @12:24 'Soon' meaning a bit after 1 PM.
	♥ 12:26pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Dan S @12:24 Glad you're able to enjoy this for a little while, Dan!
	♥ 12:26pm WR: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" Hello Irene and folks. Today's new-to-me surprise is Adrian Crowley. Immediate impact is who is this person sounding like Leonard Cohen and now I'm just started down the rabbit hole of Crowley's work. Thank you, Irene.
	♥ 12:28pm coelacanth∅: Greetings Irene and all
	♥ 12:28pm WR: ↳ Peter K. @12:05 Happy anniversary! Peter and Irene!
	♥ 12:28pm Michael 98145: ↳ WR @12:28 WHoa, yes! Hellos, Friends.
	♥ 12:28pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ coelacanth∅ @12:28 Mahalo, coel!
	♥ 12:29pm Irene Trudel: ↳ WR @12:26 Oh my goodness, WR! There's a lot to catch up on with Adrian. And thanks for the Anniversary wishes!
	♥ 12:29pm coelacanth∅: really? okay! Happy anniversary Irene and Peter!
	♥ 12:30pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:28 olá Andrew!
	♥ 12:30pm Irene Trudel: Thanks Michael and coelacanth!
	12:31pm Sylvia: joyeux anniversaire Irene and Peter
	♥ 12:31pm Dan S: ↳ Song: "Widow's Walk" by "Richard Thompson" Mellower than usual for Richard Thompson. Beautiful.
	🥁 ♥ 12:31pm jeremyo: Hooray, I made it for a live show rather than catch-up! Hello all, and happy anniversary I&P
	♥ 12:32pm Irene Trudel: Hooray jeremayo!
	♥ 12:33pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Sylvia @12:31 ❤️
	♥ 12:33pm Dan S: And Happy Anniversary, Irene & Peter!
	♥ 12:34pm doctorjazz: Hi Irene, Monday Streamers!
	♥ 12:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ WR @12:26 i was surprised a few minutes ago reading Adrien's wikipedia page, seeing references to FIVE other artists and no mention of Leonard Cohen -that track bearing more than merely an influence!
	♥ 12:36pm Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @12:34 Hi, doc!
	12:37pm TDK60: ↳ Song: "The Trembling Cup" by "Adrian Crowley" I think Irene had Adrian as guest way back in '03 or so. See the vaults. That was my intro.
	12:37pm Peter K.: The Richard Thompson show at White Eagle Hall is solo acoustic. Highly recommended, of course.
	♥ 12:43pm listener james from westwood: Black Tape!
	♥ 12:46pm Irene Trudel: Here's a link to the Purr 24 album that benefits elderly cats: projektrecords.bandcamp.com...
	12:48pm still b/p: Wind is rattling the windows, and a couple hours away atop Mt. Washington a little while ago there was a gust of 161 MPH! Jack Frost RIPPING at your nose! Wildcat Ski Area, adjcacent to Washington, is closed due to high winds, but it's fun to look at webcam scene (among a few webcams on the Mt. Washington Weather Observatory site) there of fierce little snownado twirls and blizzardy blasts straight-arming the few trees. All makes you feel cozy and sheltered wherever you are.
	♥ 12:53pm Irene Trudel: ↳ TDK60 @12:37 Yes, I had Adrian on my show 3-4 times. The most recent was in 2017: www.wfmu.org...
	12:53pm Stork: Poking my nose in where it belongs! Hi Irene, and all ye 'Reners!
	♥ 12:54pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Song: "Congregate" by "Rocco DeLuca" Here's a link to that LA Fire Relief compilation I mentioned: superbloomabenefitforfirereliefinlosangeles.bandcamp.com...
	12:56pm Stork: Fröhe Jahrestag, Irene and Peter!! 💥👩‍❤️‍👨🌹
	♥ 12:56pm Irene Trudel: Hi doctorjazz, still b/p and Stork! It's been a bit windy and cold in NYC, but nothing like on Mt. Washington!
	♥ 12:57pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Stork @12:56 😻❤️❤️😻
	12:58pm BenZ WPB: Hi Irene, loving this Sarah Neufeld and co track. Scouting it out on Bandcamp
	12:59pm still b/p: Wind is the traditional gift for a couple's 29th.
	1:00pm Charles in Chicago: I'm downtown at a protest. Don't know how much difference it makes but I know how much difference sitting home doing nothing makes.
	♥ 1:02pm doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @12:01 Hi Andrew!
	♥ 1:02pm Irene Trudel: ↳ BenZ WPB @12:58 This is a side-project for 3 members of Arcade Fire. Lovely stuff!
	♥ 1:02pm Michael 98145: ↳ Stork @12:56 That was a nice thing to do yesterday ...
	♥ 1:03pm Irene Trudel: ↳ still b/p @12:59 There's a lot of wind in this household...
	♥ 1:03pm Dan S: ↳ Charles in Chicago @1:00 Thank you!
	1:06pm βrian: Holding my lighter up for Arvo.
	♥ 1:06pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Charles in Chicago @1:00 I'm glad! If I weren't on air, I might've considered the one in NYC that just kicked off in Union Square. thirdact.org...
	1:06pm Stork: ↳ Song: "Frates for String and Percussion" by "Arvo Pärt /... Beautiful Arvo Pärt cover!
	1:07pm Stork: ↳ Michael 98145 @1:02 Thanks, Michael 98145. Glad you were there.
	♥ 1:11pm doctorjazz: ↳ Peter K. @12:37 Solo Richard Thompson is great, of course (have seen him solo many times). He hasn't done much touring in a group recently (I believe there was one tour with a trio). Mid seeing him live, tearing it up on his electric guitar.
	1:11pm spodiodi: Greetings, Irene and all!
	♥ 1:13pm doctorjazz: Is playing a piece by a composer a "cover"? Does an orchestra cover Mozart? (Being a nit picking schmuck here, I know...)
	1:21pm Peter K.: ↳ doctorjazz @1:13 Of course it isn't.
	1:24pm Dean: When on request the bar band plays "Free Bird," they're both covering a Lynyrd Skynyrd tune and performing a composition by Collins and VanZant.
	1:25pm Stork: ↳ Peter K. @1:21 Why not? What difference does it make if you're covering the Sex Pistols or Arvo Pärt?
	♥ 1:27pm Irene Trudel: Hi there spodiodi and Dean!
	♥ 1:30pm doctorjazz: Went to see a Tribute band last night at The Falcoln, The Bobcats, doing 2 hours of Dylan material. I guess they could be classified as both Cover Band and a band playing Dylan pieces...(it was fun, they were good. I had a thing against these Tribute bands until recently, but it's fun to see music performed you likely won't see otherwise (though Dylan IS still touring). Maybe I'll catch The Band Band next (their bassist was in the Bobcats last night).
	1:32pm Dean: Then there's Robert Levin, whose recent ECM recording of Mozart's complete piano sonatas on fortepiano includes cadenzas of Levin's own composition. Levin is performing Mozart even when he is using the cadenza, as did Mozart, to show off his own compositional flair. An amazing recording, by the way.
	🥁 ♥ 1:34pm jeremyo: just bought something of Guy Klucevsek last week, now I need to buy some more!
	1:35pm TDK60: The Hungarian State Opera Orchestra is a covers band? Who knew?
	♥ 1:35pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Dean @1:32 Thanks for the tip, Dean! I'll check it out later.
	1:35pm Dean: Here's a story in the NYT about Levin's recording, including a video of non-Mozart Mozart: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/27/arts/music/robert-levin-mozart-keyboard.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xk4.lBrD.4ZRpakj9Y2zH&smid=url-share
	1:35pm Peter K.: ↳ Stork @1:25 To "cover" means to perform or record your own version of a song associated with another performer. It doesn't just mean to perform or record a song someone else wrote. One doesn't "cover" George and Ira Gershwin either.
	♥ 1:36pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Gift" by "Guy Klucevsek & Volker Goetze" Love listening to Klucevsek!(but not spelling his name)!
	♥ 1:37pm Webhamster Henry: hi there Irene - I've been listening, but also eating. Klucevsek though prompted a post.
	♥ 1:37pm Irene Trudel: ↳ jeremyo @1:34 This is a brand new album with Volker Goetze on trumpet, and features Jeff Hutchinson sax and Doug Wieselman on clarinets.
	♥ 1:40pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "The Gift" by "Guy Klucevsek & Volker Goetze" I bought this on Bandcamp (but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet). That's my main problem with WFMU-I hear great stuff, and buy it. But I spend so much time listening to WFMU that I don't have time to listen to the stuff it "makes" me buy...
	🥁 ♥ 1:41pm jeremyo: here's my Bandcamp tip of the day: yolkrecords.bandcamp.com... I wish I could remember who tipped me to Sylvaine Hélary's work, I don't think it was here on WFMU but it might have been (it could even have been Irene). In any case this is a really wonderful album (although the first bit of the second track is disconcertingly out of kilter with the rest of the record).
	♥ 1:42pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Ahhhhhh....Heaven!
	1:43pm Dean: Indeed, the noun "cover" is an abbreviation of the original mid-20th-century-coined term "cover version." It's pretty clear that the meaning of "cover" is anchored to a particular historical period (our own) and to the business practices that impel our cultural production and consumption.
	♥ 1:43pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Webhamster Henry @1:37 Glad you jumped in, WHenry!
	♥ 1:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Peter K. @1:35 so if one performs "summertime", learned directly form the sheet music, it's not a cover; but if they perform it having learned it via the Nina Simone version, then it's a cover.
	♥ 1:44pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Play it, Robbie!!!
	1:44pm TDK60: ↳ Peter K. @1:35 Peter - Hmmn. I had no inkling I'd be scratching my head today. Hee..
	♥ 1:45pm doctorjazz: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:43 But the version that comes out of the sheet music could be further from the written version than the version learned fron Nina...Unless both are a note for note transcription.
	🥁 ♥ 1:45pm jeremyo: ↳ Irene Trudel @1:37 thanks Irene! Somehow I hadn't registered him until hearing him on Rich Hazelton's show (though I know actually you've played his music before). Gonna pick up this new one now.
	♥ 1:46pm Irene Trudel: ↳ jeremyo @1:41 Thanks for the tip, jeremyo!
	♥ 1:46pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Robbie's turn!
	1:47pm Dean: I'd wager that one can't cover a song not already recorded. What's being covered is the recording--think KTEL or Kidz Bop compilations--not the music.
	1:47pm Peter K.: ↳ doctorjazz @1:45 If they do a faithful version of Nina Simone's version, then they're covering Nina Simone's version. They are not covering "Summertime."
	1:48pm Peter K.: ↳ Song: "It Makes No Difference" by "The Band" Garth Hudson on soprano sax AND organ. A perfect tribute!
	♥ 1:48pm doctorjazz: So, do the Byrds, when they do Mr Tambourine Man, cover Dylan? It don't sound like the Dylan version...
	1:48pm TDK60: ↳ Dean @1:47 Hi Dean - So, Tom Rush's recording of "Urge For Going" wasn't a cover? It was penned by Joni Mitchell but not recorded by her yet, as I recall.
	1:48pm βrian: Le chat ronronnant !
	♥ 1:49pm David (in London): ↳ Song: "The Next Day" by "Nova Cat Purring Sounds / Sam R... What an awesome collective they were. So sad that they are all good, but incredible that they were here.
	1:49pm βrian: [All cats speak french, of course.]
	♥ 1:49pm doctorjazz: ↳ TDK60 @1:48 Cover or not, that's one of the best recorded tracks IN THE UNIVERSE!!!
	1:50pm TDK60: ↳ doctorjazz @1:49 Of course, Dr.
	♥ 1:50pm David (in London): ↳ David (in London) @1:49 Er, I meant, The Band.
	♥ 1:51pm coelacanth∅: ↳ doctorjazz @1:48 but they ARE covering Dylan. in my opinion (and we are only dealing with opinions here. there is no definition.) only the first version recorded is not a cover.
	1:53pm TDK60: ↳ doctorjazz @1:49 Dr: with the great Bruce "Mr Tambourine Man" on transcendent lead guitar.
	1:54pm TDK60: ↳ TDK60 @1:53 Bruce Langhorne.
	♥ 1:54pm doctorjazz: ↳ coelacanth∅ @1:51 Just playing with definitions (which seem to be, ahem, indefinite...), if faithfulness to the original recorded version defines a cover...
	1:54pm Dean: Better example: The Rolling Stones' version of "Wild Horses." But the fact that Yannick Nézet-Séguin conducts Orchestre Métropolitain's performance of Bruckner 3 on a 2014 recording doesn't mean that Christian Thielemann's Vienna recording seven years later is somehow a cover. Neither is working from recorded performances, but from editions of scores (a complicating factor when it comes to Bruckner).
	1:54pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @1:30 Hey Doc, I have friends that play in tribute bands; they are all very good but to be honest, there're very few venues for original bands starting out, or even a desire to hear original music by patrons. Most people just wanna relive their freaking childhood and haven't heard anything new since high school...not this group of listeners on Irene's show, as we are what I like to call a "special interest group!" In an interview on 60 Minutes last night with the fella who played Dylan in the biopic walked by Cafe Wha in NYC, and dropped a truth bomb that Dylan played there a lot in his formative years but now mostly cover bands play there...very sad. Know who else played there in the beginning of their careers? Hendrix and Mahavishnu Orchestra. Can anyone manage to play such groundbreaking and original music there, or anywhere else these days? Doubtful!
	♥ 1:57pm doctorjazz: ↳ smit @1:54 I can't argue the point-I've very rarely gone to see cover bands (and I do go out to hear live music as often as I can); The only other one I saw was the Beatles band that plays at The City Winery (but sometimes, it's useful if I'm going out with not adventurous listeners). But we DO need to support new artists, absolutely!
	2:00pm TDK60: ↳ smit @1:54 Hi Smit. Yes, Cafe Wha? appears to do a lot of house/cover bands. But, last night I attended a Dave Van Ronk tribute night. With David Massengil, Elijah Wald, Fabio Fantuzzi, others. A fine night.
	♥ 2:01pm Irene Trudel: ↳ βrian @1:48 😻
	♥ 2:01pm Irene Trudel: ↳ βrian @1:49 😹
	2:02pm Peter K.: ↳ smit @1:54 "The fella who played Dylan in the biopic"? He has a name, ya know.
	2:03pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @1:57 Yep! Out of curiosity, was the Beatles cover band The Fab Faux? I get notices from them all the time. Will Lee is in the band, but I believe they expand on the music and don't get hung up in note for not minutia.
	2:04pm Dean: I think it's a fun philosophical conundrum, what's a cover? Related, the sorites paradox. Why is Soft Machine still touring as Soft Machine? At some point didn't they become a different band altogether? If so, then why is the Chicago Symphony Orchestra still the CSO? (Hint up-thread: business practices)
	2:04pm smit: ↳ Peter K. @2:02 Yeah, but I was too lazy to look up the exact spelling...it's tricky.
	♥ 2:06pm doctorjazz: ↳ smit @2:03 No, one called Strawberry Fields (changed costumes for different Beatles periods, was fun)
	2:07pm smit: Timothee Chalamet...There ya go.
	2:07pm Peter K.: ↳ Dean @2:04 I had to Google "sorites paradox." Thanks for helping to make me smarter.
	♥ 2:08pm Alex from Media: ↳ Song: "Dança dos Martelos" by "Amaro Freitas" Ah now we see wherefore the dance of two hammers.
	♥ 2:08pm Alex from Media: Hi Irene and chat!
	2:09pm smit: ↳ doctorjazz @2:06 Cool.
	♥ 2:11pm Irene Trudel: Hey there Alex!
	2:11pm Dean: I think often, and fondly, of the sorites paradox. My kids know all about it. To illustrate, I pointed to a bench at our dining table and asked, "If one of the legs is broken and I replace it with a new leg, is it the 'same' bench?" We actually had conflicting positions, but we could agree that it isn't unreasonable to deem it the "same." A month later I replace another broken leg. Still the same? Yes. Over the course of a year, I end up replacing all of the bench components, and yet it is (reasonably speaking) the same bench. Now, suppose I do the same over the course of just a weekend. Same? Obviously not! Metaphysics is fun!
	♥ 2:12pm doctorjazz: Ok, making vegetable soup while listening
	2:14pm Peter K.: ↳ Dean @2:11 To paraphrase Paul Simon, I can't get used to something sorite.
	♥ 2:15pm coelacanth∅: ↳ doctorjazz @1:54 yeah, it's just conversation. in my opinion, no - the faithfulness has nothing to do with it. the rolling stones covered Robert Johnson. i could do a version of Love in vain in the style of Johnson or the 'stones and it'd still be a cover. ...but when Johnson recorded it a 2nd time, it was not a cover, but a version.
	♥ 2:15pm Michael 98145: How could something so wrong feel sorite
	♥ 2:15pm Alex from Media: ↳ Dean @2:11 "Sorite?, Sorite!" Senor Wences.
	♥ 2:16pm Alex from Media: ↳ Alex from Media @2:15 I'll show myself out now.
	♥ 2:16pm Michael 98145: Hey, Topo
	2:17pm Dean: SoRite seems like a brand of home appliance cleaner. I think the word is Greek for grain, e.g., of sand, hence the paradox: if you remove grains of sand one at a time from a pile of sand, at what point is it no longer a pile?
	2:18pm Dean: Now don't get me started on Gettier Problems...
	♥ 2:19pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dean @2:04 i have a problem with that! it's not soft machine, as far as i'm concerned. (ink spots, another example. clearly a tribute group)
	2:22pm Dean: OK, coelacanth∅, two questions: 1) Assuming you own a car, when you change the oil, which introduces a new filter and a new supply of oil, have you just acquired a new car? (If you like, substitute bicycles and chains or tires.); 2) When did they evolve from Soft Machine to not-Soft Machine?
	2:24pm northguineahills: ↳ Dean @2:22 a) depends if his name is actually theseus
	♥ 2:24pm coelacanth∅: when the last original member left
	2:26pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:11 That's the Ship of Theseus. Sorities is something else (how many grains of sand are needed to have a heap)
	♥ 2:28pm Alex from Media: @ Dean, you touch on Heraclitus here. But it really gets down to semantics. What is signified by the name. As in Heraclitus' example never stepping into the same river twice. He takes the water to be the identity of the river. But the identity is the flow of water in that location. If the band name signifies the collection of music or the writers of the music our definitions of what is happening are different.
	♥ 2:28pm coelacanth∅: ...could stretch that to include or last "classic line-up" member or last significant-to-their-legacy member...
	2:28pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:17 It means heap
	♥ 2:29pm coelacanth∅: ...but anyway like most things should be (and as most things are not) it should be considered case-by-case
	2:31pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Irene Trudel @1:06 in lieu of a sign imgur.com...
	2:31pm Dean: So Softs is the first not-Soft Machine if I'm doing this right. Ah, heap, yes, thanks. I think the sorites paradox is of a species with similar ontological puzzles.
	2:33pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:00 Oops, just saw this now, TDK60, sorry. Hope it was fun. Did any of the performers sneak any of their own tunes in that might have been inspired by DVR?
	2:34pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Alex from Media @2:28 I think it was Alfred Jarry who said that with a fast enough bicycle you could step in the same river twice
	2:35pm Dean: And Myra Melford has a doozy of a record, The Same River, Twice.
	♥ 2:36pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Charles in Chicago @2:31 Love it!
	2:36pm Stork: ↳ Dean @2:35 That's a real beaut!
	2:36pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" new to me and digdug!
	♥ 2:37pm Alex from Media: ↳ Charles in Chicago @2:34 Well there's something you can't step into twice, I thought it was a river. Heraclitus Marx
	2:37pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:35 And Jules Goncourt said you could never sleep with the same woman twice
	2:38pm Dean: Jarry was referring to the Seine River, wasn't he? Deux fois?
	2:39pm northguineahills: then there is the coastline paradox, how exactly long is a coastline and how do you measure it...(and steinhausian and mandelbrot conundrum)
	2:39pm northguineahills: ↳ Alex from Media @2:37 well, you can't step into a river of lava twice...
	2:40pm Charles in Chicago: ↳ Dean @2:38 I would imagine so
	♥ 2:42pm doctorjazz: My Mandelbrot connundrum-where can I get goo mandelbrot?!
	♥ 2:43pm spodiodi: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" ⭐️
	2:43pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Song: "Morning at Van Reenen" by "Duncan Park" What's that ringing drone in there? It sounds like a singing bowl, or a water glass rim, or... ?
	2:44pm TDK60: ↳ smit @2:33 Smit - Sorry. My attention was elsewhere. Most possibly. I can't recall all the details right now. I do know the organizer and can ask if there's a setlist compiled from all who played..
	2:45pm Jeff Moore: ↳ Jeff Moore @2:43 Oh: I see "singing bowl" in there! auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com...
	2:47pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:44 No worries, I was just wondering.
	2:49pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Ronda" by "Anouar Brahem" new to me and ecm!
	2:50pm TDK60: ↳ smit @2:47 They definitely did some Van Ronk covers. I guess they were covers. Hee! One tune was a song that had only been written lyrics by DVR, melody added later. A song about Washington Square. That was by Dave Masengil.
	2:51pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Ronda" by "Anouar Brahem" very hamza el din
	2:52pm northguineahills: forgot to say hi irene! hi! thank yous for a great program!
	♥ 2:52pm Irene Trudel: ↳ Jeff Moore @2:45 Yes, correct guess Jeff. Duncan also includes ambient sounds from nature.
	♥ 2:52pm Irene Trudel: Yes, I hear the similarity, n.g.h.
	♥ 2:52pm Alex from Media: Thanks Irene! Very thought provoking music.
	2:54pm smit: ↳ TDK60 @2:50 Dig!
	♥ 2:54pm doctorjazz: Thanks Irene and posters! Great sounds, fun chat!
	♥ 2:54pm Irene Trudel: Well, my time on the stream is coming to an end. Thanks to all of you joining me and having all these spirited conversations! I'll be back next Monday at noon. Do stay streaming for Wreck Your Own Adventure with Wendy del Formaggio, up next! wfmu.org...
	♥ 2:55pm spodiodi: Thank you, Irene!
	2:55pm smit: ↳ Irene Trudel @2:54 Thanks for another great show, Irene!
	2:57pm TDK60: Gracias, DJ Irene!
	2:57pm Dean: Wendy's on the same stream? We can listen in twice?
	♥ 2:57pm WR: Thank you! Irene and folks!
	♥ 2:59pm Summer and Michael and Sylvia: Thank you for another wonderful show, Irene! And although we've said it on multiple platforms may we say again - Happy Anniversary to you and Peter!
	♥ 2:59pm listener james from westwood: Danke, Irene! Kindest tidings on the anniversary!
	♥ 3:00pm Irene Trudel: Thanks everybody!

Irene Trudel: Playlist from February 17, 2025

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